Originally posted by No End N Site
What does this have to do wit anything?The Edit/Random team is who I just beat it wit and shows that S.Town was NOT destroyed.
Saying southtown is not destroyed means you really never played KOF 2000. Even I posted the picture about the destroyed southtown but you still say southtown isn't destroyed? Are you trying to be an ignorant this time?
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
Saying southtown is not destroyed means you really never played KOF 2000. Even I posted the picture about the destroyed southtown but you still say southtown isn't destroyed? Are you trying to be an ignorant this time?
Where is the picture? I don't see it. What panel am I suppose to be lookin' at on VG museums? Am I bein' ignorant or is it you don't know WTF your talkin' about and need to get your facts straight?
Originally posted by No End N Site
Where is the picture? I don't see it. What panel am I suppose to be lookin' at on VG museums? Am I bein' ignorant or is it you don't know WTF your talkin' about and need to get your facts straight?
*Sigh*
even the site's picture become "hotlinking is not allowed" too...
I'll search for another source then...
Take a look at 4:06 until 4:09
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
YouTube videoTake a look at 4:06 until 4:09
Originally posted by Me
It appears that only a section of the city was even touched.
All the Teams in S.Town survived and there are people walkin' around the city the next week. I would also like to see where the Zero clone tanks the blast from the canon.
Originally posted by No End N Site
All the Teams in S.Town survived and there are people walkin' around the city the next week. I would also like to see where the Zero clone tanks the blast from the canon.
You mean at 4:02? That's Heidern team who investigate the Southtown. Didn't Heidern said "We lost the city and our pride?".
And if you want to see Zero tanked the blast, don't you see he blasted by Zero cannon at the event?
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
You mean at 4:02? That's Heidern team who investigate the Southtown. Didn't Heidern said "We lost the city and our pride?".
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
And if you want to see Zero tanked the blast, don't you see he blasted by Zero cannon at the event?
He does not tank the blast, he dies.
Originally posted by No End N Site
I just went to beat the game wit an edit team and now I see what You mean. It did do mild damage to the entire city.He does not tank the blast, he dies.
My point is, the blast destroyed the entire city even though it's not entirely wiped out just like what Gouki did in SSF4.
He tanked the blast. True, he dies. But remember that he was beaten before he tanked the blast. Also, check this out.
http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/neogeo/b/kof2ksp.htm
That's why I always said he survived the blast for not too long.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
My point is, the blast destroyed the entire city even though it's not entirely wiped out just like what Gouki did in SSF4.He tanked the blast. True, he dies. But remember that he was beaten before he tanked the blast. Also, check this out.
http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/neogeo/b/kof2ksp.htm
That's why I always said he survived the blast for not too long.
It's not really "tanking" if you die from it. Most other endings have him die instantly from it as well.
Originally posted by No End N Site
It's not really "tanking" if you die from it. Most other endings have him die instantly from it as well.
Dude, after Zero got beaten, he was struck by either Heidern or Foxy with Diana, and then he was blasted by the cannon. Yep, he was weakened when he tanked it. Even he still can talk before he really die and his body didn't disintegrated by that beam. I wouldn't put this up if he died instantly by the blast since it isn't a feat.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
Dude, after Zero got beaten, he was struck by either Heidern or Foxy with Diana, and then he blasted by the cannon. Yep, he was weakened when he tanked it. Even he still can talk before he really die and his body didn't disintegrated by that beam. I wouldn't put this up if he died instantly by the blast since it isn't a feat.
You miss the point. You lack the evidence to prove that he was weakened so badly that he couldn't tank a city ruinin' blast and the canon endin' has him die from the very same blast immediately. In canon, he is vaporized by the blast. How can he tank a blast like that, yet get beaten up by people who can not damage a city?
Originally posted by No End N Site
You miss the point. You lack the evidence to prove that he was weakened so badly that he couldn't tank a city ruinin' blast. How can he tank a blast like that, yet get beaten up by people who can not damage a city?
The person who beat him is either K' or Kyo. Kyo himself destroyed the N.E.S.T.S base in 99. And If you read the link, Zero cannon was powered by Kyo's Mu-shiki move (Zero states that the power of the battle will be absorbed by the Zero cannon's generator and then transferred into Zero cannon). K' is Kyo's equal. And if you want to involve Ash, Ash burned most of the city with his power too. I really hate to say this but if this is really the case, Kyo MIGHT have a potential to bust the city...
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
The person who beat him is either K' or Kyo. Kyo himself destroyed the N.E.S.T.S base in 99. And If you read the link, Zero cannon was powered by Kyo's Mu-shiki move (Zero states that the power of the battle will be absorbed by the Zero cannon's generator and then transferred into Zero cannon). K' is Kyo's equal. And if you want to involve Ash, Ash burned most of the city with his power too. I really hate to say this but if this is really the case, Kyo MIGHT have a potential to bust the city...
