Greece on the path to chaos

I noticed the Greek people arn´t very happy about the saving schemes their government is planning to impose. Much higher taxes, less pay, pentions cut etc.

Yesterday´s demonstrations seen live on TV looked very nasty in some cases, especially the poor people who were killed in a bank that got molokov cocktailed.

I feel sorry for the normal people on the ground, whether it be those who are gonna be very poor in the future, the police taking the brunt of the agression whilst the vulture media were hanging around behind filming and taking photo´s.

But what really makes my gut wrench is the thought that those responsible for the whole situation sitting comfortably in their offices sipping Mocca and Ouzo oblivious to the mayhem they have caused.

I think the Mierda could really hit the fan though after seeing yesterdays scenes. And with Portugal and Spain heading for a similar disaster could this be the start of the end of the EURO?

The problem is Greece might be a test run, with all other countries following the domino effect. The end result being modern slavery?

Originally posted by Bicnarok
The problem is Greece might be a test run, with all other countries following the domino effect. The end result being modern slavery?

Symmetric chaos?

Originally posted by Bicnarok
But what really makes my gut wrench is the thought that those responsible for the whole situation sitting comfortably in their offices sipping Mocca and Ouzo oblivious to the mayhem they have caused.

On the contrary, Greece is in the midst of revolution. What you are probably seeing is very slanted news. Rioting yesterday ended in three deaths that possibly could have been avoided.

But at the sametime, the workers of Greece are rising against the government, I see nothing wrong in that. You're reading into it the wrong way, only looking at the negative effects.

The positive is out weighing the negative ten fold, the people are speaking on what they think of the current system of the world, and I say let them!

Perhaps we will see a ripple effect, I at least hope so. This could be what Marx meant, a world wide revolution? At the same time however, if the Bolsheviks couldn't muster a world wide revolution how can Greece be any different?

Perhaps it is now that the game is in the European nations backyard, time is going to tell and we can only hope for the best. Long live the Worker!

I once saw a banner that was being held by a few of the protestors, it read (in a rough translation): "Greece is the birth place of Democracy. It will die here." An interesting point to make is it not? I can only wonder still though if this is going to carry all throughout Europe, I really hope so.

EDIT

Also, here's a pretty interesting article written about the deaths.
http://boston.indymedia.org/feature/display/210540/index.php

"the malice of Marfin Bank and Mr. Vgenopoulos personally who explicitly stated that whoever didin’t come to work today [May 5th, a day of a general strike!] should not bother showing up for work tomorrow [as they would get fired]."

youre a scary person liberator

So how is that European Union working for you folks down in Greece? Don't worry we're under a global bail out govenments era....consider yourself lucky. For now...

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
youre a scary person liberator

Indeed. Humans are far too selfish and cruel for communism to work, any time soon.

Sure, the proletariat should rise up against the bourgeoisie, but not to create a communist system because all that would be is the same system with even mroe power in the select hands of a few. Wanna know why? Let's be real: as if any communist system created, on a country-wide scale, will end up being anything but a totalitarian system of government...aka, the dictatorship of the proletariat.

Bla bla bla. So, yeah, the "proletariat" may rise up against the "bourgeoisie", but not to create the temporary dictatorship of the proletariat: it'd be to setup a similar or just another democracy (even if it is a democratic republic.)

Edit -Holy fudge, there's probably a lot of misspellings in my post. Eff it: I ain't fixin' jack.

Originally posted by WickedDynamite
So how is that European Union working for you folks down in Greece? Don't worry we're under a global bail out govenments era....consider yourself lucky. For now...

Greece's troubles are hardly the fault of the European Union.

Originally posted by Liberator
On the contrary, Greece is in the midst of revolution. What you are probably seeing is very slanted news. Rioting yesterday ended in three deaths that possibly could have been avoided.

But at the sametime, the workers of Greece are rising against the government, I see nothing wrong in that. You're reading into it the wrong way, only looking at the negative effects.

The positive is out weighing the negative ten fold, the people are speaking on what they think of the current system of the world, and I say let them!

Perhaps we will see a ripple effect, I at least hope so. This could be what Marx meant, a world wide revolution? At the same time however, if the Bolsheviks couldn't muster a world wide revolution how can Greece be any different?

