The Heroic Age

Originally posted by Omgu8mynewt
What is heroic age? And what does it mean for the only series is kinda follow, xmen?

Less Cyclops sanctioned kill squads?

Originally posted by scifinut
since they got rid of the registration act, does that mean civil war was all for nothing?

Originally posted by vansonbee
This is what consider a recton

Nope. A retcon is retro active continuity, this is just a return to the status quo. For it to be a retcon they would have to change what happened so Civil War never took place, in this case they just made it inconsequential.

Yeah, although Marvel would argue that it's not inconsequential, it's seeing the outcome of Civil War if Cap's side won.....

But I agree with you, it's a return to status quo.

anyone read avengers #1 yet, I have the issue but haven't read it yet..

Originally posted by willRules
Yeah, although Marvel would argue that it's not inconsequential, it's seeing the outcome of Civil War if Cap's side won.....

But I agree with you, it's a return to status quo.

nice sig and avy

I did but wasn't feeling it. JRJR isn't suited to Avengers and the story doesn't make any sense.

Spoiler:
The Avengers aren't strong enough to beat Ultron, apparently the Next Avengers were the only ones powerful enough to do it... so... the Avengers have to go to the future and beat the Next Avengers instead? WTF. Also... the Next Avengers? As though those pre-teen losers are a threat to anyone. I wouldn't even give them decent odds against the Run Aways, Young Avengers or any of the student X-Men rosters.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I did but wasn't feeling it. JRJR isn't suited to Avengers and the story doesn't make any sense.

Spoiler:
The Avengers aren't strong enough to beat Ultron, apparently the Next Avengers were the only ones powerful enough to do it... so... the Avengers have to go to the future and beat the Next Avengers instead? WTF. Also... the Next Avengers? As though those pre-teen losers are a threat to anyone. I wouldn't even give them decent odds against the Run Aways, Young Avengers or any of the student X-Men rosters.

Spoiler:
Not to mention Kang has access to over a millenia of tech and he chooses something from iron mans gallery of all things. The only problem the avengers have with ultron is hes like a weed, as long as a small portion of his tech exists, he cant be killed. They are just trying to get readers to buy the Next Avengers dvd that came out a while ago. Its a little late for advertisements now.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I did but wasn't feeling it. JRJR isn't suited to Avengers and the story doesn't make any sense.

Spoiler:
The Avengers aren't strong enough to beat Ultron, apparently the Next Avengers were the only ones powerful enough to do it... so... the Avengers have to go to the future and beat the Next Avengers instead? WTF. Also... the Next Avengers? As though those pre-teen losers are a threat to anyone. I wouldn't even give them decent odds against the Run Aways, Young Avengers or any of the student X-Men rosters.

wait a second

Spoiler:
Didn't Hulk defeat Ultron in that continuty? i think something else is up

I don't think Kang is straight up saying the truth, from what he said it seems there is something else in stake.

Maria Hill looks horrendous in that issue.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
nice sig and avy

Cheers. I'm loving your Iron-man sig 👆

I'm not sure what you guys are upset about. The Avengers launch was pretty cool.

As usual, the griping seems to be about power level and feats, except this time for future incarnations of characters we barely know in the first place, and about events of which we clearly don't have the full story.

srug

I do dislike how quickly Stark/Cap was dealt with so quickly and painlessly. That deserved it's own one-shot or something, not a couple pages of dialogue that kept getting interrupted with comic relief. Their ideological struggle was what drove CW, which was probably the best of the "events" preceding this Heroic Age.

There is a five issue mini titled "Avenger's Prime" which takes place right after Siege which focuses on the three trying to patch things up.

finally read the first issue, it could have been better..

Originally posted by willRules
Cheers. I'm loving your Iron-man sig 👆

thanks

I always had a feeling that those kids would wind up in comics at some point

Originally posted by Digi
Their ideological struggle was what drove CW, which was probably the best of the "events" preceding this Heroic Age.

Totally agree. This is partly why Siege was such a let down. This is why I consider Mark Millar to be up there with the great comic writers of our generation. Civil War for all its faults, really did change the MU and had the potential (if not for the events of Siege) to do something that very rarely happens in comics. Have a change that stuck. The SHRA was a great plot device and whilst it did make villains of the pro-reg a bit more than was probably intended by the writers, at least it was a Marvel event that said "things will never be the same again" and they weren't.....

......at least until Siege.

It's kind of sad really. Many people (myself included) skeptically saw Secret Invasion as the reset button for the events of MU since "Disassembled." Turns out we were wrong. Siege was that button.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I did but wasn't feeling it. JRJR isn't suited to Avengers and the story doesn't make any sense.

Spoiler:
The Avengers aren't strong enough to beat Ultron, apparently the Next Avengers were the only ones powerful enough to do it... so... the Avengers have to go to the future and beat the Next Avengers instead? WTF. Also... the Next Avengers? As though those pre-teen losers are a threat to anyone. I wouldn't even give them decent odds against the Run Aways, Young Avengers or any of the student X-Men rosters.

The Avengers aren't immortal. They can be killed if Ultron had enough prep on his side. He's got more than enough time on his hand to eventually take them, which apparently he did.

As for Kang, not sure what his role in this is. The ending with the Hulk makes his role in this suspect. And yeah, we don't know how their kids beat Ultron. I don't think the cartoon is canon to this story.

Originally posted by Digi
I'm not sure what you guys are upset about. The Avengers launch was pretty cool.

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1. the art is HORRENDOUS. I mean I could draw better with my left foot while enebriated than the hack who did the first issue. ugh, seriously the art alone is making me not want to read the comic.

2. the dialogue is like Marvel Adventures...ie written for 10 yr olds. Its like instead of it taking place after siege, its taking place as if siege was just a dream.

3. the plot so far seems stupid and again like something out of Marvel adventure.

I'm disguested with the first issue. I hope the other heroic age titles are better.

Bendis' dialogue is ridiculously bad. It's actually painful to read times. I don't really have a problem with it as he actually does Thor fine and seems to write the character pretty well (At least compared to the others.). Even the dialogue is fine. Or maybe it's because Thor was silent for most of the issue. Either way, I don't give a horseshit about the others so I'm content.

Looking back at Siege though, I realize how much better Coipel's art made Bendis' work.

Have Liefield draw a co written Bendis/Loeb/Austen comic. The Universe would like implode.

I guess I was reading it as sort of a throwback piece to literal golden age comics. As such, the dialogue came off as humorous and cheeky instead of patronizing or childish. Because yes, it's not at today's standards otherwise.

The Kang moment was hilarious though, you have to admit.

Spoiler:
"I AM KANG!!! I come to warn..."
*KRA-BOOM*
...and Thor boots him across the street. It was a rare literal lol for me while reading a comic, because it's the exact opposite of the pontificating you normally get in "hammy" comics. And despite his stated intentions, Thor was like "nope, you're the bad guy. See ya."

But still, like I said, miffed at Tony/Steve. Awesome opportunity for character development there. Unless it remains a boiling tension to be resolved later, it was an AWFUL way to sidestep it.