Originally posted by Robtard
Except you're ignoring it's 20 on 20, or 1 on 1. Each Jedi need only focus and kick the shit out of one (or possible a few) wizard.You imagine the wizards, who are all basically human and will be casting spells, while flying, teleporting and [LoL!!!!!!!] "dropping potions from the sky" at some sort of insanely possible speed where the Jedi's/Sith's precog won't function.
This is of course ridiculous going from what we see in the films. But you're a hopeless Harry Potter fanboy, so it's futile debating with you when boy-Potter is concerned. Notice how you stipulated that Potter has his cloak of invisible, telling how you must have him survive.
You just said it, it's 20 on 20, a TEAM effort, dude. One on one tactics fail here, miserably.
Yeah, and the Jedi are basically human too. Point? I IMAGINE the wizards will be flying, APPARATING, and casting spells? How am I IMAGINING this? This is what they do, man. And yes, apparating= insanely possible speed.
What trumps the precog is the AMOUNT of activity going on, the NUMBER of threats/attacks the wizard can produce, all at once. If a force user is focusing on force blocking a wall of fiendfyre, then how are they gonna block a death spell?
The force users have nothing here, dude, unless the wizards do one of the following:
1. Choose not to apparate.
2. Go toe to toe with them.
And as for Harry's cloak, why wouldn't he have it? With 30 minutes prep tim, if YOU were Potter, wouldn't you have it as the battle begins?
Speaking of fiendfyre, try this on for size. Voldemort and his death eaters produce a fiendfyre so large that it surrounds the force users, covers any possible retreat. At that point, it's like herding cattle, or shooting fish in a barrel. And IF a force user decides to stop force blocking the fiendfyre and attack the wizards, the force user is burnt alive.
No counter for that, yeah......
Originally posted by RobtardNo, not "Potter obsessed", not even close.
Cept that's purely for shits and giggles, been told to you many a time. You're Potter obsessed, bro.
Just tickles me that you and others view HP wizards as shit. Now that I have proven, without a doubt, that they are far more powerful than SW force users, you and the others don't like it. You'd rather ***** and moan about this thread (which is evenly matched as far as the conditions go) than admit that you are wrong.
Remember a while back when you admitted to me you have problems conceding? This is one of those times.
Your whole argument relies on the wizards not having to defend at all and basically having carte blanche to do anything they like; taking as long as they need. Which of course is ridiculous.
You've proven nothing, only further demonstrated your ability to gimp and fully cememted your Potter fanboyism in us all.
Yeah, and the Jedi are basically human too. Point? I IMAGINE the wizards will be flying, APPARATING, and casting spells? How am I IMAGINING this? This is what they do, man. And yes, apparating= insanely possible speed.
Except that they've never used this tactic in battle before. I suppose they have used the bizzare half-apparating thing in OOTP, but they can't attack in it anyway and a good Force push'll scatter them.
What trumps the precog is the AMOUNT of activity going on, the NUMBER of threats/attacks the wizard can produce, all at once. If a force user is focusing on force blocking a wall of fiendfyre, then how are they gonna block a death spell?
Twenty people are not enough to overwhelm team 2. Look at Zett whatshisface, able to deal with autofire from like a dozen troopers at once, alot faster than wizards can cast, and he was a Padawan and alone. Plus this was at a time when Sidious was actively clouding the Jedi's ability to use the Force, which he won't be doing here. All of their abilities will be better than they were in the movies.
Speaking of fiendfyre, try this on for size. Voldemort and his death eaters produce a fiendfyre so large that it surrounds the force users, covers any possible retreat. At that point, it's like herding cattle, or shooting fish in a barrel. And IF a force user decides to stop force blocking the fiendfyre and attack the wizards, the force user is burnt alive.
Nah, Fiendfyre takes too long to cast. Vader will **** them up before itsfully materialised.
Plus you script too much.
Originally posted by Robtard
Your whole argument relies on the wizards not having to defend at all and basically having carte blanche to do anything they like and take as long as they need. Which of course is ridiculous.You've proven nothing, only further demonstrated your ability to gimp and fully cememted your Potter fanboyism in us all.
It took Bellatrix and Fenrir less than a second, half a second more like, when attacking the burrow ✅
With the wizards ability to be everywhere, to apparate from one side of NY to the other, to Hogwarts, to Texas, then back to NY, all in the blink of an eye, yeah, their necessity to defend is greatly lowered. The force users will have to sense them, where they are, then focus their force attack on them. In the time it takes the force user to do that, the wizards can apparate 2 or 3 times.
Just admit it, Rob, I've ruined your "HP is gay and HP wizards suck" party, and now you're moping about it.