Perhaps it is now that the game is in the European nations backyard, time is going to tell and we can only hope for the best. Long live the Worker!

I once saw a banner that was being held by a few of the protestors, it read (in a rough translation): "Greece is the birth place of Democracy. It will die here." An interesting point to make is it not? I can only wonder still though if this is going to carry all throughout Europe, I really hope so.

I wish them luck, because what we now know as democracy actually isn´t. Its the kings in their castles (banks) controlling who is elected by their financial input and support, not to mention media brain washing.

Look at the election in Britian at the moment or the US election, there is no real choice nothing changes!!

A workers party would win if there was one because the majority of people are workers, slaves to the banks who make money from thing air by pushing numbers too and fro while other people work their bollocks off to get by producing things we actually need.

Originally posted by Liberator
I once saw a banner that was being held by a few of the protestors, it read (in a rough translation): "Greece is the birth place of Democracy. It will die here." An interesting point to make is it not? I can only wonder still though if this is going to carry all throughout Europe, I really hope so.

What an odd banner to carry when you're part of a large group.

Modern slavery? Greeks get like 75% of their salary as their welfrare check. Germans, who are footing the largest percentage of the Greek bailout only get 40%. Of course the Greeks have to take a cut. Think about how Germans feel bailing out retired bus drivers that make twice what theirs do.

I'm sorry Greece it taking away the golden cups (omg, they'll have to use stone or plastic), but they obviosly couldn't afford it in the first place.

Originally posted by Ordo
Modern slavery? Greeks get like 75% of their salary as their welfrare check. Germans, who are footing the largest percentage of the Greek bailout only get 40%. Of course the Greeks have to take a cut. Think about how Germans feel bailing out retired bus drivers that make twice what theirs do.

I'm sorry Greece it taking away the golden cups (omg, they'll have to use stone or plastic), but they obviosly couldn't afford it in the first place.

Meaningless! The fact is people don´t like getting their money cut especially if they are having problems getting by anyway.

Ive been to Greece often and when they had the Drachma everything was mega cheap, so the locals could afford to live, but since the Euro came into it all prices have rocketed (like in most EU countries). For example in Greece 1 liter of Super will cost over 1,60 € twice as much as it did last year, in other countries its around the 1,40€ mark as a comparison and 70% of that is tax.

Nice sig by the way.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
For example in Greece 1 liter of Super will cost over 1,60 € twice as much as it did last year, in other countries its around the 1,40€ mark as a comparison and 70% of that is tax.

Maybe they should just drink water, it's better for you too.

Originally posted by Robtard
Maybe they should just drink water, it's better for you too.

I don´t think they drink the fuel, probably use it in their cars like other folk, or what were you getting at?

Originally posted by Bicnarok
I don´t think they drink the fuel, probably use it in their cars like other folk, or what were you getting at?

Thought you were talking about Greek soda. In that case, maybe they should just bike about, it's better for you.

Originally posted by Robtard
Thought you were talking about Greek soda. In that case, maybe they should just bike about, it's better for you.

I see🙂 Super is the normal benzin fuel in Europe.

cycling about is always the better option if your place of work is near enough, but not everyone has that luxury. Some people need a car for various things so there´s not way around paying the high fuel prices.

Your viewpoint seems to be obstracting from the cause of the problem, I´m sure the normal workers didn´t cause the massive dept which the country has. But they are the ones who are going to pay for it.

instead of rioting the greeks should do what black people did in the 50s and sit around in the streets and in peoples door steps until they get what they want.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
Your viewpoint seems to be obstracting from the cause of the problem, I´m sure the normal workers didn´t cause the massive dept which the country has. But they are the ones who are going to pay for it.

I'm just being an ass.

Such is the case usually, the rich and in power cause the shenanigans; the poor are the ones that bend over and have to take it.

The same thing wont happen in Spain and Portugal, in terms of the rioting, because Greece has been a boiling pot of unrest for a long time now. Ever since the police shot Alexandros Grigoropoulos they have been chomping at the bit to go postal and smash **** out the place...I say let them get on with it.