It is "powered" by the move, that wasn't what was shot out of the canon. It's like a battery. That's like sayin' that a young Ryu can vaporize a city because his energy is used to power the P.Drive. That endin' is also not canon and we know the Zero Canon was not powered by Kyo's move in the actual story. Ash also burned the city over a long period of time, not instantly and KOFAD is not canon to the actual KOF.
Originally posted by No End N Site
It is "powered" by the move, that wasn't what was shot out of the canon. It's like a battery. That's like sayin' that Ryu can vaporize a city because his energy is used to power the P.Drive. That endin' is also not canon and we know the Zero Canon was not powered by Kyo's move in the actual story. Ash also burned the city over a long period of time, not instantly and KOFAD is not canon to the actual KOF.
Hmm... you got a point on "like a battery" part. OK, I agreed this time.
Even Zero survived in Ikari warriors team too before he died. Yup, not only in Kyo's ending. Psycho Soldier ending, Art of Fighting team are non-canon since the Southtown didn't destroyed. But speaking about non-canon, you too also used some scene where Gill split the sea, Shin Bison tanked the mushroom cloud, which are not canon too. KOF AD is canon, it's supervised by Falcoon himself and SNK placed it in their KOF official website.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
Hmm... you got a point on "like a battery" part. OK, I agreed this time.Even Zero survived in Ikari warriors team too before he died. Yup, not only in Kyo's ending. Psycho Soldier ending, Art of Fighting team are non-canon since the Southtown didn't destroyed.
He died in all those endings. Just not instantly. And in none of those endings was the canon powered by Kyo's move.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
But speaking about non-canon, you too also used some scene where Gill split the sea, Shin Bison tanked the mushroom cloud, which are not canon too.
Those endings do not contradict the powers of the characters. There isn't an ending of Gill tryin' to split the sea and failin' and then another of him tryin' and succeedin'. Like endings where Zero is shown to be utterly destroyed by the Z.Canon in one and merely killed by it in another ending. There has never been an instance in SF where Gill even used all of his powers, except that one ending. Bison did tank the mushroom in cloud in actual canon, he then went on to fight Rose afterward.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
KOF AD is canon, it's supervised by Falcoon himself and SNK placed it in their KOF official website.
KOF AD is canon to itself, but is separate from the 'real' KOF time line. Like Marvel VS Capcom and SFEX is to SF.
Originally posted by No End N Site
He died in all those endings. Just not instantly. And in none of those endings was the canon powered by Kyo's move.
The fact his body doesn't disintegrate and survived in a short time is still impressive.
Originally posted by No End N SiteThose endings do not contradict the powers of the characters. There isn't an ending of Gill tryin' to split the sea and failin' and then another of him tryin' and succeedin'. Like endings where Zero is shown to be utterly destroyed by the Z.Canon in one and merely killed by it in another ending. There has never been an instance in SF where Gill even used all of his powers, except that one ending. Bison did tank the mushroom in cloud in actual canon, he then went on to fight Rose afterward.
Do you even had a proof that those ending doesn't contradict their power? You say Zero got killed immediately even though there's no scene where Zero immediately died (K' team, Athena team, Benimaru team, and the others except Ikari and Kyo, are not together with Zero). But there are two endings showed Zero still able to talk after got hit by the beam. Nothing contradict his power in this case.
Originally posted by No End N SiteKOF AD is canon to itself, but is separate from the 'real' KOF time line. Like Marvel VS Capcom and SFEX is to SF.
There are many non-canon movie for SNK but SNK never put them on their site. Even though it's not canon, it's still supervised by SNK themselves so it won't contradict their own power.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
The fact his body doesn't disintegrate and survived in a short time is still impressive.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
Do you even had a proof that those ending doesn't contradict their power?
Yes...the actual canon does not contradict their feats. There is nothin' in the story that shows Gill is unable to do what he did because he lacks the power to do so. Unlike the case is wit Zero.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
You say Zero got killed immediately even though there's no scene where Zero immediately died (K' team, Athena team, Benimaru team, and the others except Ikari and Kyo, are not together with Zero). But there are two endings showed Zero still able to talk after got hit by the beam. Nothing contradict his power in this case.
In the canon ending, Zero is shot and everything around him goes white and you can see him shred away. After that, there is nothin'. This leads me to believe that in canon, the blast vaporized him. 2 non canon endings that show him die moments after the blast can't trump the real ending showin' him be vaporized by the same blast.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
There are many non-canon movie for SNK but SNK never put them on their site. Even though it's not canon, it's still supervised by SNK themselves so it won't contradict their own power.
My point is, the movie is based off of a non canon KOF series. KOFAD is canon to KOFMI. And this exact same thing can be said for all the SF movies, all the MK movies, the Tekken movie, and a load of other games. Do you have any official statements that say KOFAD has canon powers in it because just being "supervised" isn't enough? The director of the SFA movie states clearly that "this is how they would fight unrestricted by gameplay". UDON says "they have to get approval from Capcom to publish and sell the comics, everything must be in character". Can you provide any statements similar to these?
Originally posted by No End N SiteYes...the actual canon does not contradict their feats. There is nothin' in the story that shows Gill is unable to do what he did because he lacks the power to do so. Unlike the case is wit Zero.
