Raikage vs Tsunade

Started by dadudemon6 pages

Ran out of time to edit that post as I left a few lines of response blank:

Basically, Astner, you don't know what you're doing. And, if you do, you're so high when you reply that you don't know left from right.

You have yet to correct the obvious mistakes that I pointed out and are, instead, dancing around the subject. You make simple mistakes that you shouldn't such as calling them "tons" and "rectangles", and failing to understand has SI works completely.

Stick to the topic at hand: correct your mistakes on your calculation of Gama's sword. I'll work on it, properly, on this end. 🙂

Umm....really? Was a physics debate really that necessary for this forum? 😐

Why can't people just go for the person with better feats; strength wise that would be Tsunade.

However, on the battlefield, Raikage would murder her unless she used Genesis Rebirth.

What good would Genesis Rebirth do? A would just murder her again.

Unless she does what Q99 stated, and uses her stored up chakra to punch the Raikage to Kingdom Come. Then again, that's assuming she can even land a hit on A.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
What good would Genesis Rebirth do? A would just murder her again.

Unless she does what Q99 stated, and uses her stored up chakra to punch the Raikage to Kingdom Come. Then again, that's assuming she can even land a hit on A.

That's right, the Raikage is super fast.

hmm

You'll have to excuse my absence I've basically been studying at full time for my upcoming exams in my second course in quantum mechanics and mathematical modeling. Though I have to say I'm disappointed in your response. But I'll address that point by point.

Originally posted by dadudemon
So, basically, you bring in a bunch of strawman arguments because you simply can't say, "I was wrong." My professors or teachers have nothing to do with you posting something wrong.

It wasn't an argument, thus not a fallacy. The title of the example has no relevance whatsoever. It doesn't make the example or solution wrong, deal with it.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Also, you need to quote me where I said that the given formula only applied to perfect cubes. Please, I beg you, show me where I said that.

Third page, second post:

"Wrong. You cubed the same number...that's not accurate (unless the katana is a perfect cube)."

Further ironically not what I did in that formula.

Originally posted by dadudemon
It's called context and you don't understand it. You can't even follow a simple internet conversation. L*W*H is a very simple formula. That was the context of the convo, you could not follow it.

So I couldn't follow it because I was able to point out that it didn't only work for fixed values but also for any given function? After pointing that out and your failure to give a proper response I'd say that you were the one that couldn't follow.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yes, I have no idea what I'm talking about because I make massive mistakes in all of my math, eliminate essential "variables" from my calculations, and then throw a fit when someone points out where I went wrong. Oh, wait, that's you. 😬

You have to understand the difference between a mathematical and a numerical problem, which again is basic algebra. I'm not denying the fact that I made a numerical error. However, I formulated the mathematical problem correctly and you fail to understand it.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Oh man. It's all too clear, now.

I'm sorry I took you seriously for even a little bit. My bad.


Ironic. Especially since you were unable to comply with the mathematical problem I gave you, one which I solved several years back.

Originally posted by dadudemon
So this is how you admit you're wrong?

That was sarcasm, though I can't say I expected more of you.

I bet it pisses you off to no end that I reversed your own work against you to see if you'd argue against yourself.

Originally posted by dadudemon
And, I will not humor your massive load of fail when it comes to SI. You've gone too far into fail for me to be willing to humor you.

It's saddening to see that you fail to admit that you're wrong when you said that grams were an SI-unit, it's not more of an SI-unit than a stone or pound.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Ugh. Man, you've gone too far. Why does the mass matter at all to the actual point?

Because that's what we're trying to calculate, if it didn't matter. We wouldn't do the calculation. Either--if not both--of your estimations (density and volume of an actual katana) are ridiculous.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yeah, they were. You just don't get it. You think this is a "math definition" of "arbitrary numbers", but it clearly is not.

Ironically, mathematical definitions or axioms are regious and injective (one-to-one) if they weren't problems wouldn't be well defined to begin with, rendering maths useless.

Originally posted by dadudemon
And, no, it is not necessary, even in the slightest, and, like I said, I have never seen it. Please, kind sir, link me to something on the internet that shows when "[-]" is supposed to be used. Please, I beg you.

More often than not it's simply let out, however regious solution always contain the units in brackets the dimensionless unit being wrote out as either: [-], [ ] or [1].

I couldn't find any notation of the dimensionless (or even with dimension) unit in brackets. Even though it's scientifically stipulated.

As for references: [-] is Kusse, Bruce R.'s notation in "Mathematical Physics: Applied Mathematics for Scientists and Engineers"

But then again, with junior high dimension analysis you should had figured it out. [kg]*[something] = [kg]. Naturally [something] can't have any unit.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I can't read that image crap you are posting.

