Originally posted by Nephthys
Are you talking about the scene where he fights Virgil? Becuase he wasn't repelling those drops, he was just moving so fast they appeared frozen in time. And his sword was still a mere blur.
He and Vergil fought several times and the time I'm talkin' about, he and Vergil started slashing at each other so fast they became surrounded in a sphere of sword swipes and were completely dry. When they stopped, they got drenched in rain.
Originally posted by dw6xlits just common sense, ichigo could not cut kenpachi because of his spirit energy, and now ichigo has a LOT more spirit energy now than kenpachi has. i dont think you understand how the power works in bleach, many MANY times when someone is fighting someone stronger than them the stronger opponent grabs the sword with their bare hands, including ichigo. when he fought Ulquiorra ichigo caught his lance that explodes large enough to easily destroy a city in his bare hand.
ichigo's skin is too is too hard to cut?? are you serious?? lol show me where it states that ichigo's skin is harder than steel bcuz dante easily cuts through steel like nothin so he wont have NO problem cutting ichigo..smh..and tanking heavy attacks to his body is in noway proving he can take being shot in the head with demon power infused bullets...thats like saying just because he can take getting stabbed 100 times in his stomach and live he can survive gettin stabbed through his head multiple times....bad logic
are you kidding me? that is not what i meant at all, i meant that the force of the spikes hitting his back is much stronger than that of a bullet, EVEN a demon power fused bullet. and the force of the these spikes did not kill him or even pierce a lung or his heart or anything like that and there were 5 of them, so my point was just that he has over all enough duribility to stop dantes attacks
Originally posted by menokokoro
its just common sense, ichigo could not cut kenpachi because of his spirit energy, and now ichigo has a LOT more spirit energy now than kenpachi has. i dont think you understand how the power works in bleach, many MANY times when someone is fighting someone stronger than them the stronger opponent grabs the sword with their bare hands, including ichigo. when he fought Ulquiorra ichigo caught his lance that explodes large enough to easily destroy a city in his bare hand.are you kidding me? that is not what i meant at all, i meant that the force of the spikes hitting his back is much stronger than that of a bullet, EVEN a demon power fused bullet. and the force of the these spikes did not kill him or even pierce a lung or his heart or anything like that and there were 5 of them, so my point was just that he has over all enough duribility to stop dantes attacks
smh so like i said your saying ichigo's skin is harder than steel now huh?? prove that his skin is too hard for someone who cuts steel easily to cut...also that was h2 ichigo who caught ulquiorra's attack not bankai ichigo which i already stated beats dante...and those spikes uses blunt force similar to a punch and bullets uses piercing force....its a big difference in blunt force and piercing....like i said you cant prove ichigo can take being shot in the head nor being shot period
Ichigo wouldn't be able to take a bullet to the face; however, he's fast enough to block every single one that gets shot at him. Byakuya's petals are much faster than a bullet shot by Dante's gun and Ichigo effortless swatted thousands of them away... and did this while at a much lower level then he would be in this fight.
Also, Ichigo's skin isn't harder than steel, none of the bleach characters have hard skin... they have an aura around their skin and that is indeed harder than steel. As far as i know, the arrancar and Kenpachi are the only ones who have the "steel hard skin", Ichigo has yet to demonstrate this in his shinigami form but i would most assuredly bet that he has it in his hollowfied form.
Originally posted by dw6xloh, well i was arguing h2 ichigo lol. but i still think hollow mask ichigo wins.
smh so like i said your saying ichigo's skin is harder than steel now huh?? prove that his skin is too hard for someone who cuts steel easily to cut...also that was h2 ichigo who caught ulquiorra's attack not bankai ichigo which i already stated beats dante...and those spikes uses blunt force similar to a punch and bullets uses piercing force....its a big difference in blunt force and piercing....like i said you cant prove ichigo can take being shot in the head nor being shot period
it doesn't matter if the spikes are blunt force or not, even though they are piercing too...i mean...they are spikes. since they produce enough force to destroy that pillar that way, proves them to be stronger.
i gauge a blow from ichigo right before they arrive at soul society to be much greater than a bullet, probably about that of the demon bullets (i know my opinion is not proof, but if you think about it im pretty sure you will think about the same) and kenpachi blocked ichigos sword with his chest when he was a little stronger than that. and hollow mask ichigo is much MUCH stronger than kenpachi at that point, so he should have the defense to stop a bullet from dante.