Then I can also say that Bao survived the city busting attack and deflected it because there's no evidence of how weak Bao is.
Originally posted by No End N SiteIn the canon ending, Zero is shot and everything around him goes white and you can see him shred away. After that, there is nothin'. This leads me to believe that in canon, the blast vaporized him. 2 non canon endings that show him die moments after the blast can't trump the real ending showin' him be vaporized by the same blast.
The scene where everything around him goes white happened in every ending. Just because everything goes white doesn't mean you can say he is vaporized.
Originally posted by No End N SiteMy point is, the movie is based off of a non canon KOF series. KOFAD is canon to KOFMI. And this exact same thing can be said for all the SF movies, all the MK movies, the Tekken movie, and a load of other games. Do you have any official statements that say KOFAD has canon powers in it because just being "supervised" isn't enough? The director of the SFA movie states clearly that "this is how they would fight unrestricted by gameplay". UDON says "they have to get approval from Capcom to publish and sell the comics, everything must be in character". Can you provide any statements similar to these? [/B]
I agree that UDON might show their canon ability even though they are not canon. But in SFA case, we have a new canon source : SF4. So the less canon source cannot be used, in this case, SFA movie. KOF on the other hand, finally there's a short episode supervised by SNK, continued to KOF MI series, and the plot from KOF XI also involved in KOF AD. Aren't these good evidences?
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
Then I can also say that Bao survived the city busting attack and deflected it because there's no evidence of how weak Bao is.
Not to keen on the history of Bao but I think the 2000 ending shows Bao has hidden potential. If there is no counter evidence like Bao bein' unable to tank somethin' weaker than that blast in the past, then why not? However, that is a very rare occasion where Bao's hidden potential is unleashed. Like how Ryu beat Bison, who can tank a mushroom cloud blast, in a single SRK. At that one moment, Ryu's true potential was unleashed. Due to the fact that the circumstances lead to a very rare event that wont happen very often, you don't see me paradin' that around as a Ryu feat.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
The scene where everything around him goes white happened in every ending. Just because everything goes white doesn't mean you can say he is vaporized.
He is not seen after that, at all. Sounds like he got vaped to me.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
I agree that UDON might show their canon ability even though they are not canon. But in SFA case, we have a new canon source : SF4. So the less canon source cannot be used, in this case, SFA movie.
Not true. SFA takes place many years before SFIV. They both can be used because they both show a Ryu at different stages in his life. Capcom has said that they wanted the director to capture the fighting style of the characters, unrestricted.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
KOF on the other hand, finally there's a short episode supervised by SNK, continued to KOF MI series, and the plot from KOF XI also involved in KOF AD. Aren't these good evidences?
KOFAD is canon to KOFMI because it is a prequel to those events that take place in the game. The regular KOFs take place in like an alternate time line. You can use the movie for canon abilities of the KOFMI version of Kyo if that version of Kyo was in a thread. But the Kyo in KOFMI and the Kyo of the regular KOFs are virtually 2 different people, unless you can prove that KOFMI is not an alternate universe.
Originally posted by No End N Site
[B]Not to keen on the history of Bao but I think the 2000 ending shows Bao has hidden potential. If there is no counter evidence like Bao bein' unable to tank somethin' weaker than that blast in the past, then why not? However, that is a very rare occasion where Bao's hidden potential is unleashed. Like how Ryu beat Bison, who can tank a mushroom cloud blast, in a single SRK. At that one moment, Ryu's true potential was unleashed. Due to the fact that the circumstances lead to a very rare event that wont happen very often, you don't see me paradin' that around as a Ryu feat.
Then, can I also say the same thing with Takuma, Chang, and Choi? 😐
Originally posted by No End N SiteHe is not seen after that, at all. Sounds like he got vaped to me.
Because the characters ARE NOT together with him, except in Ikari Warriors and Kyo team.
Originally posted by No End N Site
Not true. SFA takes place many years before SFIV. They both can be used because they both show a Ryu at different stages in his life. Capcom has said that they wanted the director to capture the fighting style of the characters, unrestricted.
The SFA movie doesn't take place before SF4 (SFA is. But not the movie). Besides, the way they fight is different if you look at both movies.
Originally posted by No End N SiteKOFAD is canon to KOFMI because it is a prequel to those events that take place in the game. The regular KOFs take place in like an alternate time line. You can use the movie for canon abilities of the KOFMI version of Kyo if that version of Kyo was in a thread. But the Kyo in KOFMI and the Kyo of the regular KOFs are virtually 2 different people, unless you can prove that KOFMI is not an alternate universe.
Alternate timeline, true. but if you know SNK's habit, there's a different timeline like FF-AOF timeline, KOF-FF timeline and now, we have KOF-KOF MI timeline. So far, Terry's power in KOF-FF timeline is the same with the AOF-FF timeline and no one doubting about it except (maybe) you. KOF-KOF MI timeline is like the same like these timeline. That doesn't make any differences, and event from KOF XI also involved in this anime.