Thor vs Void Sentry

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Inconsistant like noone else, at least the Sentry persona. Void always was a potent team wrecker.

also on another note I think using Thor killing void as legit win for Thor seems questionable at best and full of circumstances which allow for thor to kill void in the first place. but meh thats just my own thoughts on the whole ordeal.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Seemed pretty clear what he was implying.

"I think we've all met crazy people in our lives, and I think you learn pretty quickly that when you're dealing with a crazy person, you can't trust what they're saying to be true. Just because the Sentry/The Void announced that he had the power of the Molecule Man, it doesn't mean that he actually did. He just thought that he did. He was a crazy person and maybe a drug addict, as the character's creator, Paul Jenkins, put out there. So not everything he was saying wasn't necessarily true. Maybe it was. Maybe it wasn't. I know that's difficult for some people, because when they read a story, they don't want to feel like they're being ****ed with. That character, though, was not in control of himself. There wasn't one second throughout the run of "Dark Avengers" where he was in control of himself."

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
They're arguing that the beginning and end of the What If have relevance to cannon continuity as it references 616 events and further extrapolates on the scenes we see. The Watcher of that Universe who narrates the events even talks to Uatu, the Watcher of the 616 at the end of the comic.

This means without killing ares he is at full power and Thor can't do anything to him even while weakened without him allowing it. LOL it takes away from thor's own battle against the Sentry/Void as he was weakened according to the comic and still holding his own. he also easily killed Loki while weakened according to the comic and in a vs. battle he doesn't start out weakened only further hurting your case.

Think next time before you argue for a what if as it hurts Thor more than anyone else.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Maybe just was maybe it wasn't but we saw on panel him defeat MM so this leads more the side of he had these powers than he didn't. I mean do you think MM just got spooked and walked away and misused his own powers on the Sentry ?

facepalm If it was as simple as what we saw on panel is what happened, Bendis would not have even brought it up. Even the people who were calling PIS weren't claiming that Sentry did not use Molecular Manipulation based powers. It's obvious what his going for.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Hahaha, if I did accept this it takes away Thor's actions even more. basically Thor only killed the Void because he let him despite being weakened by killing someone else.

This means without killing ares he is at full power and Thor can't do anything to him even while weakened without him allowing it. LOL it takes away from thor's own battle against the Sentry/Void as he was weakened according to the comic and still holding his own. he also easily killed Loki while weakened according to the comic and in a vs. battle he doesn't start out weakened only further hurting your case.

Think next time before you argue for a what if as it hurts Thor more than anyone else.

facepalmx2 I'm not you, I think shit through before I post. It's obvious that it would bring Thor's stock down. Frankly, it brings everybody's stock down if they aren't Ares or to a stretch, Olympian.

Unfortunately unlike you, I don't think I get to decide what's cannon or what's not depending on whether I like it or not. Based on what I know so far, logic dictates that it's cannon. That doesn't mean it makes any sense however.

P.S. Squirrel Girl beat the shit out of the real Thanos.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
facepalm If it was as simple as what we saw on panel is what happened, Bendis would not have even brought it up. Even the people who were calling PIS weren't claiming that Sentry did not use Molecular Manipulation based powers. It's obvious what his going for.

facepalmx2 I'm not you, I think shit through before I post. It's obvious that it would bring Thor's stock down. Frankly, it brings everybody's stock down if they aren't Ares or to a stretch, Olympian.

Unfortunately unlike you, I don't think I get to decide what's cannon or what's not depending on whether I like it or not. Based on what I know so far, logic dictates that it's cannon. That doesn't mean it makes any sense however.

P.S. Squirrel Girl beat the shit out of the real Thanos.

I always do and a what if doesn't retcon 616 events. Read the rules.

Basically it kills every Thor action against the Void and makes it a weakened void vs. thor and the rest of the heroes. Even a weakened Void had to let Thor kill him according to you. Wow.