Originally posted by NephthysYes, they can attack while half apparating. Bellatrix and Fenrir did it in the attack on the burrow.
Except that they've never used this tactic in battle before. I suppose they have used the bizzare half-apparating thing in OOTP, but they can't attack in it anyway and a good Force push'll scatter them.
Twenty people are not enough to overwhelm team 2. Look at Zett whatshisface, able to deal with autofire from like a dozen troopers at once, alot faster than wizards can cast, and he was a Padawan and alone. Plus this was at a time when Sidious was actively clouding the Jedi's ability to use the Force, which he won't be doing here. All of their abilities will be better than they were in the movies.There were MAYBE six or seven troopers, dude. Also, they could not apparate, they could not produce fiendfyre. One death eater would have ended them in seconds.
Nah, Fiendfyre takes too long to cast. Vader will **** them up before itsfully materialised.Plus you script too much.
haermm The precog is shot to shit here, dude, and fiendfyre was produced instantly by Bellatrix and Fenrir.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It took Bellatrix and Fenrir less than a second, half a second more like, when attacking the burrow ✅With the wizards ability to be everywhere, to apparate from one side of NY to the other, to Hogwarts, to Texas, then back to NY, all in the blink of an eye, yeah, their necessity to defend is greatly lowered. The force users will have to sense them, where they are, then focus their force attack on them. In the time it takes the force user to do that, the wizards can apparate 2 or 3 times.
Just admit it, Rob, I've ruined your "HP is gay and HP wizards suck" party, and now you're moping about it.
Precog, the Jedi/Sith would sense their re-appearance and attack beforehand and they'd be ready to attack first. This is of course going that the Jedi didn't attack before the wizard tried to teleport. I know, I know, you've deemed Force-precog "useless" now.
HP is lame, correct. Wizards don't suck, they're fairly powerful combatants, but they fail here.
With the wizards ability to be everywhere, to apparate from one side of NY to the other, to Hogwarts, to Texas, then back to NY, all in the blink of an eye, yeah, their necessity to defend is greatly lowered. The force users will have to sense them, where they are, then focus their force attack on them. In the time it takes the force user to do that, the wizards can apparate 2 or 3 times.
On the flip-side, the wizards will have to take in their surroundings, pick a spot they'd like to apparate too and then apparate, all while possibly having to defend themselves and make sure they know whats going on arround them. By the time they do that (having inferior reactions and speed and lacking precog), they'll most likely be dead.
And btw, Jedi don't conscously act and react, they let the Force flow through them and guide them through the actions. Its all there in the movies.
Here, the attack on the Burrow:
Fiendfyre erupts from the sky, controlled by Bellatrix and Fenrir, who are both half apparating.
Also, note the :15 mark of this vid:
Fenrir and Bellatrix, while half apparating, crash through the burrow and cast fiendfyre inside it. The crash through one wall at :15, the burrow erupts in flames, and they are out the other side before the timer reaches :16.
Yeah, instantly.
Originally posted by Robtard
Precog, the Jedi/Sith would sense their re-appearance and attack beforehand and they'd be ready to attack first. This is of course going that the Jedi didn't attack before the wizard tried to teleport. I know, I know, you've deemed Force-precog "useless" now.HP is lame, correct. Wizards don't suck, they're fairly powerful combatants, but they fail here.
So what if the Jedi are ready? They won't know what's what once the shit hits the fan. They are gonna be dealing with a wall of fiendfyre surrounding them, they are gonna be dealing with wizards EVERYWHERE at once, half apparaters casting more fiendfyre comets at them, death spells, not to mention trying to avoid being immobilized, tied up, or slowed down as if they were in a jar of molasses. Vaders precog was shot to shit by a teenage boy in an X Wing, dude. It will be far worse here, for all force users involved.
Originally posted by NephthysThe wizards need only think here they want to go, then they go, it's instant.
On the flip-side, the wizards will have to take in their surroundings, pick a spot they'd like to apparate too and then apparate, all while possibly having to defend themselves and make sure they know whats going on arround them. By the time they do that (having inferior reactions and speed and lacking precog), they'll most likely be dead.And btw, Jedi don't conscously act and react, they let the Force flow through them and guide them through the actions. Its all there in the movies.
Yeah, the Jedi do that, and they rely greatly on precog. Prove to me, right here, right now, that with al of the following going on, that their precog is reliable:
They are gonna be dealing with a wall of fiendfyre surrounding them, they are gonna be dealing with wizards EVERYWHERE at once, half apparaters casting more fiendfyre comets at them, death spells, not to mention trying to avoid being immobilized, tied up, or slowed down as if they were in a jar of molasses. Vaders precog was shot to shit by a teenage boy in an X Wing, dude. It will be far worse here, for all force users involved.
