Doesn't HK-47 survive until the Galactic Empire? Thus, the Sith must not have "killed" him permanently......meaning he was rebuilt. Therefore, unless somebody besides Revan was able to rebuild the droid, then....
....or Bioware could have just screwed continuity again.
Originally posted by ares834
Or they realized SW Galaxies is a piece of shit and shouldn't be considered canon.
To be fair, pre-NGE was pretty badass. When it started having Jedi as a starting class, it started to fall apart.
As for TOR versus KotOR argument, I think the main thing some of us are glossing over is that KotOR itself crapped on continuity before it became a classic, as did other bits of EU.
I mean, let's consider some of the things KotOR did "wrong" at the time of its release:
1. Jedi Order is suddenly very PT-like in terms of not allowing attachments, and in their dress. This is a stark contrast from the Order of just 40 years earlier with Kun and Ulic. The Jedi also do not wear battle armor anymore, even though earlier canon established that the Jedi wore armor right up to the Battle of Ruusan, 1,000 years before TPM.
2. PT-style lightsabers everywhere, compared to the organic or shell/claw ending sabers of aforementioned earlier timeframe. Double bladed lightsabers are common, despite at the time of the game being unique only to Maul and Kun. Kun was, at the time of release, credited with inventing the blade, but this is retconned.
3. The titles "darth" are used to describe Revan and Malak, but neither Revan or Malak are known to have received call names like Maul or Tyranus did. There is no satisfactory answer as to why the titles suddenly appeared in this time frame, since neither the Ancients nor Kun/Ulic used the titles. Use of Darth is inconsistent, starting some time before the Jedi versus Sith war culminating in Ruusan, when Kaan decided to try to abolish the practice, but was continued by Bane later.
4. Ships are noticeably PT-like in appearance compared to the earlier comic interpretations. Also, garb for Jedi and others alike is less archaic and decidedly more modern. The Sith War era comics/TotJ showed a world that was keen on sharp angles, fantasty-esque designs, and homages to ancient cultures like the Egyptians.
5. KotOR arguably turned the Mandalorians from being near-human survivors to humans with a deep rooted culture of destruction, making them powerful enough to attack the Republic on their own without direct aid from the Sith.
You could go on and on. Taken at launch, KotOR received a lot of hate from purists and people who disagreed or were too comfortable with the older portrayals of the era in the comics. TOR is getting the same feedback, apparently. Does this mean none of these concerns are legit? Of course not. But consider as you compare the two that KotOR's flaws are blurred in memory thanks to time and fun. TOR hasn't been given that chance yet.
Originally posted by Stealth MooseAs for TOR versus KotOR argument, I think the main thing some of us are glossing over is that KotOR itself crapped on continuity before it became a classic, as did other bits of EU.
I mean, let's consider some of the things KotOR did "wrong" at the time of its release:1. Jedi Order is suddenly very PT-like in terms of not allowing attachments, and in their dress. This is a stark contrast from the Order of just 40 years earlier with Kun and Ulic. The Jedi also do not wear battle armor anymore, even though earlier canon established that the Jedi wore armor right up to the Battle of Ruusan, 1,000 years before TPM.
2. PT-style lightsabers everywhere, compared to the organic or shell/claw ending sabers of aforementioned earlier timeframe. Double bladed lightsabers are common, despite at the time of the game being unique only to Maul and Kun. Kun was, at the time of release, credited with inventing the blade, but this is retconned.
3. The titles "darth" are used to describe Revan and Malak, but neither Revan or Malak are known to have received call names like Maul or Tyranus did. There is no satisfactory answer as to why the titles suddenly appeared in this time frame, since neither the Ancients nor Kun/Ulic used the titles. Use of Darth is inconsistent, starting some time before the Jedi versus Sith war culminating in Ruusan, when Kaan decided to try to abolish the practice, but was continued by Bane later.
4. Ships are noticeably PT-like in appearance compared to the earlier comic interpretations. Also, garb for Jedi and others alike is less archaic and decidedly more modern. The Sith War era comics/TotJ showed a world that was keen on sharp angles, fantasty-esque designs, and homages to ancient cultures like the Egyptians.
