The Avengers is supposed to be the best of the best of the Marvel U, all the top A list heroes in one place, hence the inclusion of Wolverine and Spider-man. Quite frankly it didn't make sense them not being members before. If you want to see the A list DC heroes interact and play off each other, you pick up JLA - there should be an equivalent title in Marvel. Thats what this new Avengers is supposed to be, although I'm not sure I have faith in the creative team.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The Avengers is supposed to be the best of the best of the Marvel U, all the top A list heroes in one place, hence the inclusion of Wolverine and Spider-man. Quite frankly it didn't make sense them [b]not being members before. If you want to see the A list DC heroes interact and play off each other, you pick up JLA - there should be an equivalent title in Marvel. Thats what this new Avengers is supposed to be, although I'm not sure I have faith in the creative team. [/B]
the JLA isn't the a-list, though, and hasn't been for over a decade if not longer (even going back to the satellite years). even when you had superman, wonder woman and green lantern, there was still vixen, major disaster, zauriel etc. it was always a balance.
i'd take hank pym and hawkeye over wolverine or spider-man any day. they've earned their status more than once.
Originally posted by -Pr-
the JLA isn't the a-list, though, and hasn't been for over a decade if not longer (even going back to the satellite years). even when you had superman, wonder woman and green lantern, there was still vixen, major disaster, zauriel etc. it was always a balance.i'd take hank pym and hawkeye over wolverine or spider-man any day. they've earned their status more than once.
It's not all A-list sure but the A list where still on the team.
It isn't all A-List on the Avengers either though, Hawkeye, Mockingbird and Spider-woman all appear to on the standard roster with the A-listers. Honestly though, I move a bigger problem with Hawkeye, Mockingbird and Spider-woman on the team than Spidy and Wolverine. If you are going to make a commitment to placing all the A list heroes on one team in spite of their power set then at least pad out the rest of the spots with characters who aren't completely redundant. Right now there is a team with Wolverine, Spider-man, Hawkeye, Mockingbird, Spider-woman, and Captain America, do they really bring a lot to the table when they are all on the same team? Thats not a hole lot of power there and I don't think Iron-man and Thor are enough to balance it out on their own, especially when this is the team that is supposed to deal with the biggest threats around. They should drop Spider-woman, Hawkeye and Mockingbird, in place of Mrs. Marvel, and I don't know... Nova would be awesome.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It's not all A-list sure but the A list where still on the team.It isn't all A-List on the Avengers either though, Hawkeye, Mockingbird and Spider-woman all appear to on the standard roster with the A-listers. Honestly though, I move a bigger problem with Hawkeye, Mockingbird and Spider-woman on the team than Spidy and Wolverine. If you are going to make a commitment to placing all the A list heroes on one team in spite of their power set then at least pad out the rest of the spots with characters who aren't completely redundant. Right now there is a team with Wolverine, Spider-man, Hawkeye, Mockingbird, Spider-woman, and Captain America, do they really bring a lot to the table when they are all on the same team? Thats not a hole lot of power there and I don't think Iron-man and Thor are enough to balance it out on their own, especially when this is the team that is supposed to deal with the biggest threats around. They should drop Spider-woman, Hawkeye and Mockingbird, in place of Mrs. Marvel, and I don't know... Nova would be awesome.
i just want the classic team back. for me, that was the most balanced. i think logan just simply shouldn't be there. or spidey either.
Meh. I want to see the A-List Heroes in one place working together. That appeals to me, and if it happens without me having to read a poorly formulated event once a year, then even better. I want to see Spider-man working with Iron-man, Captain America, Thor and Wolverine, just like I want to see Superman working with Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and the Flash. Can Hank Pym and Hawkeye show up too? Why not, Green Arrow and Atom show up in the JLA all the time, but they largely just garnish, not who people are buying the book to see. It does suck that the more popular Marvel characters are closer to street and mid tier than DC's and the cosmic guys are largely isolated from Marvel Earth, but what are you going to do?
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It's not all A-list sure but the A list where still on the team.It isn't all A-List on the Avengers either though, Hawkeye, Mockingbird and Spider-woman all appear to on the standard roster with the A-listers. Honestly though, I move a bigger problem with Hawkeye, Mockingbird and Spider-woman on the team than Spidy and Wolverine. If you are going to make a commitment to placing all the A list heroes on one team in spite of their power set then at least pad out the rest of the spots with characters who aren't completely redundant. Right now there is a team with Wolverine, Spider-man, Hawkeye, Mockingbird, Spider-woman, and Captain America, do they really bring a lot to the table when they are all on the same team? Thats not a hole lot of power there and I don't think Iron-man and Thor are enough to balance it out on their own, especially when this is the team that is supposed to deal with the biggest threats around. They should drop Spider-woman, Hawkeye and Mockingbird, in place of Mrs. Marvel, and I don't know... Nova would be awesome.
Hawkeye has no power to bring to the table? Super-deus ex machina-Trick arrows FTW.
Though, is he even Hawkeye anymore? Isn't he Ronin?
Originally posted by Blair Wind
Hawkeye has no power to bring to the table? Super-deus ex machina-Trick arrows FTW.Though, is he even Hawkeye anymore? Isn't he Ronin?
He's Hawkeye again. They made an amusingly clear point of making sure we knew it in the first issue. I'm fine with him on the team though.
With Maria Hill leading, I'm actually more concerned about Bucky's niche. I mean, Cap leads. It's what he does. He can still be the moral center and all, sure, but some of his symbolic usefulness on the team is compromised by her.
Spider-Man was never perceived as an A-list Avenger type by the heroes themselves. Parker's role is always that of being trodden upon somewhat. yes, he's A-list at Marvel, but to us. I honestly don't think he belongs. And Wolverine...meh. I guess they need him or Spidey to make sure the book sells.
Spidy's been in right in the thick of things a lot the past decade though, instead of largely off doing his own thing in NYC. If the Avengers didn't think he could carry his weight before HoM, Civil War, Secret Invasion, Dark Reign and Siege, working side by side with him in the trenches should have changed their minds.
/shrug
Originally posted by Digi
This is news? It's beening a running joke even among the comics themselves for several years now.
Logan which people seem unable to grasp or notice was only on two teams for the last two years. New avengers and x-force. x-force is not even a full time, team it simply special opt team for extreme events. He was also a member of new avengers which was another haft time gig.