Ronan vs Gamora

^^^^ You still don't get it do you...

Do you know how many fights in comics DON'T have someone knocking someone down or stunning them and jumping on them right away going for the KO? THE VAST MAJORITY don't have that happening at all. The vast majority have someone knocking someone over and going into a monologue, boasting/gloating, and letting them get back up. This happens WAY MORE then the way you prefer fights to go. Problem is, those fights are canon and what we on the forum USE as proof.

I ask again... so if any fight has someone not going for the kill right away and boasting and letting someone get back up.. you would throw those out as PIS or CIS right? That is what you're arguing here and I want to make this point clear.. in the hopes that you woud then see how much you would be throwing out. You would be throwing out the vast majoirty of comic book fights. This is your stance correct?

Originally posted by Deadline
I don't think you understood the point he was making. The point is that using your logic 90% of fights would be CIS/PIS, thats it.

I don't think you understood the point he was making. The point is that using your logic 90% of fights would be CIS/PIS, thats it.

The reality is that 90% of fights involving top tiers are suspect, and have context or details that needs to be considered before citing. 9/10 Thor just hits shit with his hammer. 9/10 Superman forgets that flight and super strength aren't his only only power. It's an artistic medium and the fights need to be visually impressive... no one wants to buy a book that ends in one panel with Ronan stomping Gamora, but that is what would happen if written properly, and its what happens on KMC.

we shown how an attack hurt the individual and the likely chance of being replicated in forum with CIS of the character but we dont say monologuing can be considered part of CIS where it will adversely effect him b/c he get's stuck on thought.

same goes for heroes.. they are not going to stop in mid fight and ask that they surrender

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The reality is that 90% of fights involving top tiers are suspect, and have context or details that needs to be considered before citing. 9/10 Thor just hits shit with his hammer. 9/10 Superman forgets that flight and super strength aren't his only only power. It's an artistic medium and the fights need to be visually impressive... no one wants to buy a book that ends in one panel with Ronan stomping Gamora, but that is what would happen if written properly, and its what happens on KMC.

That doesn't mean that there fights aren't admissable as evidence and are thrown out does it? Did you throw out Thor vs Wolverine? No you didn't.

Originally posted by Deadline
That doesn't mean that there fights aren't admissable as evidence and are thrown out does it? Did you throw out Thor vs Wolverine? No you didn't.

we know Thor can be cut, We know that Wolverine can dodge Thor.

we know that Thor could beat him senseless all out.

Originally posted by King Castle
we shown how an attack hurt the individual and the likely chance of being replicated in forum with CIS of the character but we dont say monologuing can be considered part of CIS where it will adversely effect him b/c he get's stuck on thought.

same goes for heroes.. they are not going to stop in mid fight and ask that they surrender

So then you would throw out 90% of the fights in comics then? That is exactly what you're preaching for. That those are canon fights anymore and can't be used as proof since according to you they are filled with PIS and CIS

Originally posted by King Castle
we took what was effective to show what is possible and shown but we dont say Thor fought to his best.

Really? Look man maybe I'm wrong but now i think you're making shit up. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure people thought that was a good representation of what would happen between Thor and Wolverine.

Originally posted by Deadline
That doesn't mean that there fights aren't admissable as evidence and are thrown out does it? Did you throw out Thor vs Wolverine? No you didn't.

It means they are only relevant in the context they are given. The fight between Wolverine and Thor, is evidence that Wolverine could tag Thor in a slugfest... not evidence that he could contend with the Odin Son in am anything goes, no holds bared fight.

Originally posted by Deadline
Really? Look man maybe I'm wrong but now i think you're making shit up. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure people thought that was a good representation of what would happen between Thor and Wolverine.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It means they are only relevant in the context they are given. The fight between Wolverine and Thor, is evidence that Wolverine could tag Thor in a slugfest... not evidence that he could contend with the Odin Son in am anything goes, no holds bared fight.

I still think you're missing the point. You didn't decide to to rule out the fight because he didn't try to teleport him away or drain his energy. You think that was a well written fight.

Originally posted by King Castle
that's just you.. in a real fight the fight would go vastly different from how thor would react and i dont know anyone who claimed other wise.