5. KotOR arguably turned the Mandalorians from being near-human survivors to humans with a deep rooted culture of destruction, making them powerful enough to attack the Republic on their own without direct aid from the Sith.
You could go on and on. Taken at launch, KotOR received a lot of hate from purists and people who disagreed or were too comfortable with the older portrayals of the era in the comics. TOR is getting the same feedback, apparently. Does this mean none of these concerns are legit? Of course not. But consider as you compare the two that KotOR's flaws are blurred in memory thanks to time and fun. TOR hasn't been given that chance yet. [/B]Really? I haven't seen any hate in regards to the KOTOR games. In fact, they're quite legendary. There's a difference between minor inconsistencies and replicas and flat out contradictions.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
This should be interesting.1. Where is it established that the Jedi do not wear battle armor? Also, which Jedi are wearing battle armor?
- There's no Jedi battle armor in KotOR I or II. This is obvious. In Tales of the Jedi, Jedi are shown wearing battle armor in training and in battle. Battle armor was prominent in the early Bane/Kaan comics, and the reason why it was "explained away" is that battle armor became useless after Ruusan. The concept of KotOR-era Jedi wearing nearly identical robes to one another (and in KotOR II, outright PT robes) without any explanation as to why suddenly body armor is unimportant was significant at the time the game came out.
I hope you're not referring to upgradeable items. And finally, what does the Jedi acting very PT-like have to do with continuity? Logic dictates that the Jedi wanted to change some of their philosophies following the Great Sith War. hardly a continuity error.
Right, but there's literally less than a generation between the two eras, and suddenly the Jedi's uptight and run by Vandar, someone we've never heard of or seen before in the prominent Jedi of Kun's era, and the doctrine he, Vrook, and the others of the council preach is nearly identical to PT teachings. This makes sense if you rationalize it as a reaction to the Sith Wars, but it's presented as too complete of a merger. Instead of there being ongoing changes to facilitate this, it's as if all Jedi always did this. There's no schisms over Jedi being cut off from families and lovers, no debates, no notable splinter sects from this event. It's almost like everyone went from using Office 07 to Office 2010 overnight.
It ruins immersion when a major social change in the Jedi is handled as clumsily as that.
Wait what? Who had shell/claw ending sabers?
tdtd, go read the comics. The sabers of the TOTJ/Sith War timeline and before are distinct in appearance. In KotOR, ALL of the sabers look like generic metal tubes, similar to sabers in the movies. This is a huge inconsistency in design, since suddenly everyone went from having unique and archaic looking sabers to having sabers identical to an era four thousand years later.
Also, please show me where Maul's blade was "unique"? If by "unique" you mean "not used by anyone anymore", you are correct. And since KOTOR is 40+ years after Kun, nothing stops anybody from making a double blade, although they're drastically different than Kun's. Again, no continuity problem here.
Again, missing the point. Maul and Kun were unique in that they both used double bladed lightsabers, something we don't see used among Sith or Jedi in any significant numbers.
Then comes KotOR, and suddenly double bladed lightsabers are not only in vogue, there's nearly commonplace. The Jedi have not demonstrated using this type of saber. It was completely novel when Kun used it. Are you expecting me to believe that the Jedi extended the handle and implemented it in forty years while they were busy preaching isolationism, lack of attachment, and somehow not tearing apart at the seams?
Really?
Again, what you just typed isn't stated anywhere. Kun and Ulic were the last sith to use non darth names (if we exclude the True Sith), and Revan and Malak just added "darth" to their names. Explain how this is a continuity issue.
Don't be ridiculous. The term "Darth" literally coming out of the wood-work without explanation was a huge point of contention when the game came out. Fans of SW EU were perplexed, because the Sith had not used Darth at all up until this point. So KotOR took something that was common later and uncommon early and basically gave it a starting point that goes "Two great Jedi went off into unknown space, and came back with Darth titles."
You don't find this unsettling?
