Originally posted by Enyalus
Reactionwise, I took some of these from his respect thread (first page, not hard to find):Against The Sphnix (classic version who went against Galactus, not the recent blah one):
http://img67.exs.cx/img67/5563/vssphinx19mx.jpg
http://img63.exs.cx/img63/9550/vssphinx25qz.jpg
http://img171.exs.cx/img171/9885/vssphinx31pn.jpgNotice in the second scan he dodges Sphnix's laser blast from near-point blank.
And here he catches the bullet from a sniper rifle, again demonstrating that his reflexes are up to par:
Nothing that proves his reflexes are close to Kara's.
Originally posted by Omega Visionuh, what?
Supergirl. She's waaay faster and stronger and can probably take BB out before he gets a chance to open his mouth.
Yes, she has a speed edge, and she might be stronger- proof would be nice in that regard though.
None of that is really relevant though, as a no-holding-back Black Bolt has almost Green Lantern level versatility on top of his ridiculous physical stats, and can amp his strength above Kara's (if he doesn't start above already).
Her only hope for this thread is if she instantly goes for a heat vision attack before he raises his shield, screams, or pulls some crazy matter manipulation- but considering the level of physical and energy abuse that has failed to put down Black Bolt in the past, I'd like to see some cogent reasoning as to why this would actually be any more effective than the rest of the high herald attacks that failed in that regard.
Originally posted by jalek moyeYeah. iirc, he's also manipulated or reversed Adam Warlock's energy attacks in the past, and, unlike the Vulcan fight, he's not initially holding back here.
with what he did to Vulcan's blasts I would like to think the heat vision wouldnt even touch him if he was on guard.
Originally posted by Omega VisionDifference between sniper bullets and handguns... and alien snipers. And most 'enhanced' humans can't catch bullets anyway... especially when they aren't even expecting it.
Bullet catching is something a well trained enhanced human can perform. Hell Batman has deflected bullets before.Nothing that proves his reflexes are close to Kara's.
Curiousity kicks in, and this makes me wonder what Supergirl's done... ?
Originally posted by Original Smurph
Yeah. iirc, he's also manipulated or reversed Adam Warlock's energy attacks in the past, and, unlike the Vulcan fight, he's not initially holding back here.
he has, he's sent them right back at him and simply sent them away. has also just absorbed energy attacks.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Bullet catching is something a well trained enhanced human can perform. Hell Batman has deflected bullets before.Nothing that proves his reflexes are close to Kara's.
His reflexes are enough to deal with her pure speed edge. As I said originally.
Originally posted by Konton
Seing as how Kara isn't holding back, what's to stop her from moving faster than he can see? Wonder Girl has some point blank reflex feats from Superboy Prime and Superman robots and she couldn't see Kara vibrating five yards yonder.
Originally posted by Enyalus
He'd probably sense the electron disruption where she was. Aside from that, she can't attack when she's vibrating intangible, or at least has never done so. And additionally, any time that she isn't attacking just gives Black Bolt time to put up shields or power up energy blasts or matter transmute or whatever. Black Bolt isn't holding back either, some posters seem to forget.
No, she was invisible to Cassie until she decided to sucker punch her in a speed blitz.
Area attacks. Unlike Wonder Girl, Black Bolt has no need to bring this to a physical confrontation, and his most powerful attacks affect ridiculously wide areas. Whenever Kara's vibrated faster than the eye can see, she's been standing still, when she should be pressing the offense if she hopes to have a chance here. So, she goes invisible, and he screams, obliterating her and everything within a planet-wide distance of her. Solid move.
Originally posted by Konton
No, she was invisible to Cassie until she decided to sucker punch her in a speed blitz.
Also, right after that Kara electrocutes Cassie with her own lasso. WTF. Anything Loeb-written is garbage.
Cassie was powered by Ares and his gifts to her were consistently shown to be disloyal to her whenever someone more competent was around. This held true throughout her entire career under Ares' influence up till her third and final upgrade where she had to beat down Lycus, a god who usurped her position as Ares' champion and was stealing Cassie's powers by being more aggressive than she was willing to be.
A fairly hard judgement call to make on Loeb's part, but it held true to the character's history and still managed to make Kara seem badass as hell.
Originally posted by Konton
Cassie was powered by Ares and his gifts to her were consistently shown to be disloyal to her whenever someone more competent was around. This held true throughout her entire career under Ares' influence up till her third and final upgrade where she had to beat down Lycus, a god who usurped her position as Ares' champion and was stealing Cassie's powers by being more aggressive than she was willing to be.
Originally posted by Lunacyde
#1. Kara was trained by the Amazons, Batman, and some of the best fighters on Earth. She is more skilled H2H than Hulk easily and most likely Gladiator as well.
She isn't more skilled than Black Bolt. Black Bolt owned Ikaris who had him in a lock by surprise. He's beaten Thing and Namor in hand to hand. It's nice that she was trained but a lot of those guys but none of them is comparable to Karnak in skills.
#2. Superman and Kryptonians in general have a far higher base strength than Hulk and Gladiator.
Maybe the Hulk. I seem to recall Superman being KOed after slamming into the moon. Gladiator wrecked a planet in 3 shots. Strength-wise, Gladiator is stronger than Kara or most Kryptonians.
Originally posted by Lunacyde
#1. What strength feats does BB have that don't depend on saying "he hung with so-and-so in a fight"?
Knocking the Hulk into a mountain in one shot.
Uppercutting Namor into a dam in one shot.
Knocking Gladiator into the ground and choking his him until the other Imperial Guards intervened.
#2. What speed feats does BB have that don't depend on saying "he hung with so and so in a fight"?
Speed feat? Nothing comparable to Supergirl.
Originally posted by Original Smurph
Area attacks. Unlike Wonder Girl, Black Bolt has no need to bring this to a physical confrontation, and his most powerful attacks affect ridiculously wide areas. Whenever Kara's vibrated faster than the eye can see, she's been standing still, when she should be pressing the offense if she hopes to have a chance here. So, she goes invisible, and he screams, obliterating her and everything within a planet-wide distance of her. Solid move.
guess ill have to go with Blackagar if you put area effect attacks into the equation.
BB > Sg
"She isn't more skilled than Black Bolt. Black Bolt owned Ikaris who had him in a lock by surprise. He's beaten Thing and Namor in hand to hand. It's nice that she was trained but a lot of those guys but none of them is comparable to Karnak in skills."
Namor and Thing aren't that impressive H2H combatants. Thing is a competent boxer, and Namor has no outstanding martial arts skills.