Go ahead, amuse me.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yes, they can attack while half apparating. Bellatrix and Fenrir did it in the attack on the burrow.
No they didn't. 😬 The attack came from off-screen. We have no idea who cast it or how long it took to cast.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
There were MAYBE six or seven troopers, dude. Also, they could not apparate, they could not produce fiendfyre. One death eater would have ended them in seconds.
Lol what? A single clone trooper from that squad would own the shit out of any death eater. Heck, probably Voldemort. They don't have the capabilities to deal with gun or repeater fire.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
haermm The precog is shot to shit here, dude, and fiendfyre was produced instantly by Bellatrix and Fenrir.
No it isn't, its stronger than ever. 😬 Again, Bullshit. It comes from off-screen.
edit: Oh, thats what you were talking about. Again bullshit. Prove that was a spell.
Here, explain why, at 4:14, Vader did not sense the Falcon. Also, why, at 4:20, did he not sense the other TIE barreling towards him?
His reaction, "WHAT!!!", says it all. He was focusing on Luke, that's why his precog failed initially. Then, while surprised at the sudden attack, his precog failed to sense the TIE.
Originally posted by NephthysAaaaaahahahahaha denial much? Who cast it? BTW, at the end of the second vid we can SEE them enter the burrow, cast fiendfyre, and exit the other side.
No they didn't. 😬 The attack came from off-screen. We have no idea who cast it or how long it took to cast.
Lol what? A single clone trooper from that squad would own the shit out of any death eater. Heck, probably Voldemort. They don't have the capabilities to deal with gun or repeater fire.And the Clones would be able to track a death eater apparating. Riiiiiiiiiiight......AND fight fiendfyre, that can be cast from hundreds of feet above them. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
"A Single clone can take Voldemort" LOL of the decade, bro.
No it isn't, its stronger than ever. 😬 Again, Bullshit. It comes from off-screen.Stronger than ever? Prove that.edit: Oh, thats what you were talking about. Again bullshit. Prove that was a spell.
Dude, it is RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE of the screen. They fly into the burrow, it bursts into flames, then they fly out the other side.
Prove it was a spell? What, you think Bellatrix accio'd a Navy SEAL armed with a flamethrower? Grasp the obvious.
More proof? Here:
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Check out the apparating. Check out the speed. Check out the half apparating.
And a FEW of the spells/attacks the force users will be dealing with:
(Antonin Dolohov's Curse)
Description: This curse causes serious internal injury, but shows no external symptoms. It is described as cast with "a slashing motion", sending out a streak of purple flames. It is not nonverbal, though Harry could not hear it because Hermione had used the silencing charm Silencio on Dolohov before.
Avada Kedavra (Killing Curse) Pronunciation: /əˈvɑːdə kəˈdɑːvrə/ ə-VAH-də kə-DAH-vrə
Description: Causes a jet of green (blue in the 6th film) light, and a rushing noise; the curse causes instant death to the victim
Avis
Pronunciation: /ˈeɪvɨs/ AY-vis
Description: This charm creates a flock of birds that pour forth from the caster's wand. When coupled with Oppugno, it can be used offensively.
(Banishing Charm)
Description: Opposite to "Accio".
Confundo (Confundus Charm)
Pronunciation: /kɒnˈfʌndoʊ/ kon-FUN-doh
Description: Causes the victim to become confused, befuddled, overly forgetful and prone to follow simple orders without thinking about them.
Crucio (Cruciatus Curse)
Cruciatus redirects here. For the ligaments in the knee, see Cruciate ligament.
Pronunciation: /ˈkruːsi.oʊ/ KREW-see-oh
Description: Inflicts unbearable pain on the recipient of the curse. The effects of the curse depend upon the desires and emotions of the character –
Engorgio (Engorgement Charm)
Pronunciation: /ɛŋˈɡɔrdʒi.oʊ/ eng-GOR-jee-oh
Description: Causes objects to swell in size.
Expecto Patronum (Patronus Charm)
Pronunciation: /ɛksˈpɛktoʊ pəˈtroʊnəm/ eks-PEK-toh pə-TROH-nəm
Description: Conjures an incarnation of the caster's innermost positive feelings, such as joy, hope, or the desire to survive, known as a Patronus.
Expelliarmus (Disarming Charm)
Pronunciation: /ɛksˌpɛliˈɑrməs/ eks-PEL-ee-AR-məs
Description: Produces a jet of scarlet light. This spell is used to disarm another wizard, typically by causing the victim's wand to fly out of reach.[19][20] It can also throw the target backwards when enough power is put into it.
