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Rogue Jedi Restricted

Originally posted by Robtard
Lesser Jedi blocked thousands and thousands of bolts from hundreds and hundreds of droids, yet they fared well considering the numbers, in AoTC.

When have I ever questioned a Jedi's ability to do this?

Deathspells aren't touching any of these Jedi/Sith. Fiendfyre being physical could be Force-pushed back onto the caster. Flying potions, lol, are you serious; this makes sense to you? No, dude, no.

So the force users will force push away the fiendfyre, avoid the death spells, avoid the draught potion being dropped upon them, and avoid all the other shit the wizards throw at them? No, dude. No.

How does flying potions make no sense? Harry is capable of making a perfect living draught potion. There ARE levitation charms. Brew the potion, levitate a cauldron full of it, and drop it on the force users. "One drop will kill us all." And if the force users see the potion and force push it away, they are hit by a death spell, or fiendfyre gets them. They can only do so much, dude.

Think about what weapons the force users have here. Two guys who can do force lightning, one who can do force choke, all can do force pull/push, and their saber skills. The wizards are gonna be everywhere at once, force lightning MIGHT get a couple of them, MAYBE. Force choke? IF Vader gets ahold of a wizard with force choke, the wizard simply apparates away. Same with force pull, if a force used force pulls a wizard to them, the wizard simply apparates away. Also, IF Vader gets a wizard in a force choke, Anapneo:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spells_in_Harry_Potter

Anapneo

Pronunciation: /É™ËˆnÃ¦pniË.oÊŠ/ É™-NAP-nee-oh
Description: Clears the target's airway, if blocked.
Seen/mentioned: Shown in Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, Horace Slughorn casts this spell on Marcus Belby when the latter begins to choke.

Lol, there's prisoners and police here? Jedi mind-trick.

Excellent counter. Now all we have to do is debate what is stronger, Oppugno or the Jedi mind trick. Considering that the Jedi mind trick only works on the weak minded, I'm going with Oppugno. And Oppugno can be used on anything. Rocks, people, anything.

No, the wizards who lack precog and are much slower overall will be overwhelmed, is the more likely scenario. Many a wizard will die in mid spell-cast. [/B]

Ah, the precog. In the Potter/Vader thread, it was proven that Vader did not sense Han Solo at the battle of Yavin because Vader had his attention focused elsewhere. Well, with fiendfyre, death spells and other spells and potions flying around, the Jedi, all of them, will be dividing their attention in different places all at once.

So, your precog? SEVERELY hampered.

Impediment Endless

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So the force users will force push away the fiendfyre, avoid the death spells, avoid the draught potion being dropped upon them, and avoid all the other shit the wizards throw at them? No, dude. No.

Sounds to me like you've already chosen a victor. But, everyone's balanced, say you.

I need not a Magic 8-Ball too foresee the direction of this thread.

I'm done. I have better things to do.

Rogue Jedi Restricted

Originally posted by Impediment
Sounds to me like you've already chosen a victor. But, everyone's balanced, say you.
I need not a Magic 8-Ball too foresee the direction of this thread.
I'm done. I have better things to do.

What's the problem? It's an even number of combatants, it's the best force users against the best wizards, it's neutral ground, they have all their powers, what is it? I even left out the hocruxes to make it fair. I don't see what everyone is bitching about.

dadudemon Senior Member

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So the force users will force push away the fiendfyre, avoid the death spells, avoid the draught potion being dropped upon them, and avoid all the other shit the wizards throw at them? No, dude. No.

Yes, that's exactly what would happen. 😬

On top of that, the jedi just force push all of the wizards, at the begining of the fight, so hard and so fast that they all smash against a hard surface and die...except for Dumb and Vold.

They Apparate out and the Emperor force storms their @ss right as they appear while Vader and Dooku force choke them. They both die in 2 seconds.

The end.