Regardless, you still don't get it


And that's an ad hominem. I like how you not once in this entire post do any attempt to do any actual refutations. Rather you go on and on with you logical fallacies "it's wrong because it stupid", sorry life isn't that simple.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I guess you need to retake highschool because you can't even make simple calculations, much less understand the relationship between volume and density to mass.

Is that how it is? I'm not the one failing to understand the relation between volume and mass, you are. As I said, and you dismissed.

Gamabuta's katana length = [GKL]
Original katana length = [OKL]
Gamabuta's katana volume = [GKV]
Original katana volume = [OKV]
Gamabuta's katana desnity = [GKD]
Original katana density = [OKD]
Gamabuta's katana mass = [GKM]
Original katana mass = [OKM]

[GKV] = ([GKL]/[OKL])^3 * [OKV] - The volume formula applies to a arbitrary body (cubes, cuboids, spheres, etc.).

Now the [OKD] and [GKD] have the same density if they're made of the same materials (unaffected by scale). So [OKD] = [GKD].

If we now decide to multiply the LHS and the RHS of the equation with the density we would get.

[OKD]*[GKV] = ([GKL]/[OKL])^3 * [OKV]*[OKD]

or

[GKM] = ([GKL]/[OKL])^3 * [OKM] Q.E.D.

Now if you make an actual response and manage to refute any of these points, then I will address these points.

However if your following post, like your previous one is void of any legit argument I'll ignore it. No, "your wrong, this is stupid" isn't an argument against anything, it's an ad homiem.

Neither is addressing my previous numerical error (like you did 4-5 times in this post) which I conceded in was incorrect several posts back.

Originally posted by Astner
You'll have to excuse my absence I've basically been studying at full time for my upcoming exams in my second course in quantum mechanics and mathematical modeling. Though I have to say I'm disappointed in your response. But I'll address that point by point.

It wasn't an argument, thus not a fallacy. The title of the example has no relevance whatsoever. It doesn't make the example or solution wrong, deal with it.

Third page, second post:

"Wrong. You cubed the same number...that's not accurate (unless the katana is a perfect cube)."

Further ironically not what I did in that formula.

So I couldn't follow it because I was able to point out that it didn't only work for fixed values but also for any given function? After pointing that out and your failure to give a proper response I'd say that you were the one that couldn't follow.

You have to understand the difference between a mathematical and a numerical problem, which again is basic algebra. I'm not denying the fact that I made a numerical error. However, I formulated the mathematical problem correctly and you fail to understand it.

Ironic. Especially since you were unable to comply with the mathematical problem I gave you, one which I solved several years back.

That was sarcasm, though I can't say I expected more of you.

I bet it pisses you off to no end that I reversed your own work against you to see if you'd argue against yourself.

It's saddening to see that you fail to admit that you're wrong when you said that grams were an SI-unit, it's not more of an SI-unit than a stone or pound.

Because that's what we're trying to calculate, if it didn't matter. We wouldn't do the calculation. Either--if not both--of your estimations (density and volume of an actual katana) are ridiculous.

Ironically, mathematical definitions or axioms are regious and injective (one-to-one) if they weren't problems wouldn't be well defined to begin with, rendering maths useless.

More often than not it's simply let out, however regious solution always contain the units in brackets the dimensionless unit being wrote out as either: [-], [ ] or [1].

I couldn't find any notation of the dimensionless (or even with dimension) unit in brackets. Even though it's scientifically stipulated.

As for references: [-] is Kusse, Bruce R.'s notation in "Mathematical Physics: Applied Mathematics for Scientists and Engineers"

But then again, with junior high dimension analysis you should had figured it out. [kg]*[something] = [kg]. Naturally [something] can't have any unit.

And that's an ad hominem. I like how you not once in this entire post do any attempt to do any actual refutations. Rather you go on and on with you logical fallacies "it's wrong because it stupid", sorry life isn't that simple.

Is that how it is? I'm not the one failing to understand the relation between volume and mass, you are. As I said, and you dismissed.

Gamabuta's katana length = [GKL]
Original katana length = [OKL]
Gamabuta's katana volume = [GKV]
Original katana volume = [OKV]
Gamabuta's katana desnity = [GKD]
Original katana density = [OKD]
Gamabuta's katana mass = [GKM]
Original katana mass = [OKM]

[GKV] = ([GKL]/[OKL])^3 * [OKV] - The volume formula applies to a arbitrary body (cubes, cuboids, spheres, etc.).