so even if dante lives long enough to actually stop time, it would not help much
Originally posted by marwash22
Ichigo wouldn't be able to take a bullet to the face; however, he's fast enough to block every single one that gets shot at him. Byakuya's petals are much faster than a bullet shot by Dante's gun and Ichigo effortless swatted thousands of them away... and did this while at a much lower level then he would be in this fight.Also, Ichigo's skin isn't harder than steel, none of the bleach characters have hard skin... they have an aura around their skin and that is indeed harder than steel. As far as i know, the arrancar and Kenpachi are the only ones who have the "steel hard skin", Ichigo has yet to demonstrate this in his shinigami form but i would most assuredly bet that he has it in his hollowfied form.
when was it ever stated how fast byakuya's shikai is? and i highly doubt its faster than a bullet because ichigo and a couple others outran it...and as far as ichigo blocking bullets, he would block all of em but if dante slows down time he wont block any and if he's lucky he would block one....but i highly doubt ichigo could block a direct blast from dante's shotgun
Originally posted by menokokoro
oh, well i was arguing h2 ichigo lol. but i still think hollow mask ichigo wins.it doesn't matter if the spikes are blunt force or not, even though they are piercing too...i mean...they are spikes. since they produce enough force to destroy that pillar that way, proves them to be stronger.
i gauge a blow from ichigo right before they arrive at soul society to be much greater than a bullet, probably about that of the demon bullets (i know my opinion is not proof, but if you think about it im pretty sure you will think about the same) and kenpachi blocked ichigos sword with his chest when he was a little stronger than that. and hollow mask ichigo is much MUCH stronger than kenpachi at that point, so he should have the defense to stop a bullet from dante.
so even if dante lives long enough to actually stop time, it would not help much
your right it isnt proof but....and as for them spikes...they didnt pierce ichigo's skin at all but ulquiorra was able to easily stab ichigo through the chest with his hand and im very sure ulquiorra's hand isnt as powerful as one of those spikes...its because its piercing force....
Originally posted by dw6xl
your right it isnt proof but....and as for them spikes...they didnt pierce ichigo's skin at all but ulquiorra was able to easily stab ichigo through the chest with his hand and im very sure ulquiorra's hand isnt as powerful as one of those spikes...its because its piercing force and piercing is completely different from blunt force....
First off, Byakuya was using his Bankai when Ichigo swatted away his petals.
There is no concrete evidence to back up the assertion that his petals are faster than a bullet. However, i feel confident in saying it because when Ichigo first learns Bankai, he is already noted as being the fastest shinigami while using Bankai. At that level he is already capable of moving faster than the eye can see (keep in mind that we're seeing him just fine because we're watching the show, but Byakuya admitted himself that he couldn't track Ichigo's movements)... now, couple this with that fact that after Byakuya starts directing his petals by hand, the speed increased 10 fold which by all accounts, is faster than the speed of a bullet.
Now, take hollowfied Ichigo, he is immeasurably faster than a bullet... it's not even close. Even if Dante slows down time, all that does is bring Ichigo down to a level where he is visible. As far as the shotgun blast is concerned, i could say the same thing about Dante not being able to stand against a black getsuga tenshou.
Originally posted by dw6xlor maybe its because ulquiorra is WAAAAAAAY! more powerful than grimjaw, and also, he used a cero on ichigo not punchin a whole with his hand
your right it isnt proof but....and as for them spikes...they didnt pierce ichigo's skin at all but ulquiorra was able to easily stab ichigo through the chest with his hand and im very sure ulquiorra's hand isnt as powerful as one of those spikes...its because its piercing force....
Originally posted by menokokoro
or maybe its because ulquiorra is WAAAAAAAY! more powerful than grimjaw, and also, he used a cero on ichigo not punchin a whole with his hand
wats this?
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/271/18/
and are you saying that this same hand thrust would destroy that pilllar that one of those spikes destroyed?
Originally posted by dw6xloh that part! lol and absolutely, might not have the same effect because it is not moving as fast, but it most definitely would have more force.
wats this?