Five years prior to their emergence as Sith Lords (3,964 BBY), the title "Darth" was already well known by the Jedi in connection to the Sith, which is why Padawan Zayne Carrick could call Jarael "Darth Sunshine". In addition, Haazen claimed that if he were to take a name like the Sith of old, it would be "Darth Hayze," all but asserting that the title Darth was around prior to Revan and Malak's discovery.[1]
The comics further makes it worse, establishing that the Jedi knew about the Darth title... but again, it's not even mentioned 40 years prior. So the realistic explanations are thus:
1. Darth existed, but even though it's recognized as a title of awe and respect among Sith, none of them saw fit to use it.
2. **** earlier canon, Darth darth darth.
I don't see a continuity issue here, maybe a lack of imagination.
Again, refer to the comics set just 40 years prior. Ships are bulkier looking, sharper angles, antennae, large gun turrets, etc. Then not even half a century later, total sleekness in design. The KotOR design team deliberately ignored earlier depictions and favored modern movie setting ones. And it's not addressed any more than the suddenly straight-laced Jedi Order is with any kind of answer, much less a flimsy one.
What were they before?
Reading helps really. They were near-human sentients. Powerful Mandalorian figures were not pure humans, but this is retconned with KotOR and later media, making humans Mandalorian because they came to be ruled by Mandalorians at some point in time.
Really? I haven't seen any hate in regards to the KOTOR games. In fact, they're quite legendary. There's a difference between minor inconsistencies and replicas and flat out contradictions.
See above. I've illustrated my points very clearly, you just seem to be unaware of the validity of them and the earlier canon material which they contradict.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
There's no Jedi battle armor in KotOR I or II. This is obvious. In Tales of the Jedi, Jedi are shown wearing battle armor in training and in battle. Battle armor was prominent in the early Bane/Kaan comics, and the reason why it was "explained away" is that battle armor became useless after Ruusan. The concept of KotOR-era Jedi wearing nearly identical robes to one another (and in KotOR II, outright PT robes) without any explanation as to why suddenly body armor is unimportant was significant at the time the game came out.
Right, but there's literally less than a generation between the two eras, and suddenly the Jedi's uptight and run by Vandar, someone we've never heard of or seen before in the prominent Jedi of Kun's era, and the doctrine he, Vrook, and the others of the council preach is nearly identical to PT teachings. This makes sense if you rationalize it as a reaction to the Sith Wars, but it's presented as too complete of a merger. Instead of there being ongoing changes to facilitate this, it's as if all Jedi always did this. There's no schisms over Jedi being cut off from families and lovers, no debates, no notable splinter sects from this event. It's almost like everyone went from using Office 07 to Office 2010 overnight.It ruins immersion when a major social change in the Jedi is handled as clumsily as that.
tdtd, go read the comics. The sabers of the TOTJ/Sith War timeline and before are distinct in appearance. In KotOR, ALL of the sabers look like generic metal tubes, similar to sabers in the movies. This is a huge inconsistency in design, since suddenly everyone went from having unique and archaic looking sabers to having sabers identical to an era four thousand years later.
Again, missing the point. Maul and Kun were unique in that they both used double bladed lightsabers, something we don't see used among Sith or Jedi in any significant numbers.
Then comes KotOR, and suddenly double bladed lightsabers are not only in vogue, there's nearly commonplace. The Jedi have not demonstrated using this type of saber. It was completely novel when Kun used it. Are you expecting me to believe that the Jedi extended the handle and implemented it in forty years while they were busy preaching isolationism, lack of attachment, and somehow not tearing apart at the seams?Really?
Don't be ridiculous. The term "Darth" literally coming out of the wood-work without explanation was a huge point of contention when the game came out. Fans of SW EU were perplexed, because the Sith had not used Darth at all up until this point. So KotOR took something that was common later and uncommon early and basically gave it a starting point that goes "Two great Jedi went off into unknown space, and came back with Darth titles."You don't find this unsettling?
Five years prior to their emergence as Sith Lords (3,964 BBY), the title "Darth" was already well known by the Jedi in connection to the Sith, which is why Padawan Zayne Carrick could call Jarael "Darth Sunshine". In addition, Haazen claimed that if he were to take a name like the Sith of old, it would be "Darth Hayze," all but asserting that the title Darth was around prior to Revan and Malak's discovery.[1]
The comics further makes it worse, establishing that the Jedi knew about the Darth title... but again, it's not even mentioned 40 years prior. So the realistic explanations are thus:1. Darth existed, but even though it's recognized as a title of awe and respect among Sith, none of them saw fit to use it.