You think it was poorly written?

the only think we can take from the fight is that Gamora could punch Ronan and make him feel it aside from that there isnt any real relevance with her being able to defeat him

Originally posted by King Castle
the only think we can take from the fight is that Gamora could punch Ronan and make him feel it aside from that there isnt any real relevance with her being able to defeat him

She can take a blast from Ronan and lava? It don't think it matter if she can't beat him. It was still an impressive feats Wolverine got Koed by Thor Gamora kept on fighting.

Originally posted by Deadline
She can take a blast from Ronan and lava? It don't think it matter if she can't beat him.

it is not an argument to say that character A fought a herald trans that he wins against a low end meta or brick and ignore story context and power set like one not trying to hurt the other or simply going through the motions without trying b/c he is too cocky to try harder like he would against Thor or Silver Surfer

Okay Deadline you've got me confused....

Here it looks like you're saying Ronan tends to fight like an idiot.

Originally posted by Deadline
Ronan doesn't always use his stasis field that means that he fights like a moron most of the time,

Originally posted by Deadline
Wait what, when did this happem? So Ronan is a moron now? So if we posted scans of Ronan vs Ravenous you would be arguing that he was fighting like a moron?

He wasn't using the best of his abilities, he wasn't using the abilities that would afford him an easy win, you figure it out.

Originally posted by Deadline
You missed the point. Nobody fights the same 100% of the time or we could clasify most fights as CIS or PIS. He actually used more powers against Gamora than he did against Ravenous, which actually shows how impressive she is.

He had her to a strict disadvantage several times in the course of that fight and gave them ALL up.
If you have your opponent in a rear naked choke, seconds away from a tap out and you let it go to continue a standing brawl to a stalemate then yeah, you pretty much just fought like an idiot.

It COULD shot how impressive she is, if it had any sort of logical coherent stream of events to show why Ronan couldn't keep her in a stasis field, or keep her at bay with falling rocks, or keep her encased in molten rock... It didn't... All we saw was that one minute he would be using his powers, and she would be at a completele disadvantage or unable to push forward, and the next he was back to meleeing her.

It doesn't make her look awesome, it makes him look stupid.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So then, you would also through out the majority of fights in comics? This is your stance then? Because the vast majority of fights, WHICH BY THE WAY ARE WHAT WE USE AS PROOF AND CANON.. would be thrown out under your criteria as CIS or PIS. Thus, if it were up to you guys, we would have exponentionally less material to use as support. Luckily you guys aren't that important and thus we'll go about things the way we always have. That fight is canon and on panel proof of Gamora's skill

No.. that's your idiotic presumption.

No one said we need to throw out the fight, I didn't even say it wasn't impressive to SOME extent.. what I said is that it isn't as impressive as some like to believe SOLEY based on the fact that it was Ronan she was fighting.

What makes the feat impressive is Ronan himself, the calibur he's "supposed" to be at and the powers he's "supposed" to have.
He's the contributing factor that makes it a feat in the first place, if he's NOT fighting with LEGITIMATE use of those abilities, it robs the feat of being an end all be all.

As KC already pointed out. The fight with Thor and Wolverine proves SOME THINGS, but not how a forum fight between Thor and Wolverine would actually go.

The fight between Ronan and Gamora shows some impressive shit, it just isn't as impressive as one would assume with statements like "Gamora beat Ronan" "Gamora fought Ronan" "Gamora stalemated Ronan".... etc. If you're aware of the characters and not the context, it sounds much more impressive than it actually is.

Can someone please post the fight they're referencing?

Originally posted by King Castle
the only think we can take from the fight is that Gamora could punch Ronan and make him feel it aside from that there isnt any real relevance with her being able to defeat him

yeah. he wasnt even paying her much attention for most of the fight. he kept talking about how he's free now blah blah blah. after the fall out from him trying to matter manipulate her "godslayer", he got up immediately. she gets up much later than he did.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Can someone please post the fight they're referencing?

I don't have the scans... but they are saying because Ronan "fought stupid" let her break free and didn't press the advantage he had.. the fight is thus PIS or CIS... My point is pretty much every fight in comics has this same thing occur.. thus if we went by that criteria they use.. we would throw all 90% of fights in comics.

can someone please post the relevant scans for PR