Ps. Not canon.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We saw him do so and he never said he didn't he left it up to the reader but sionce we saw him do so and run him off then he gets credit for it.

I always do and a what if doesn't retcon 616 events. Read the rules.

Basically it kills every Thor action against the Void and makes it a weakened void vs. thor and the rest of the heroes. Even a weakened Void had to let Thor kill him according to you. Wow.

Ps. Not canon.

my uncle told me that's not true.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

facepalmx2 I'm not you, I think shit through before I post. It's obvious that it would bring Thor's stock down. Frankly, it brings everybody's stock down if they aren't Ares or to a stretch, Olympian.

Unfortunately unlike you, I don't think I get to decide what's cannon or what's not depending on whether I like it or not. Based on what I know so far, logic dictates that it's cannon. That doesn't mean it makes any sense however.

P.S. Squirrel Girl beat the shit out of the real Thanos.

Originally posted by shokosugi
my uncle told me that's not true.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Hi, what are you guys discussing in terms of being cannon? Did something new come out that I missed or something?

Originally posted by quanchi112
We saw him do so and he never said he didn't he left it up to the reader but sionce we saw him do so and run him off then he gets credit for it.

If it was as simple as what we saw on panel is what happened, Bendis would not have even brought it up. Even the people who were calling PIS weren't claiming that Sentry did not use Molecular Manipulation based powers. It's obvious what his going for.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I always do and a what if doesn't retcon 616 events. Read the rules.

Basically it kills every Thor action against the Void and makes it a weakened void vs. thor and the rest of the heroes. Even a weakened Void had to let Thor kill him according to you. Wow.

There's nothing to retcon. The only thing that could contradict this is Bendis' statement which the Fallen Sun one shot did to an extent a while back.

I don't like it. Doesn't mean it isn't cannon.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ps. Not canon.

Why not? What evidence to you have to support it being non cannon?

voidtry.

The SM one got closed for spite, shouldn't this one get too?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If it was as simple as what we saw on panel is what happened, Bendis would not have even brought it up. Even the people who were calling PIS weren't claiming that Sentry did not use Molecular Manipulation based powers. It's obvious what his going for.

There's nothing to retcon. The only thing that could contradict this is Bendis' statement which the Fallen Sun one shot did to an extent a while back.

I don't like it. Doesn't mean it isn't cannon.

Why not? What evidence to you have to support it being non cannon?

It isn't canon as it is from a what if but it's hilarious how you've neutered every pro Thor argument vs. Void.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
I think they're talking about What if... Siege, where Osborn won the war and Void killed him after it.

These parts of the issue are cannon:

Originally posted by Galan007

What is so hard to understand?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
These parts of the issue are cannon:

What is so hard to understand?

here the ruleing on what if's if anyone wish to know.

"No Non-canon Sources
Non-canon sources are invalid for evidence. With rare exceptions, comics not in continuity such as Elseworlds, What Ifs, or alternate universes are not used for evidence in debates of a particular mainstream character."

Those scans are compelling however, though i fear taking such as evidence will lead down a slippery slope, it is easily as arguable as cannon as not. I think some one should ask a mod for a ruling on the matter.

facepalm

I swear to god, I don't even know why I bother. It says right there on panel.

"In your reality..."

Atau goes on describe events that occured in the 616 reality.

It'd make more sense to argue that he interpreted the events wrong then to argue his description was not cannon. Unless you argue that any events that occur within the pages are automatically non cannon, which of course we already know is not true.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
facepalm

I swear to god, I don't even know why I bother. It says right there on panel.

"In your [b]reality..."

Atau goes on describe events that occured in the 616 reality.

It'd make more sense to argue that he interpreted the events wrong then to argue his description was not cannon. Unless you argue that any events that occur within the pages are automatically non cannon, which of course we already know is not true. [/B]

durthor

Leave.

Bashing a mod eh?

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