2. **** earlier canon, Darth darth darth.
Again, refer to the comics set just 40 years prior. Ships are bulkier looking, sharper angles, antennae, large gun turrets, etc. Then not even half a century later, total sleekness in design. The KotOR design team deliberately ignored earlier depictions and favored modern movie setting ones. And it's not addressed any more than the suddenly straight-laced Jedi Order is with any kind of answer, much less a flimsy one.
Reading helps really. They were near-human sentients. Powerful Mandalorian figures were not pure humans, but this is retconned with KotOR and later media, making humans Mandalorian because they came to be ruled by Mandalorians at some point in time.
See above. I've illustrated my points very clearly, you just seem to be unaware of the validity of them and the earlier canon material which they contradict. [/B]The only thing you've demonstrated is a lack of understanding of continuity and a great argument for why the more time goes by, the less originals writers and game developers get. Congratulations, you've stated the obvious!
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Wait, so you're comparing video games to the comics? There's a reason we don't compare Korriban from KOTOR to Korriban from Jedi Academy.
Level design isn't in question. Accurate portrayal of an entire universe is the concern. Everything looks and feels entirely different. KotOR is closer to the PT than the actual EU material which immediately predates it. There's nothing tying the era of Kun/Ulic and the era of Revan/Malak at all. Stylistically, atmosphere-wise, they're completely different.
Sure, but you argued continuity.
This is a continuity problem.
con·ti·nu·i·ty   [kon-tn-oo-i-tee, -tn-yoo] Show IPA
noun, plural -ties.
1.
the state or quality of being continuous.
This shouldn't be rocket science. You've likely had more continuous schooling then myself at this point.
Still trying the tdtd thing when you get defensive? Amusing. I have the comics right here, and once again, you're comparing comic books to video games. Unless you have a source that in some way states what the Jedi used during that period, this isn't a continuity issue.
It IS a continuity issue.
Their uniqueness is irrelevant. Explain how this is a continuity issue.
All lightsabers everywhere closely resemble an era 4k years in the future, and look nothing like the sabers of only 40 years prior.
So something that is far fetched (albeit still believable) equates to continuity problems?
The concept of the Jedi adopting a saber build that only Kun possessed in such a short time should be addressed, or else it strikes the viewer as a huge consistency error.
Yet again, uncommon and unsettling=/= continuity errors.There may be something to that unless the creators already dealt with the concept of "true sith".
Once again, unrealistic or poorly defined does NOT equate to a lack of continuity.
And for the millionth time, this is not a continuity error. I'm starting to think you have no idea what that means.
Yes, reading helps, so does including prior source material to label something a "continuity error."
The only thing you've demonstrated is a lack of understanding of continuity and a great argument for why the more time goes by, the less originals writers and game developers get. Congratulations, you've stated the obvious!
More nonsense. Obviously you do not know what truly is a continuity problem here. What KotOR does aesthetically and with certain parts of canon is essentially is ignore earlier canon in the forms of the comics (which predate the game by years) and make something that is the PT era with some minor changes. This coupled with obviously PT-influenced changes that ignore aforementioned earlier canon (PT Jedi Order values which remain absolute without signs of upheaval or change at all, Darth titles which are entirely knew at this time, yet in-universe are claimed to be well known to even the Jedi padawans) means KotOR has more continuity problems than a Lord of the Rings where Sauron wins.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Level design isn't in question. Accurate portrayal of an entire universe is the concern. Everything looks and feels entirely different. KotOR is closer to the PT than the actual EU material which immediately predates it. There's nothing tying the era of Kun/Ulic and the era of Revan/Malak at all. Stylistically, atmosphere-wise, they're completely different.
con·ti·nu·i·ty   [kon-tn-oo-i-tee, -tn-yoo] Show IPAObviously. Except you haven't pointed out many, if any, continuity problems. Show us canon sources for everything you just stated. What sabers the jedi used in what time period, what armor, etc..
noun, plural -ties.