Now the [OKD] and [GKD] have the same density if they're made of the same materials (unaffected by scale). So [OKD] = [GKD].

If we now decide to multiply the LHS and the RHS of the equation with the density we would get.

[OKD]*[GKV] = ([GKL]/[OKL])^3 * [OKV]*[OKD]

or

[GKM] = ([GKL]/[OKL])^3 * [OKM] Q.E.D.

[b]Now if you make an actual response and manage to refute any of these points, then I will address these points.

However if your following post, like your previous one is void of any legit argument I'll ignore it. No, "your wrong, this is stupid" isn't an argument against anything, it's an ad homiem.

Neither is addressing my previous numerical error (like you did 4-5 times in this post) which I conceded in was incorrect several posts back. [/B]

Hi, Astner.

I didn't read any of that.

I will not respond to your posts on this subject any longer.

🙂

I'll work out the correct calculation when I feel up to it. My homie has some 3D physics software that I can model this shizer from that will help me calculate a correct number.

Like I said, earlier, though, the sword has to be made from a material other than steel....cause it's too big to actually use without it bending/breaking. teehee

Originally posted by dadudemon
Hi, Astner.

I didn't read any of that.

I will not respond to your posts on this subject any longer.

🙂


Concession accepted.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I'll work out the correct calculation when I feel up to it. My homie has some 3D physics software that I can model this shizer from that will help me calculate a correct number.

Some 3D physics software, you didn't research that one through did you?

Even if that was the case and you just had no idea of what you're talking about. You should get about 128 metric tons if you're doing it correctly.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Like I said, earlier, though, the sword has to be made from a material other than steel....cause it's too big to actually use without it bending/breaking. teehee

So would it if it was made of any other material too, even graphene wouldn't keep it together.

Originally posted by Astner
So would it if it was made of any other material too, even graphene wouldn't keep it together.

Yes, fortunately we're using a fictional world where materials can have as much structural integrity as we want.

Originally posted by Astner
Concession accepted.

But I didn't concede. Only thing I did was show you where your math was wrong while you pretended it was right while making painful mistake after mistake.

I just don't like to entertain huge wastes of my time.

Originally posted by Astner
Some 3D physics software, you didn't research that one through did you?

Even if that was the case and you just had no idea of what you're talking about. You should get about 128 metric tons if you're doing it correctly.

Yeah, you know, software that allows people to render...you know.....3d graphics? durr

He's an animator.

You didn't think before responding, did you? Of course not, you haven't very much on all of this.

Also, there are tons of software programs out there that allow you to model complex physics based scenarios. You didn't get to use any of those in "college" did you?

Anywho, most of those software programs give you TONS of information on the objects you draw including volume. You can set things such as the gravity constant, volumetirc info, etc. It's quite nice. 🙂

Originally posted by Astner
So would it if it was made of any other material too, even graphene wouldn't keep it together.

English, please. 🙂

Originally posted by dadudemon
But I didn't concede. Only thing I did was show you where your math was wrong while you pretended it was right while making painful mistake after mistake.

No, what you did was acting as if I made mathematical mistakes.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yeah, you know, software that allows people to render...you know.....3d graphics? durr

He's an animator.

You didn't think before responding, did you? Of course not, you haven't very much on all of this.

Also, there are tons of software programs out there that allow you to model complex physics based scenarios. You didn't get to use any of those in "college" did you?


An animator, really? And no, I don't physic based programs that allows you to model complex physic related scenarios because frankly they don't exist. What we learn, however, is programing using mathematical software such as MATLAB, Python, GNU Octave and Mathematica in which we can solve virtually any scenario.

In fact, here is a recent program I made studying the relation between the structure of black holes and their rotation. Enjoy.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Anywho, most of those software programs give you TONS of information on the objects you draw including volume. You can set things such as the gravity constant, volumetirc info, etc. It's quite nice. 🙂

Funny, you've yet to mention one. Fact is there is no point in creating a visual based physic program because it would be needlessly abstract and take up far too much space.

Originally posted by dadudemon
English, please. 🙂

That's right you don't understand scientific terminology. Graphene is the prime carbon structure used in nano technology.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Yes, fortunately we're using a fictional world where materials can have as much structural integrity as we want.

You would still have to define its properies.

Originally posted by Astner
No, what you did was acting as if I made mathematical mistakes.

Really? I mean...really, dude? You forgot density, made tons of math mistakes on almost every last calculation, and still don't see it. Yet, I acted?

Originally posted by Astner
An animator, really? And no, I don't physic based programs that allows you to model complex physic related scenarios because frankly they don't exist. What we learn, however, is programing using mathematical software such as MATLAB, Python, GNU Octave and Mathematica in which we can solve virtually any scenario.

