Originally posted by ScreamPaste1. CRONOS HAS BEEN CARRYING A MOUNTAIN ON HIS BACK FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS. That makes ANY feat from Link's look like utter shit.
the way Wander did, except while being better than him. 😛Cronos' strength is currently up for debate, it's based on GoW Atlas being the same as Atlas from myth, despite there being nothing to support that, and then Cronos being comparable to him in strength, based on a scene where physical strength could nto possibly have been the decisive factor. This, by extension would prove Kratos' strength, and by more extension, Zeus'.
So yeah. Also, Kratos can't deflect lightning in real time, it was telegraphed and I have posted screenshots before proving just that, he absorbed it through his weapons, which is retarded, by holding them out when Zeus threw the lightning.
In skill? Kratos has no showings of this that I can see putting him above Link. 😬
The master sword is = to the triforce in powerscale (not powerset, that would defeat the point in being a failsafe to the triforce... So different abilities, but on the same level.)
Link, while not as physicly strong as Kratos or the others, is physicly strong enough, with that sword, being all evil smitey, to harm Kratos. He's better in a sword fight, has better demonstrable striking speed, has a shield, and has better options at range. (Light arrows.)
There's also the whole time travel thing that provides him with an instant win. 😐
2. He absorbed it with the Golden Fleece, and he blocks it in real time during the fight. Have you even friggin played the game?
3. Effectively wielding a much more difficult to wield weapon? 😐
4. PROVE. IT. MS has no feats on the planetary level.
5. Link is an ant to Kratos in strength and is far too slow.
6. Because he will just do this while Kratos watches right? 😐
Also, Beyonder could eat the Trueforce and create a stronger one.
Originally posted by LLLLLinkDidn't you killed your arguement that Trueforce was omnipotent when you said it had its limits.
How does omnipotence "eat" omnipotence and omniscience and make something stronger than omnipotence?😬
Now drop it and move on.
Beyonder is way beyond the likes of three goddess who can just create a planet while there are Marvel characters that are not even gods that can shit on that.
Nah, I disagree with the logic that "omnipotence 1" > "omnipotence 2" under the "feats" system. Omnipotence cannot be practically proven by feats, because the feat list would have to be infinite, scaling into granduer beyond human comprehension, which is impossible for person to write. To claim one omnipotence is greater than another is folly.
The only way to disprove an omnipotence claim is to find an instance or quote of "I can't /b/" within canon. That would prove that something isn't "all-powerful", for it couldn't perform /b/. So, that is what you are searching for.
Originally posted by LLLLLink
Nah, I disagree with the logic that "omnipotence 1" > "omnipotence 2" under the "feats" system. Omnipotence cannot be practically proven by feats, because the feat list would have to be infinite, scaling into granduer beyond human comprehension, which is impossible for person to write. To claim one omnipotence is greater than another is folly.The only way to disprove an omnipotence claim is to find an instance or quote of "I can't /b/" within canon. That would prove that something isn't "all-powerful", for it couldn't perform /b/. So, that is what you are searching for.
Problem is that the Triforce has no proof of Omnipotence or Omniscience. The Living Tribunal makes the triangle look like a Dorito fragment and he's nothing compared to be Pre-Retconned Beyonder.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Problem is that the Triforce has no proof of Omnipotence or Omniscience. The Living Tribunal makes the triangle look like a Dorito fragment and he's nothing compared to be Pre-Retconned Beyonder.
Direct quote at the beginning of LttP. But you are right, you can't prove that the Trueforce has omnipotence, the same way that you can't prove anything has omnipotence. All you can go by is the claim itself, and hope to disprove that claim by showing a clear instance if failure.
The same way that you claim that Beyonder could poop Trueforces because he is omnipotent and there is nothing that he cant do, I can claim that the Trueforce could create several Beyonders because it is omnipotent and there is nothing it cant do.
So, to avoid a endless cycle of this kind of foolishness, the best (and only) way to prove one is above the other is to disprove one's omnipotence.
Originally posted by LLLLLink
Direct quote at the beginning of LttP. But you are right, you can't prove that the Trueforce has omnipotence, the same way that you can't prove anything has omnipotence. All you can go by is the claim itself, and hope to disprove that claim by showing a clear instance if failure.The same way that you claim that Beyonder could poop Trueforces because he is omnipotent and there is nothing that he cant do, I can claim that the Trueforce could create several Beyonders because it is omnipotent and there is nothing it cant do.
So, to avoid a endless cycle of this kind of foolishness, the best (and only) way to prove one is above the other is to disprove one's omnipotence.
Except the little fact that Pre-Retcon Beyonder has feats that put not only the Triforce, but the entire video game omniverse to shame. 😐
Originally posted by LLLLLinkYour whole arguement is moot when you said it had limits. Compared to Beyonder its a childs toy that got eaten by a dog. I have a feeling you never seen the crap Beyonder pulled off.