1.
the state or quality of being continuous.This shouldn't be rocket science. You've likely had more continuous schooling then myself at this point.
All lightsabers everywhere closely resemble an era 4k years in the future, and look nothing like the sabers of only 40 years prior.
The concept of the Jedi adopting a saber build that only Kun possessed in such a short time should be addressed, or else it strikes the viewer as a huge consistency error.
More nonsense. Obviously you do not know what truly is a continuity problem here. What KotOR does aesthetically and with certain parts of canon is essentially is ignore earlier canon in the forms of the comics (which predate the game by years) and make something that is the PT era with some minor changes. This coupled with obviously PT-influenced changes that ignore aforementioned earlier canon (PT Jedi Order values which remain absolute without signs of upheaval or change at all, Darth titles which are entirely knew at this time, yet in-universe are claimed to be well known to even the Jedi padawans) means KotOR has more continuity problems than a Lord of the Rings where Sauron wins. [/B]You still lack the understanding of continuity and mistake it for aesthetics. Since you apparently pride yourself on reading, go back to the example of the Highlander series. THAT is a continuity issue. An argument of jedi attire and weaponry is NOT..
The irony if your entire argument is that the one game that DOES possess severe continuity issues, is also the one game you happen to be defending.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
What is accurate portrayal? Continuity becomes a problem when there are canon characteristics of something. Who cares if KOTOR is closer to PT? Again, it isn't original.
Missing the point. KotOR draws almost no material from the much nearer and more bearing era than from one in which it has only thematic ties to. Nothing looks anything like it did just forty years before. The Jedi Order is universally different. The Sith introduce new prestigious titles which everyone knows, except for the eras immediately preceding the game era. All the sabers look like PT sabers. The ships resemble the sleek designs of the PT versus the clunky ships of the TOTJ/TSW era which is again, closer and should have a greater impact.
That's inconsistency. It's non-continuous. And it's clearly an issue. If you refuse to acknowledge it because you have a bug up your ass, well, that doesn't make my argument invalid.
Obviously. Except you haven't pointed out many, if any, continuity problems. Show us canon sources for everything you just stated. What sabers the jedi used in what time period, what armor, etc..
You're kidding me, right? I have to show you canon sources of things you can look up in the comics you claim you have easy access to? Don't waste my time here. I should not have to prove what is so clearly visible to those with the source material. This would be like having to prove Yoda is green or Obi-Wan had a beard and was white.
No, it's a "too lazy to address" error. Just because there isn't an explanation for you doesn't make it a continuity issue. You're a "logical" guy, come up with some objective, logical reasons.
Right. So if a medium fails to address inconsistencies, I lose the ability to call it lack of continuity and must provide my own objective viewpoint? So ****ing up established canon is being "too lazy to address" error, not continuity problems?
LMFAO.
You really are trolling now. I get it.
You still lack the understanding of continuity and mistake it for aesthetics. Since you apparently pride yourself on reading, go back to the example of the Highlander series. THAT is a continuity issue. An argument of jedi attire and weaponry is NOT..
Nice trolling attempt. I won't bite again.
Conclusion:
1. Medium creators were too lazy to explain. Therefore, make up your own rationalization. But remember - it's not a continuity problem if they're too lazy, right?
2. Prove to me that sabers, armor, clothes and ships look different in visual media which I own.
3. Rofl troll u no nothin i rule all sarcasm!!!1111
Did I nail your stance just right?
^ Too lazy to correct. Make up your own objective viewpoint on why Moe can magically change his beer labels without a third arm.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Missing the point. KotOR draws almost no material from the much nearer and more bearing era than from one in which it has only thematic ties to. Nothing looks anything like it did just forty years before. The Jedi Order is universally different. The Sith introduce new prestigious titles which everyone knows, except for the eras immediately preceding the game era. All the sabers look like PT sabers. The ships resemble the sleek designs of the PT versus the clunky ships of the TOTJ/TSW era which is again, closer and should have a greater impact.
That's inconsistency. It's non-continuous. And it's clearly an issue. If you refuse to acknowledge it because you have a bug up your ass, well, that doesn't make my argument invalid.