(Fiendfyre Curse)
Description: Dangerous, uncontrollable and extremely powerful fire which can take the form of beasts such as serpents, Chimaeras and dragons.
(Hover Charm)
Description: An object is levitated off the ground and moved according to the caster.
Impedimenta (Impediment Jinx, Impediment Curse)
Pronunciation: /ɪmˌpɛdɨˈmɛntə/ im-PED-i-MEN-tə
Description: This powerful spell is capable of tripping, freezing, binding, knocking back and generally impeding the target's progress towards the caster.
Imperio (Imperius Curse)
Pronunciation: /ɪmˈpɪəri.oʊ/ im-PEER-ee-oh
Description: Causes the victim of the curse to obey the spoken/unspoken commands of the caster.
Incarcerous
Pronunciation: /ɪŋˈkɑrsərəs/ ing-KAR-sər-əs
Description: Ties someone or something up with ropes.
Incendio
Pronunciation: /ɪnˈsɛndi.oʊ/ in-SEN-dee-oh
Description: Produces fire.[19] Flames burst out flying.
Legilimens
Pronunciation: /lɛˈdʒɪlɨmɛnz/ le-JIL-i-menz
Description: Allows the caster to delve into the mind of the victim, allowing the caster to see the memories, thoughts, and emotions of the victim.
Levicorpus
Pronunciation: /lɛvɨˈkɔrpəs/ LEV-i-KOR-pəs (nonverbal)
Description: The victim is dangled upside-down by one of his/her ankles, sometimes accompanied by a flash of white light. Created by Severus Snape.
Oppugno
Pronunciation: /əˈpʌɡnoʊ/ ə-PUG-noh
Description: Causes conjured objects to attack.
Petrificus Totalus (Body-Bind Curse)
Pronunciation: /pɛˈtrɪfɨkəs toʊˈtæləs/ pe-TRIF-i-kəs toh-TAL-əs
Description: Used to temporarily bind the victim's body in a position much like that of a soldier at attention; this spell does not restrict breathing or seeing, and the victim will usually fall to the ground.
Portus
Pronunciation: /ˈpɔrtəs/ PORT-əs
Description: Turns an object into a portkey. The object glows an odd blue colour to show it has been transformed into a portkey, then goes solid again.
Protego (Shield Charm)
Pronunciation: /proʊˈteɪɡoʊ/ proh-TAY-goh
Description: The Shield Charm causes minor to strong jinxes, curses, and hexes to rebound upon the attacker, or at least prevents them from having their full effect. It can also cause a shield to erupt from the caster's wand.
Protego Horribilis
Pronunciation: /proʊˈteɪɡoʊ hɒˈrɪbɨlɪs/ proh-TAY-goh hor-RIB-il-is
Description: Provides some form of protection against Dark Magic.
Protego Totalum
Pronunciation: /proʊˈteɪɡoʊ toʊˈtæləm/ proh-TAY-goh toh-TAL-əm
Description: Provides protection of some form for an area or dwelling.
Reducto (Reductor Curse)
Pronunciation: /rɛˈdʌktoʊ/ re-DUK-toh
Description: Enables the caster to explode solid objects.
Sectumsempra
Pronunciation: /ˌsɛktəmˈsɛmprə/ SEK-təm-SEM-prə
Description: Violently wounds the target; described as being as though the subject had been "slashed by a sword".[26] Created by Severus Snape.
Stupefy (Stunning Spell, Stupefying Charm, Stunner)
Pronunciation: /ˈstjuːpɨfaɪ/ STEW-pi-fye
Description: Puts the victim in an unconscious state. Manifests as a jet of red light.
Wingardium Leviosa (Levitation Charm)
Pronunciation: /wɪŋˈɡɑrdiəm ˌlɛviˈoʊsə/ wing-GAR-dee-əm LEV-ee-OH-sə
Description: Levitates objects.
Originally posted by RobtardNo, I am arguing that it will be a team effort on both parts. I am arguing that with all the shit going on at once, the precog will be ineffective. Like a pinball machine going TILT.
It's as if RJ is arguing that it will be all 20 wizards on each Jedi or Sith individually. 'Overwhelmed and precog won't work!'Granted, that would be a much more fair fight.
BTW, it took one boy in an X Wing to ruin Vaders precog ✅
For the record, this:
(Antonin Dolohov's Curse)
Description: This curse causes serious internal injury, but shows no external symptoms. It is described as cast with "a slashing motion", sending out a streak of purple flames. It is not nonverbal, though Harry could not hear it because Hermione had used the silencing charm Silencio on Dolohov before.
I'm not sure if it was actually shown in a movie, but the rest were.