Rogue Jedi Restricted

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yes, that's exactly what would happen. 😬
On top of that, the jedi just force push all of the wizards, at the begining of the fight, so hard and so fast that they all smash against a hard surface and die...except for Dumb and Vold.
They Apparate out and the Emperor force storms their @ss right as they appear while Vader and Dooku force choke them. They both die in 2 seconds.
The end.

Strategy, dude, strategy. If the wizards know what the force users can do, they won't go toe to toe with them. They will attack from afar, they will apparate in and out, they will be everywhere at once.

IF a force user gets them in a force push/pull, the wizard apparates out of it and attacks again.

Force push? Useless here.
Froce pull? Useless here.
Force choke? Also useless.
Precog? Severely hampered.

100 times out of 100, wizards curbstomp the force users.

Blinky Android First Class

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

Force push? Useless here.
Froce pull? Useless here.
Force choke? Also useless.
Precog? Severely hampered.

Next thing we know you'll be saying:

Decapitation by lightsabre? Useless here.

Rogue Jedi Restricted

Originally posted by Blinky
Next thing we know you'll be saying:
Decapitation by lightsabre? Useless here.

No, that would be quite effective.

Force push? Force choke? Force pull? The wizard apparates away, simple as that. So yeah, useless.

dadudemon Senior Member

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Strategy, dude, strategy. If the wizards know what the force users can do, they won't go toe to toe with them. They will attack from afar, they will apparate in and out, they will be everywhere at once.
IF a force user gets them in a force push/pull, the wizard apparates out of it and attacks again.
Force push? Useless here.
Froce pull? Useless here.
Force choke? Also useless.
Precog? Severely hampered.
100 times out of 100, wizards curbstomp the force users.

Since the Jedi use Far-Seeing to see exactly what will happen, they predict everything and r@pe. You shouldn't have given them prep. teeeeeeheeeee!

Pwned!

Force Push? Perfectly usable here. Show me one time where ANY wizard or witch aparated out of being knocked back when hit with something that knocks them back like a spell. 🙂

On that note, I'm not taking this as seriously as others might be...I'm just trying to have fun.

Rogue Jedi Restricted

Originally posted by dadudemon
Since the Jedi use Far-Seeing to see exactly what will happen, they predict everything and r@pe. You shouldn't have given them prep. teeeeeeheeeee!
Pwned!
Force Push? Perfectly usable here. Show me one time where ANY wizard or witch aparated out of being knocked back when hit with something that knocks them back like a spell. 🙂
On that note, I'm not taking this as seriously as others might be...I'm just trying to have fun.

I know, babe, you act like I dont know you. heartbeat

But seriously, this thread isn't getting any hits because it's obvious that the wizards pwn the force users, and the HP haters can't STAND it.

See what happens, people? See what happens when we take the best HP wizards and the best SW force users, place them on neutral ground, give them their weapons/powers, and have them see who is the best?

Wizards win, all day, every day, 24/7, 365. HP magic is stronger than the force. Wizards are stronger than Force users.

✅

dadudemon Senior Member

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I know, babe, you act like I dont know you. heartbeat
But seriously, this thread isn't getting any hits because it's obvious that the wizards pwn the force users, and the HP haters can't STAND it.
See what happens, people? See what happens when we take the best HP wizards and the best SW force users, place them on neutral ground, give them their weapons/powers, and have them see who is the best?
Wizards win, all day, every day, 24/7, 365. HP magic is stronger than the force. Wizards are stronger than Force users.
✅

I think you should have given the magic users Felix Felicis potion.

😐

Just to make it fair.

And, I disagree.

Wizards with their best weapons can beat anyone except Manhattan and people similar to that. Force users with their best weapons still lose: what does the sun crusher do against a large group of powerful wizards that just sipped some Felicis? Should do nothing, by all accounts.

