Kratos seeks vengeance on Kain

Originally posted by Burning thought
Yes and he is going to have to use spells and distance to beat Kratos. Kains going to be a hard foe to pierce and hit because his vampire reflexes>Kratos but Kratos one slash would splatter Kain since Kratos can stop Titans.

If were using characters then its a wise and manipulative Kain who [b]does teleport, use magic blasts and TK in combat VS an angry and bloodlusted Spartan who will just run at Kain with what hes got. Kratosn ever uses his magic or arrows in the cinematics iirc, at least not against major foes.

He knew the Elder God was fearful and he had the right weapon for the job, the reaver. Not sure its quite the same in this situation since Kain could never cross a sword with Kratos and win. [/B]

Kratos doesn't often rely on his arrows and never once did I suggest he would do so here. I think just like Kain they fight how they normally do which means Kratos is going to close the distance and use his weapons to attack while narrowing the gap.

How much quicker do you feel Kain is then Kratos?

Kain also locked swords with the Sarafan Lord in part 2 and I see him doing so here using his speed while engaging him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When did he use spells and such to keep his distance in the game? You have to give instances in my book to definitively prove this is the manner in which Kain would fight Kratos.

Kratos doesn't often rely on his arrows and never once did I suggest he would do so here. I think just like Kain they fight how they normally do which means Kratos is going to close the distance and use his weapons to attack while narrowing the gap.

How much quicker do you feel Kain is then Kratos?

Kain also locked swords with the Sarafan Lord in part 2 and I see him doing so here using his speed while engaging him.

He uses teleportation in Soul reaver 1.

Ofc not, he relies on pure physical strength in almost every fight. But the point I am making is, why leave out their other powers just becase they dont usually use them in particular in game fights? this is narrowing their options because in their fights in Legacy of Kain or God of War, opponents are scripted.

A fair degree faster, lets just say that if Kratos had equel strength to Kain Kains speed would block all of Kratos' attacks and deal some major damage.

The Sarafan lord cannot stop Titans like Kratos can 😛

Originally posted by Burning thought
He uses teleportation in Soul reaver 1.

Ofc not, he relies on pure physical strength in almost every fight. But the point I am making is, why leave out their other powers just becase they dont usually use them in particular in game fights? this is narrowing their options because in their fights in Legacy of Kain or God of War, opponents are scripted.

A fair degree faster, lets just say that if Kratos had equel strength to Kain Kains speed would block all of Kratos' attacks and deal some major damage.

The Sarafan lord cannot stop Titans like Kratos can 😛

That's one time in how many fights. I think he can and maybe would use teleportation here but not fight using various spells and such which he all but abandoned after part 1.

Yes, but these fights are how we gauge how they react in certain situations and how they fight.

I don't see him blocking all of Kratos' attacks I see him maybe one or two and dodging one or two and then getting caught.

Yeah, I know that but he went up to the elder god and started slashing away right out of the gate as well.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Against who raziel?

That's one time in how many fights. I think he can and maybe would use teleportation here but not fight using various spells and such which he all but abandoned after part 1.

Yes, but these fights are how we gauge how they react in certain situations and how they fight.

I don't see him blocking all of Kratos' attacks I see him maybe one or two and dodging one or two and then getting caught.

Yeah, I know that but he went up to the elder god and started slashing away right out of the gate as well.

Yeh

He does not have many fights. Hes never had to use them or had a canon storyline reason to use them after the first one.

He has no other weapon that could be effective. If i was Kain, taking into account all my options thats probably what I would have done....

Originally posted by Burning thought
Yeh

He does not have many fights. Hes never had to use them or had a canon storyline reason to use them after the first one.

He has no other weapon that could be effective. If i was Kain, taking into account all my options thats probably what I would have done....

He didn't hesitate using his sword and coming right up on him despite being shocked at how awesome of a foe he faced. Kratos isn't as physically as imposing so he won't hesitate to take him on with his trusted soul reaver.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He can use teleportation as he has done so but using spells while maintaining a distance is just you arguing powerset vs. powerset so we can throw that out.