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/271/18/and are you saying that this same hand thrust would destroy that pilllar that one of those spikes destroyed?
let me ask you, what about those spikes makes them seem like a blunt force to you? is it the sharp point they have?
Originally posted by menokokoro
oh that part! lol and absolutely, might not have the same effect because it is not moving as fast, but it most definitely would have more force.let me ask you, what about those spikes makes them seem like a blunt force to you? is it the sharp point they have?
if they werent blunt force they wouldnt of collapsed the pillar like that it woulda went straight through it.....and your saying if ulquiorra's attack was moving faster it would of had more force than grimmjow's spike? your right it prolly would of but it wasnt...and yet still pierced ichigo's chest very easily..also those spikes werent being propelled at the force of a bullet out of the chamber
Originally posted by dw6xlok, you shoot a brick with a high caliber rifle, see what happens, it doesn't go straight through, it breaks it in pieces.
if they werent blunt force they wouldnt of collapsed the pillar like that it woulda went straight through it.....and your saying if ulquiorra's attack was moving faster it would of had more force than grimmjow's spike? your right it prolly would of but it wasnt...and yet still pierced ichigo's chest very easily..also those spikes werent being propelled at the force of a bullet out of the chamber
no im not sayiing that if ulquiorras attack was moving faster it would have more force, im saying that it wouldn't react to something that large the same way because it isn't moving as fast...but yeah that is true, but it wasn't the point i was making. the reason it pierced ichigo's chest is because ulquiorra is a lot stronger than grimjaw....how do you not understand that? i mean if you hit a nail with a foam hammer it wont do much, but if you do with a normal one at the same speed....you get it.
do you know what makes a blunt force? A BLUNT OBJECT!!!!! those spikes are probably sharper than ulquiorras hand, they most definitely were traveling with more force than a bullet from a barrel, because otherwise there is no possible way it would have done the damage it did, i mean tanks couldn't have done that.
Considering Ichigo can get punched through rock and not splat like a pancake, I'd say he's at the very very least as hard as steel.
edit: Heres Ichigo taking 5 of the bloody spikes and heres what one can do. He's clearly waaaay above steel-like durability.
Originally posted by menokokoro
ok, you shoot a brick with a high caliber rifle, see what happens, it doesn't go straight through, it breaks it in pieces.no im not sayiing that if ulquiorras attack was moving faster it would have more force, im saying that it wouldn't react to something that large the same way because it isn't moving as fast...but yeah that is true, but it wasn't the point i was making. the reason it pierced ichigo's chest is because ulquiorra is a lot stronger than grimjaw....how do you not understand that? i mean if you hit a nail with a foam hammer it wont do much, but if you do with a normal one at the same speed....you get it.
do you know what makes a blunt force? A BLUNT OBJECT!!!!! those spikes are probably sharper than ulquiorras hand, they most definitely were traveling with more force than a bullet from a barrel, because otherwise there is no possible way it would have done the damage it did, i mean tanks couldn't have done that.
you got me with the blunt force thing but lemme ask you this...do you think ichigo would of tanked one of those spikes to the face?? i highly doubt it...and i still doubt ichigo can take a fully charged shotgun to his face or his stomach...or a juggernaut slash from yamato....lets not forget pandora's box's gattling gun
'Seriously doubt Ichigo can seriously harm Dante after this...
He wasn't even tryin'...Dante hardly ever does.
I wouldn't underestimate Ichogo's abilities. For example: http://www.mangafox.com/manga/bleach/v41/c350/9.html
All he did was swing his sword. He didn't hit anything. Thats above a big stone fist.
Also, the chapter 90-something 'Drizzly axes' really shows how strong Ichigo is. When he was still a newbie.
Originally posted by No End N Siteare you serious? THAT is why you think dante is stronger than ichigo? you SERIOUSLY underestimate ichigo. there are so many examples of ichigo stopping stuff much more powerful than that attack. most of them are smaller in volume, but have much more force, that was pathetic, its like a moped vs a Bugati vayron in a race. im sorry, that doesn't even deserve proof. if you HONESTLY believe that to be more powerful, you do not know bleach very well.
'Seriously doubt Ichigo can seriously harm Dante after this...He wasn't even tryin'...Dante hardly ever does.