Rogue Jedi Restricted

Originally posted by dadudemon
I think you should have given the magic users Felix Felicis potion.
😐
Just to make it fair.
And, I disagree.
Wizards with their best weapons can beat anyone except Manhattan and people similar to that. Force users with their best weapons still lose: what does the sun crusher do against a large group of powerful wizards that just sipped some Felicis? Should do nothing, by all accounts.

No one cares what you think, ***.

Robtard Senor Member

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
But seriously, this thread isn't getting any hits because it's obvious that the wizards pwn the force users, and the HP haters can't STAND it.
See what happens, people? See what happens when we take the best HP wizards and the best SW force users, place them on neutral ground, give them their weapons/powers, and have them see who is the best?
Wizards win, all day, every day, 24/7, 365. HP magic is stronger than the force. Wizards are stronger than Force users.
✅

No, nothing like that. Jedi win is more likely, for reasons stated in the 1st page.

I suspect people just aren't interested in getting into yet another debate with you where you simply refuse to accept that your beloved wizards lose, at least not so soon.

We've just had the Potter Vs Vader thread, where you did the typical 'gimp the guy you want lose while boosting the guy you want win' sing-and-dance routine; this thread is bound to turn the same way. Too soon, dude. Too soon.

Rogue Jedi Restricted

Originally posted by Robtard
No, nothing like that. Jedi win is more likely, for reasons stated in the 1st page.
I suspect people just aren't interested in getting into yet another debate with you where you simply refuse to accept that your beloved wizards lose, at least not so soon.
We've just had the Potter Vs Vader thread, where you did the typical 'gimp the guy you want lose while boosting the guy you want win' sing-and-dance routine; this thread is bound to turn the same way. Too soon, dude. Too soon.

How you figure?

Here's what the Jedi/Sith can attack with:

Force pull: The wizard apparates away, problem solved.

Force push: The wizard apparates away, problem solved.

Force choke: The wizard apparates away, problem solved.

Force lightning: The wizard apparates away, problem solved.

Saber attack: The wizards aren't fools, they aren't gonna go toe to toe with the Jedi/Sith. They will attack from afar, and with more than the Jedi/Sith can handle.

Precog: Severely Hampered: So much will be going on around them, the Jedi/Sith can only concentrate on so many things at once. Don't agree? OK, question....Hey, Rob, in ANH, why didn't Vader sense the Falcon attacking him at the battle of Yavin? Also, why didn't he sense the TIE that barreled into his TIE? Hmm?

So, what's left? Nothing. Wizards are stronger, stop denying it. "Jedi win is more likely", PROVE IT.

Robtard Senor Member

Exactly, you're gimping the Jedi and taking away their precog and speed, while simultaneously turning the wizards into some sort of super-tanks.

-Force-choked, they're not casting spells, they're spitting, gurgling and dieing. Some might work their way out wih a spell/attack, but not most.

-Force-pushed, their being knocked about, knocked out or possibly killed.

-Force-crush, incapacitated; likely dead.

-Force-pull, likely to be disoriented for a bit, but this one you may have a point.

-Force-lighting, wizards are fried, as they're not faster than the speed of lightning, dude.

So like I said, this is why people are avoiding this thread, typical biased tactics of gimping and boosting who you see fit.

Rogue Jedi Restricted

Originally posted by Robtard
Exactly, you're gimping the Jedi and taking away their precog and speed, while simultaneously turning the wizards into some sort of super-tanks.

Nope. I haven't taken away anything. The wizards have.

Precog? Hardly useful because of all the shit happening at once.

Force speed? Dumbledore casts Aresto Momentum:

http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Aresto_Momentum

Aresto Momentum (ah-REST-oh mo-MEN-tum) is a spell that slows or stops the movement of an object. Albus Dumbledore used this charm wandlessly to slow Harry Potter's fall during a Quidditch match in 1993, when he was overcome by Dementors.

-Force-choked, they're not casting spells, they're spitting, gurgling and dieing.