He didn't hesitate using his sword and coming right up on him despite being shocked at how awesome of a foe he faced. Kratos isn't as physically as imposing so he won't hesitate to take him on with his trusted soul reaver.

You just seem to be throwing out all character powers and using the basic gameplay elements seen in the games rather than using the charatcers as intelligent entities.

Why would he hesitate? and as I said, he had the right weapon for the job, hes not going to teleport and shoot spells at the EG, it would be pointless.

Kratos does not seem to always land the first blow, for example he stands around and actually allows his opponent to make the first action like he did with Hercules.

And Kain does teleport backwards and use magic, in Soul reaver 1 as I said. Therefore, Kain destroys Kratos with magic.

Originally posted by Burning thought
You just seem to be throwing out all character powers and using the basic gameplay elements seen in the games rather than using the charatcers as intelligent entities.

Why would he hesitate? and as I said, he had the right weapon for the job, hes not going to teleport and shoot spells at the EG, it would be pointless.

Kratos does not seem to always land the first blow, for example he stands around and actually allows his opponent to make the first action like he did with Hercules.

And Kain does teleport backwards and use magic, in Soul reaver 1 as I said. Therefore, Kain destroys Kratos with magic.

He doesn't teleport and use spells against anyone basically in combat outside the game. I guess Kain can shoot souls at him with hades magic while protecting himself with spartan shields, right?

Ok.

What kind of magic did he use in part 1?

Kain literally cannot harm Kratos. Kratos catches the BoO when Zeus swings it in GoW3, apparently. Kain would need to be atleast on the 2 GJ level to even think about harming Kratos, and how's he even going to get Kratos' blood out of his super durable body? 😬

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Kain literally cannot harm Kratos. Kratos catches the BoO when Zeus swings it in GoW3, apparently. Kain would need to be atleast on the 2 GJ level to even think about harming Kratos, and how's he even going to get Kratos' blood out of his super durable body? 😬

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Kain literally cannot harm Kratos. Kratos catches the BoO when Zeus swings it in GoW3, apparently. Kain would need to be atleast on the 2 GJ level to even think about harming Kratos, and how's he even going to get Kratos' blood out of his super durable body? 😬

Originally posted by quanchi112
These tactics seemed just fine and with the tactics Kain used he was victories in the end so you can't argue with success.

He doesn't teleport and use spells against anyone basically in combat outside the game. I guess Kain can shoot souls at him with hades magic while protecting himself with spartan shields, right?

Ok.

What kind of magic did he use in part 1?

He did not attack Kratos in LoK games and as i said earlier, gameplay limitations should not limit charatcers in a real fight in a vs debate.

Raziel, Kain never since becoming an Elder Vampire look to kill his serious opponents. hes broken the neck of a few soldiers, thats it. He used teleportation and magic vs Raziel and he used his sword on Elder God. Knowing Kain as an intelligent and devious character who would not ignore his powers in a fight he would use all his spells.

An energy blast. Its irrelevant however, as its proven kain uses magic at range while teleporting. Case settled.

Originally posted by Burning thought
He did not attack Kratos in LoK games and as i said earlier, gameplay limitations should not limit charatcers in a real fight in a vs debate.

Raziel, Kain [b]never since becoming an Elder Vampire look to kill his serious opponents. hes broken the neck of a few soldiers, thats it. He used teleportation and magic vs Raziel and he used his sword on Elder God. Knowing Kain as an intelligent and devious character who would not ignore his powers in a fight he would use all his spells.

An energy blast. Its irrelevant however, as its proven kain uses magic at range while teleporting. Case settled. [/B]

Yes, he would but you want to say he wouldn't because you really want him to win. I love Kain and Kratos but neither just powerset it up. Kain will use his speed and his sword mainly with a hint of teleportation in my opinion if necessary.