You're kidding me, right? I have to show you canon sources of things you can look up in the comics you claim you have easy access to? Don't waste my time here. I should not have to prove what is so clearly visible to those with the source material. This would be like having to prove Yoda is green or Obi-Wan had a beard and was white.
Right. So if a medium fails to address inconsistencies, I lose the ability to call it lack of continuity and must provide my own objective viewpoint? So ****ing up established canon is being "too lazy to address" error, not continuity problems?LMFAO.
You really are trolling now. I get it.
1. Medium creators were too lazy to explain. Therefore, make up your own rationalization. But remember - it's not a continuity problem if they're too lazy, right?
2. Prove to me that sabers, armor, clothes and ships look different in visual media which I own.
3. Rofl troll u no nothin i rule all sarcasm!!!1111Did I nail your stance just right?
^ Too lazy to correct. Make up your own objective viewpoint on why Moe can magically change his beer labels without a third arm. [/B]
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Right, but there's literally less than a generation between the two eras, and suddenly the Jedi's uptight and run by Vandar, someone we've never heard of or seen before in the prominent Jedi of Kun's era, and the doctrine he, Vrook, and the others of the council preach is nearly identical to PT teachings. This makes sense if you rationalize it as a reaction to the Sith Wars, but it's presented as too complete of a merger. Instead of there being ongoing changes to facilitate this, it's as if all Jedi always did this. There's no schisms over Jedi being cut off from families and lovers, no debates, no notable splinter sects from this event. It's almost like everyone went from using Office 07 to Office 2010 overnight.It ruins immersion when a major social change in the Jedi is handled as clumsily as that.
Don't forget that immediately after the Great War the Grandmaster of the Order was Nomi Sunrider, a woman who had had a husband and was raising a child. And hell, who had already seen the redemptive powers of attachment between her daughter and Ulic Qel'Droma.
And this was a mere 20 years before Kotor.
You also forgot that Jolee mentions that he married his wife in secret. He also talks about how the Jedi are against emotions and love. And he's been on Kashyyyk since the Great War. Again, this was the same time as Nomi was running around. And Bioware did know about her because he mentions her.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Don't forget that immediately after the Great War the Grandmaster of the Order was Nomi Sunrider, a woman who had had a husband and was raising a child. And hell, who had already seen the redemptive powers of attachment between her daughter and Ulic Qel'Droma.
You also forgot that Jolee mentions that he married his wife in secret. He also talks about how the Jedi are against emotions and love. And he's been on Kashyyyk since the Great War. Again, this was the same time as Nomi was running around. And Bioware did know about her because he mentions her. [/B]
I don't recall him being on Kashyyk for 40 years, how old do you think he is? Anyways he would know about Nomi for fighting with her..
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Not a continuity issue. I agree Nomi being Grandmaster so soon is just a way for the creators to not think of something new but when most of the other influential jedi are dead, kinda puts you at the top of the list.I don't recall him being on Kashyyk for 40 years, how old do you think he is? Anyways he would know about Nomi for fighting with her..
In my mind it is a continuity error that the Jedi go from Nomi, actual mother, to Vrook, beligerent *******, in about 20 years. Its such a massive 180 in doctrine and its not even mentioned. Its never explained how things go to shit so freaking quickly. It is a continuity error when you completely change the Jedi orders entire philosophy and never actually mention how or why.
Well ok, its only about 20 years, he runs around as a smuggle for a while. But the fact remains. He talks about the Jedi suppressing emotion and not allowing wives etc in the same era where the Grandmaster of the Order is a wife and mother. And he left the Jedi right after the Great War so the only way he could know about the anti-emotion doctrine was if it was going on during teh Great war.
Hell, Vima Sunrider was one of the Exile's mentors, and she was the one who actually redeemed Qel'Droma through love and compassion. So for her to exist in an order where those two things are actively discouraged is baffling.
Originally posted by Nephthys
In my mind it is a continuity error that the Jedi go from Nomi, actual mother, to Vrook, beligerent *******, in about 20 years. Its such a massive 180 in doctrine and its not even mentioned. Its never explained how things go to shit so freaking quickly. It is a continuity error when you completely change the Jedi orders entire philosophy and never actually mention how or why.