Nah, they just apparate out of it. It's not a verbal spell like Expelliarmus, they think it, then they do it, nothing can stop them. Look it up.

-Force-pushed, their being knocked about, knocked out or possibly killed.

Nah, they just apparate out of it. It's not a verbal spell like Expelliarmus, they think it, then they do it, nothing can stop them. Look it up.

-Force-crush, incapacitated; likely dead.

Nah, only Vader can do that. If he does it, he leaves himself open to be spelld or for fiendfyre.

-Force-pull, likely to be disoriented for a bit, but this one you may have a point.

Nah, they just apparate out of it. It's not a verbal spell like Expelliarmus, they think it, then they do it, nothing can stop them. Look it up.

-Force-lighting, wizards are fried, as they're not faster than the speed of lightning, dude.

Nah, they just apparate out of it. It's not a verbal spell like Expelliarmus, they think it, then they do it, nothing can stop them. Look it up. Force lightning takes a while to kill, it's not instant.

So like I said, this is why people are avoiding this thread, typical biased tactics of gimping and boosting who you see fit.

Nah, it's just that no one wants to admit the true extent of a wizards power.

Everything the force users have the wizards can counter in their sleep.

One more time:

http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Aresto_Momentum

Aresto Momentum (ah-REST-oh mo-MEN-tum) is a spell that slows or stops the movement of an object. Albus Dumbledore used this charm wandlessly to slow Harry Potter's fall during a Quidditch match in 1993, when he was overcome by Dementors.

Get it? Got it? Good.

Robtard Senor Member

How nice of you to decide precog is no longer useful in a fight. Considering that, there's no real reason to counter the rest, it'd be pointless.

Enjoy your thread.

Rogue Jedi Restricted

Originally posted by Robtard
How nice of you to decide precog is no longer useful. Considering that, there's no real reason to counter the rest, it'd be pointless.
Enjoy your thread.

You don't get it, man. Vaders precog was hampered in ANH because he was focusing on Luke and the other X Wings. He didn't sense Solo, and he didn't sense the TIE that crippled his ship.

Here, the force users will be dealing with fiendfyre, death spells, deadly potions being dropped from above, their comrades being frozen where they stand (Aresto Momentum, incarcerous and Petrificus Totalus), Being blown hundreds of feet into the air and dropping to the pavement (levicorpus), being blown to bits by Reducto, being tortured by crucio, impedimenta and imperio, engorgio, prisoners being turned on them, shield charms, sectumsempra (basically a sword that can attack from hundreds of feet away), apparating and half apparating wizards, and Lord knows what else.

You telling me that with all this shit going on at once, their precog will work perfectly? P-uh-leez, you're grasping at straws, reaching. It's embarassing.

In closing, there IS no countering the rest, there IS no countering any of it. Wizards are on a whole different level than force users, superior in every possible way.

Robtard Senor Member

It's 20 on 20, dude, [weaker] Jedi have faced far greater numbers and their precog didn't insta-fail. So why is it going to just fail now?

Answer:

Spoiler:
Because you desperately need it to so your boy-wizard can win.

Rogue Jedi Restricted

Originally posted by Robtard
It's 20 on 20, dude, [weaker] Jedi have faced far greater numbers and their precog didn't insta-fail. So why is it going to just fail now?
Answer:
Spoiler:
Because you desperately need it to so your boy-wizard can win.

Could those greater numbers do the things that the wizards can do? Nope.

The force users faced slow moving droids with shit aim. Got pwned to, saved by the Clones.

Answer, as stated above: Wizards are on a whole different level than force users, superior in every possible way.

Robtard Senor Member

Okay, you've convinced me, Force-precog isn't useful in a fight, Force-choke is nothing much and people can do anything they like while at the receiving end of Force-lightning.

Going to be funny when you're in a 'Jedi Vs Anything except Harry Potter' thread and suddenly those Force abilities you downplay into shit suddenly are the end-all; be-all. Good times.