Direct quote at the beginning of LttP. But you are right, you can't prove that the Trueforce has omnipotence, the same way that you can't prove anything has omnipotence. All you can go by is the claim itself, and hope to disprove that claim by showing a clear instance if failure.The same way that you claim that Beyonder could poop Trueforces because he is omnipotent and there is nothing that he cant do, I can claim that the Trueforce could create several Beyonders because it is omnipotent and there is nothing it cant do.
So, to avoid a endless cycle of this kind of foolishness, the best (and only) way to prove one is above the other is to disprove one's omnipotence.
The Trueforce couldn't even grant Ganon his full wish. Meaning its fallible like the dragon balls.
Omnipotence is a no limit fallacy, its the feats you have to look at. pre-ret beyonder can iirc collapse galaxies and cause supernovas or such just by thinking heavily.
The trueforce can turn Link into a bunny and cause some minor alterations. Its also useless in the face of a sword and some slivers of silver.
Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Except the little fact that Pre-Retcon Beyonder has feats that put not only the Triforce, but the entire video game omniverse to shame. 😐
I addressed this already.
Originally posted by Phanteros
Your whole arguement is moot when you said it had limits. Compared to Beyonder its a childs toy that got eaten by a dog. I have a feeling you never seen the crap Beyonder pulled off.The Trueforce couldn't even grant Ganon his full wish. Meaning its fallible like the dragon balls.
I'm flattered that you take my word above that of the creators, but read closer. It's the user with the limits, not the spirit of the Trueforce itself. Nice try, though.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Omnipotence is a no limit fallacy, its the feats you have to look at. pre-ret beyonder can iirc collapse galaxies and cause supernovas or such just by thinking heavily.The trueforce can turn Link into a bunny and cause some minor alterations. Its also useless in the face of a sword and some slivers of silver.
As if anyone was going to take the time to read something you posted about Zelda... Lol.
Originally posted by LLLLLinkWhere is this stated by the creators? Good thanks for proving my point it isn't omnipotent as it would of granted their whole wish regardless of their limits. You fail.
I addressed this already.I'm flattered that you take my word above that of the creators, but read closer. It's the user with the limits, not the spirit of the Trueforce itself. Nice try, though.
Originally posted by Phanteros
Where is this stated by the creators? Good thanks for proving my point it isn't omnipotent as it would of granted their whole wish regardless of their limits. You fail.
Wow, you're not very intelligent. I fail? Thanks for showing us that you're butt-hurt. 🙄
"Welcome, Link...
I am the Essence Of The
Triforce.
... ... ...
The Triforce will grant the
wishes in the heart and mind of
the person who touches it.
If a person with a good heart
touches it, it will make his good
wishes come true... If an evil-
hearted person touches it, it
grants his evil wishes.
The stronger the wish, the
more powerful the Triforce's
expression of that wish.
Ganon's wish was to conquer
the world. That wish changed
the Golden Land to the Dark
World.
Ganon was building up his
power here so he could conquer
the Light World and make his
wish come completely true.
But now, you have totally
destroyed Ganon. His Dark
World will vanish.
The Triforce is waiting for a
new owner. Its Golden Power is
in your hands..." - LttP
Originally posted by LLLLLinkWay to make a bad impressing on yourself now your attacking me on my intellegence because I asked for proof?
Wow, you're not very intelligent. I fail? Thanks for showing us that you're butt-hurt. 🙄"Welcome, Link...
I am the Essence Of The
Triforce.
... ... ...The Triforce will grant the
in the heart and mind of
[b]wishes
the person who touches it.If a person with a good heart
touches it, it will make his good
wishes come true... If an evil-
hearted person touches it, it
grants his evil wishes.The stronger the wish, the
more powerful the Triforce's
expression of that wish.Ganon's wish was to conquer
the world. That wish changed
the Golden Land to the Dark
World.Ganon was building up his
power here so he could conquer
the Light World and make his
wish come completely true.But now, you have totally
destroyed Ganon. His Dark
World will vanish.The Triforce is waiting for a
new owner. Its Golden Power is
in your hands..." - LttP [/B]
his wish was he conquered it and he failed therefore it is fallible.
Originally posted by Phanteros
Way to make a bad impressing on yourself now your attacking me on my intellegence because I asked for proof?his wish was he conquered it and he failed therefore it is fallible.
Don't flatter yourself by thinking that I would spend the effort to attack you (or anyone else on this forum, for that matter). You got your proof.
His wish was that he would conquer the world, so he gained the world which he was standing in; the Dark World, formerly known as the Golden Land. Because he didn't have the forces of Power, Wisdom and Courage in balance, Ganon was unable to wish strongly enough for his true intentions. His wish was technically granted.
Surely, you must be able to see that.