Re: DBZ more powerful than you think...
Originally posted by kbclassof09
I read the entire dragonball manga and I noticed that dbz is a very powerful verse... more powerful than people think they are... Im gonna show proof of their strength (obviously more than 40 tons) speed, durability, and energy (high tier-solar system+ buster). I'll list some but not all of their best feats. Will use manga only.Strength
Kid Goku lift and throw 1 ton car at power level 10.
Kid Goku lifts 2 ton rock, throws it in the air, and shatters it with one punch.
Kid Goku pushes 10 ton rock with ease. rock's diameter is greater than the length of master roshi's body who is at least 5 ft tall.
Kid Goku and Krillin push 600 ton rock. Rock dimensions 20 ft high 20 ft long 20 ft wide. multiply all dimensions x 150 lb (which is average weight of rock per cubic foot) 20x20x20x150= 600 tons.
Tao pai pai with pl less than 200 hurls half ton pillar at least at the speed of sound over 2300 km ( must be the equivalent of lifting at least 500 tons overhead).
Goku throws giant piccolo. Giant piccolo obviously weighs more than 40 tons.
Goku kicks frieza through 2 islands.
Speed
Master roshi and krillin moving so fast during battle that no one can see them.
Roshi easily dodges bullets
Saiyan Saga Goku crosses snake way in 2 days and snake way's road is 1,000,000 km. mach 17 at least.
Base Goku escapes frieza's energy ball before it explodes.
Durability
Kid Goku is resists against lightning and lightning is hotter than the surface of the sun.
Goku tanks piccolo island busting blast (though he amped his body up with ki).
Frieza survives planet namek's explosion. Note: he tanks a planet's explosion not a planet busting attack. Planet busting attack > planet exploding on its own.
Energy
Master Roshi destroys moon at power level 139.
Piccolo destroys moon with casual ki blast at power level 300+.
Saiyan Saga vegeta threatens to destroy earth. This only proven via power scaling. moon is 1/80 the mass of the earth, and roshi destroys moon. vegeta at pl 18000 is almost 130 times more powerful than roshi.
Frieza saga vegeta after last powerup almost destroyed namek but frieza kicks the attack into space.
Base form frieza destroys planet vegeta a planet 10 times bigger than earth.
70 percent frieza tries to destroy namek. Note: he would have destroyed the planet completely but he stated held back too much energy (so he does not have to disrupt the core to destroy a planet) Think im wrong... look at how much energy frieza used to destroy the planet an energy blast the size of a beach ball if he would have made it twice as big planet namek would have exploded on impact.
Semi-perfect cell destroy king kai planet. king kai planet is 10 times more dense than earth. 10 times more dense equals 10 times the mass.
King Cold and Frieza state how easy it would be for them to destroy an earth sized planet.
Only an idiot actually takes the 40 ton feat seriously, was an inconsistency, the feats you named are all well-known and very much accepted to be within Goku's capabilities... Although some of your information is kind of sketchy.
First I would like to point out that PL does not really mean anything beyond who can beat who like your post seems to imply it does, someone with a PL of 1,000 for instance cannot necessarily lift twice as much or is twice as fast as someone with a PL of 500.
"Kid Goku and Krillin push 600 ton rock. Rock dimensions 20 ft high 20 ft long 20 ft wide. multiply all dimensions x 150 lb (which is average weight of rock per cubic foot) 20x20x20x150= 600 tons."
The problem with this is that you assume that all rocks weigh the same amount, do you know what kind of rock this was? Also, scans would be nice, cannot recall the rock.
"Kid Goku is resists against lightning and lightning is hotter than the surface of the sun."
This is not really a big deal... Most people who are struck by lightning live due to damping, our bodies are naturally good conductors, and Saiyan bodies are pretty human in most regards. and the same is likely true. Also, lightning strikes last for much less than a second... So yeah. It is not the same as actually being even near the sun.
"Frieza survives planet namek's explosion. Note: he tanks a planet's explosion not a planet busting attack. Planet busting attack > planet exploding on its own."
One must note that the only reason Freeza survived was because of his unique biology, he was torn to pieces but survived because he can essentially survive any wound short of complete annihilation.
"Piccolo destroys moon with casual ki blast at power level 300+."
It was not a casual blast, it was the Masenko.
"Saiyan Saga vegeta threatens to destroy earth. This only proven via power scaling. moon is 1/80 the mass of the earth, and roshi destroys moon. vegeta at pl 18000 is almost 130 times more powerful than roshi."
Once again, PL does not correlate with destruction. Also, the numbers have been posted, it would require more than 1,800 times the energy required to destroy the moon to destroy Earth if I recall correctly.
"Base form frieza destroys planet vegeta a planet 10 times bigger than earth."
Was it base form in the manga, cannot recall?
"70 percent frieza tries to destroy namek. Note: he would have destroyed the planet completely but he stated held back too much energy (so he does not have to disrupt the core to destroy a planet) Think im wrong... look at how much energy frieza used to destroy the planet an energy blast the size of a beach ball if he would have made it twice as big planet namek would have exploded on impact."
The only real problem I see with this is that it assumes blast size always correlates with power, while this was the case with Kid Buu, who did not exercise any control over his power and was just a raging chaotic monster, Freeza was able to exercise a great deal of control over his powers.
"Semi-perfect cell destroy king kai planet. king kai planet is 10 times more dense than earth. 10 times more dense equals 10 times the mass."
Denser? It has ten times the gravity, when was it stated to be ten times as dense? And the reason for its gravity certainly was not its mass, the planet is smaller than some homes.
Other than that, post was not bad.