They don't exist, eh?

That's funny.

Cause like, you have no clue what you're talking about.

I love it.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=physics+engine

hehehehehe

Originally posted by Astner
Funny, you've yet to mention one. Fact is there is no point in creating a visual based physic program because it would be needlessly abstract and take up far too much space.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=physics+engine

Originally posted by Astner
That's right you don't understand scientific terminology. Graphene is the prime carbon structure used in nano technology.

😆 😆 😆

That's not even close to what I was talking about.

But, Astner, if you want to pretend you're right to save your ego, go ahead.

Just make sure you pass your on-topic math by me before you post it in a vs. thread. I actually don't mind talking about this stuff and I wish more people would make an effort to use math in vs. debates, when applicable. Originally, I was happy that you tried it. Sure, you did a horrible job of actually doing things correctly, I was still proud of you.

^
lol, that was soooooo condescending.

Originally posted by Astner
You would still have to define its properies.

No, because we have no information by which to base that on, except that it retains structural integrity at that size. There you go, there's the one known property about it.

Kandy is right...

Originally posted by marwash22
^
lol, that was soooooo condescending.

He started it! 😠 (No, really, he did. In his first reply to me, after I had complimented him, he replied with meanie stuff. 🙁 )

Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
Kandy is right...

He usually is.

Originally posted by dadudemon
He usually is.

Yeah, and you'd best remember that when you start going off on the McDonalds lawsuit again. 😠

Originally posted by King Kandy
Yeah, and you'd best remember that when you start going off on the McDonalds lawsuit again. 😠

*Thinks about that McDonald's lawsuit, again* 313

genisis makes sure u dont die no matter what while its activated

Originally posted by yungz22
genisis makes sure u dont die no matter what while its activated

No matter what? What if she fought, like, Galactus? How about God, could God kill Tsunade while she was using genesis?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Really? I mean...really, dude? You forgot density, made tons of math mistakes on almost every last calculation, and still don't see it. Yet, I acted?

I didn't forget the density, but rather than separating density from volume which is completely unnecessary for a calculation when the density is a scalar. I kept it as mass.

Tell me, what's wrong with this formula.

a represents the linear dimension of any given parameter (i.e. circumference, length, width, breadth, curve, etc.) prior the volume transformation.

b represents the linear dimension of any given parameter (i.e. circumference, length, width, breadth, curve, etc.) after the volume transformation.

m represents the mass before the volume transformation.

M represents the mass after the volume transformation.

I proved to you that this works on, cubes, cuboid and spheres. You might test any other fix body, but as long as they have the same density and shape it will be accurate.

Originally posted by dadudemon
They don't exist, eh?

That's funny.

Cause like, you have no clue what you're talking about.

I love it.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=physics+engine


While standing corrected on the matter of that they do exist, you were wrong regarding their complexity and versatility.

I quote:

"A physics engine is computer software that provides an approximate simulation of certain simple physical systems, such as rigid body dynamics (including collision detection), soft body dynamics, and fluid dynamics, of use in the domains of computer graphics, video games and film."

It's a simple program used for simple problems. You wouldn't rely on the same program you use to enhance the realism of computer generated effects that you would creating an airplane.

So there's been a week now, did you make an attempt on the visual calculations you promised or was it all bullshit as I predicted?

Originally posted by dadudemon
That's not even close to what I was talking about.

That was what you were talking about, why else would you've responded. In the manner you did?

Originally posted by Astner
So would it if it was made of any other material too, even graphene wouldn't keep it together.

Originally posted by dadudemon
English, please. 🙂

There are no gramamtical errors, no spelling errors or any other writing errors one could think of.

Originally posted by dadudemon
But, Astner, if you want to pretend you're right to save your ego, go ahead.

Saving my ego from empty assaults? I've told you, once you find a mathematical error in my calculations I'll address them accurately.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Just make sure you pass your on-topic math by me before you post it in a vs. thread. I actually don't mind talking about this stuff and I wish more people would make an effort to use math in vs. debates, when applicable. Originally, I was happy that you tried it. Sure, you did a horrible job of actually doing things correctly, I was still proud of you.

You're wrong, plain and simple. You haven't mentioned one flaw in the formula above, you even choose to ignore one of my responses.

For all the miserable attempts you've made I've addressed all of them with no exceptions. Because unlike you I'm more interested in the truth than being right. That's also why I've made 2 concessions, and you have yet to make one. Even though you were directly disproved that the formula above only applies to perfect cubes.