Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
I'm saying it is a mistake to label most of our government leaders as "christians" when that simply is not the case. If true evangelical christians were in office, it would re-shape U.S. policy dramatically.
So then you are narrowing the definition of Christian to make it fit. Okay.
Originally posted by Peach
...seriously?Okay, a reality check here. Lawmakers already do what they can to restrict abortion as much as they possibly can without actually going against Roe vs. Wade, and there are attempts at overturning it quite often. It is currently illegal for homosexual couples to marry in almost every state in the US, and it is far more difficult for them to adopt children than a heterosexual couple. There are many policies that are directly influenced by the faith of those in government that are making the laws.
Your what-if scenario isn't a what-if, it's how things already are and have been for some time. And, which I should haven't to point out, NOT how things should be.
What I'm saying is..if true Christian lawmakers were in office, Roe vs Wade would never have happened in the first place. Homosexual unions would be banned in ALL states. Even Obama himself stated that this is not a "christian" nation anymore in a fairly recent speech. You can see the state of this country and tell that it is falling away from christian influence. Most of the posters in these forums are even professed atheists or agnostics. If you think most of our federal and state leaders are such mega-christians, then show me evidence that their lives match what they publicly profess in front of a television camera. Give me examples of a few members of Congress performing evangelical activities(this does not include attending Church...that can be argued as being just for show).
Originally posted by Robtard
The flag-shirts didn't do that by themselves though, it was other people who took that point of view and then reacted on it.Could any other student have gone to the principle and stated "the Mexican patriotism apparel offends me, my grandfather is French(or Texan); I want it removed" and it would have been? No, it wouldn't have, because it's not offensive in the general sense of things; either is the American flag.
This is not a general instance, but a fairly specific context.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Christianity as a movement that identified itself as such didn't form until after Jesus died, so no.
So, many of these medieval Catholic bishops who paid for their offices..and the bishops who took payments for indulgences. They're Christians?
Hitler was a professed Catholic Christian...would you call him that?
Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
So, many of these medieval Catholic bishops who paid for their offices..and the bishops who took payments for indulgences. They're Christians?Hitler was a professed Catholic Christian...would you call him that?
Yes and yes. You can define Christian as "politically active evangelical Christian fundamentalists" but that really a definition only used by politically active evangelical Christian fundamentalists and atheists.
Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
If true evangelical christians were in office, it would re-shape U.S. policy dramatically.
Not necessarily, because the Constitution would stay their hand. But even still, Christianity has always somehow found its way into American law. Like the The Ten Commandments in court houses. Even when a country is officially secular, its largest religion always bends laws in their favor. India is officially secular, but cow slaughter is illegal in five states, because the country is mostly Hindu.
Re: kids sent home from school for wearing USA flag shirts..
Originally posted by super pr*xy
http://news.yahoo.com/video/sanfranciscocbs5-15751300/s-bay-students-wearing-u-s-flag-shirts-sent-home-19586193#video=19601151they are not taliban, communists, or terrorists.. they are americans.. in san francisco.. or somewhere in the bay area..
You answer your comment..."San Francisco" land of Berkeley and other weird places.
Wacky Northern Californians.
You know, we don't celebrate November the fifth, or Bastille day, or any other foreign independence day knock-off. Why in ****s sake do we celebrate Mexican independence day?
I understand MLKJ day, that's something to do with independence of americans, etc. But celebrating the day that another country got their independence? It's kind of like... what the ****?
Originally posted by One Free Man
You know, we don't celebrate November the fifth, or Bastille day, or any other foreign independence day knock-off. Why in ****s sake do we celebrate Mexican independence day?I understand MLKJ day, that's something to do with independence of americans, etc. But celebrating the day that another country got their independence? It's kind of like... what the ****?
Cinco De Mayo isn't even that. dude. Mexican Independence Day is in September.
Cinco De Mayo celebrates one victory the Mexican army had over the French in a war they eventually lost. Most of Mexico doesn't celebrate Cinco De Mayo, it's like Alamo Day here in the US. Celebrating it here is little more than an excuse to get drunk.
Originally posted by Robtard
I believe they refused to take off the shirts and I'm pretty sure most schools have a 'shirts on' policy, with the exception of [boys] P.E.
so, they flat out refused to comprimise?
I don't see your angle here then...
really? Mr Butcher used to get all us guys together topless for photography class in like grade 6... thats normal, ya?
Originally posted by inimalist
so, they flat out refused to comprimise?I don't see your angle here then...
really? Mr Butcher used to get all us guys together topless for photography class in like grade 6... thats normal, ya?
They shouldn't have been asked in the first place, it was a none issue until the school made it one. How's that angle?
Maybe in Canada?