He's withstood mighty blasts from Zeus so if anything this is a major step down and considering it didn't kill Raziel it's nothing but a minor nuisance.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I know that but by the same token Kratos never fought him either and we can't just say well Kratos goes into rage mode while shooting hades souls at him while using spartan shields to protect himself. This isn't how these characters fight normally in scenes and is only available through gameplay.

Yes, he would but you want to say he wouldn't because you really want him to win. I love Kain and Kratos but neither just powerset it up. Kain will use his speed and his sword mainly with a hint of teleportation in my opinion if necessary.

He's withstood mighty blasts from Zeus so if anything this is a major step down and considering it didn't kill Raziel it's nothing but a minor nuisance.

Them only being used by the player does not negate the canon of these powers, Kratos did canonically gain spartan shields and has access to all of the weapons of the Gods just like Kain has his powers, unless their idiotsin this matchup their going to use all their abilities to prevent themselves from being destroyed.

Has he? recently played GOW 3, cant remember GOW 2 but when did Kratos take the blast? and it does kill Raziel if it hits him.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Them only being used by the player does not negate the canon of these powers, Kratos did canonically gain spartan shields and has access to all of the weapons of the Gods just like Kain has his powers, unless their idiotsin this matchup their going to use all their abilities to prevent themselves from being destroyed.

Has he? recently played GOW 3, cant remember GOW 2 but when did Kratos take the blast? and it does kill Raziel if it hits him.

When he is on Mount Olympus after he defeats Poseidon. The blast doesn't kill him it sends him back along with doing massive damage to gaea and the fall really wrecks Kratos not the blast.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I disagree they will fight in character and I don't like to argue based on what I would do based on the abilities in the game I like to argue what the character what do otherwise we take the characters out of this and just focus on powersets.

When he is on Mount Olympus after he defeats Poseidon. The blast doesn't kill him it sends him back along with doing massive damage to gaea and the fall really wrecks Kratos not the blast.

I dont like to argue based on what gameplay versions have done in very specific cinematic situations. I like to argue based on what the characters would do with their powers.

Kratos ends up in the river of souls and Kratos falls, the lightning from Zeus hit Gaias arm, not Kratos.

Originally posted by Burning thought
I dont like to argue based on what gameplay versions have done in very specific cinematic situations. I like to argue based on what the characters would do with their powers.

Kratos ends up in the river of souls and Kratos falls, the lightning from Zeus hit Gaias arm, not Kratos.

I'll have to watch it again but I could have sworn it hit them both.

Originally posted by quanchi112
By doing so you are saying Kain can't win this and this is how I would use his powers against Kratos which shows a real distrust in Kain the character imo.

I'll have to watch it again but I could have sworn it hit them both.

Kain as a character is a sorcerorous and greatly intelligent entity. Not some brawler, your basing Kain not using any powers simply because he does not in gameplay, or did not decide to soul rape and blood drain Moebius for the lulz....

I think the main blast hit Gaia alone, I think Kratos simply fell.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Kain as a character is a sorcerorous and greatly intelligent entity. Not some brawler, your basing Kain not using any powers simply because he does not in gameplay, or did not decide to soul rape and blood drain Moebius for the lulz....

I think the main blast hit Gaia alone, I think Kratos simply fell.

I saw it as hitting them both.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Funny, because he's brawled in virtually every scene with his trustworthy soulreaver.

I saw it as hitting them both.

Name those scenes since hes become the Elder Kain? the only time he did not face a random pawn that he could kill with one hand is the only time he used some major powers in a cinematic. This does not negate the canon that Kain is an intelligent entity with a vast list of powers.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Name those scenes since hes become the Elder Kain? the only time he did not face a random pawn that he could kill with one hand is the only time he used some major powers in a cinematic. This does not negate the canon that Kain is an intelligent entity with a vast list of powers.

I'm not saying Kain becomes brain dead here I am saying like Kratos they cross swords.