Well ok, its only about 20 years, he runs around as a smuggle for a while. But the fact remains. He talks about the Jedi suppressing emotion and not allowing wives etc in the same era where the Grandmaster of the Order is a wife and mother. And he left the Jedi right after the Great War so the only way he could know about the anti-emotion doctrine was if it was going on during teh Great war.
Hell, Vima Sunrider was one of the Exile's mentors, and she was the one who actually redeemed Qel'Droma through love and compassion. So for her to exist in an order where those two things are actively discouraged is baffling. [/B]This doesn't make any sense in terms of continuity problems. You don't like the way they addressed things, get in line.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Why is it a continuity issue if you don't get an explanation? We didn't need an explanation after the Battle of Ruusan did we? Since there are similarities in the entire EU, I don't think we needed an explanation after the GSW either. And Vrook isn't a Grandmaster lol.Not a continuity error because the jedi have at times, been hypocritical with their ideals. Also, anti emotion doctrine? That's pretty much existed since the birth of the Jedi Order.
This doesn't make any sense in terms of continuity problems. You don't like the way they addressed things, get in line.
Well becuase as Janus told you continuity refers to 'a state or quality of being continuous'. That the Jedi order just goes from Nomi to creepy sexless monks inside of a generation is bad enough, because a practice ceasing to be continuous is an issue of continuity, but that theres no mention of it makes it a pretty ****ing big continuity error.
What explanation after the Battle of Ruusan? What needed to be explained? But, thats an issue of a thousand years, not 30, so its not really applicable.
Vrook was an example, I know he wasn't the Grandmaster.
Hypocritical?! What the ****!? She's the Grandmaster who rebuilt the Order after the Great War! Fvck, she was only a Jedi because she freaking married one! And you are sadly misinformed about the doctrine. The orginal Jedi Code was:
Emotion, yet peace.
Ignorance, yet knowledge.
Passion, yet serenity.
Chaos, yet harmony.
Death, yet the Force.
Yeah it is an issue of continuity. Jolee refers to marriage and love as being actively discouraged in an time where the Grandmaster of the Order is a wife and mother.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Well becuase as Janus told you continuity refers to 'a state or quality of being continuous'. That the Jedi order just goes from Nomi to creepy sexless monks inside of a generation is bad enough, because a practice ceasing to be continuous is an issue of continuity, but that theres no mention of it makes it a pretty ****ing big continuity error.What explanation after the Battle of Ruusan? What needed to be explained? But, thats an issue of a thousand years, not 30, so its not really applicable.
Hypocritical?! What the ****!? She's the Grandmaster who [b]rebuilt the Order after the Great War! Fvck, she was only a Jedi because she freaking married one! And you are sadly misinformed about the doctrine. The orginal Jedi Code was:Emotion, yet peace.
Ignorance, yet knowledge.
Passion, yet serenity.
Chaos, yet harmony.
Death, yet the Force.Yeah it is an issue of continuity. Jolee refers to marriage and love as being actively discouraged in an time where the Grandmaster of the Order is a wife and mother. [/B]
The Jedi code was revamped by Odan Urr a long time before the GSW.. Where's the continuity problem?
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Again, the Jedi completely changed their order within the first few years after Ruusan. You're basically saying because you didn't get an explanation on why the Jedi did t after the GSW, it's a continuity error.http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi_code
The Jedi code was revamped by Odan Urr a long time before the GSW.. Where's the continuity problem?
They didn't change philosophically at all however. All that happened was that they stopped using armor and being so militarily focused because the Senate was worried about more war. After Redemption, the Jedi Order does a complete 180 and turn into their PT versions without explanation. I agree with Janus that this is a continuity issue.
I was merely correcting you. However, you cannot disagree that in the comic the Kotor-Jedi's issues to do with non-attachment are completely absent. Nomi was married and had a child, forming a romantic relationship with Ulic right in front of her fellow Jedi Knights. Sylvar and Crado were life-long mates, again, right in front of other jedi, as well as Vodo. Odan Urr's code was widely confusing and had many differing interpretations. It does not speak against emotion, nor does it speak against attachment, as we see both were allowed in the Great War era.