"Everyone Draw Muhammad Day" causing waves.

you get fired if you did it on tv b/c ppl would get butt hurt and complain and the channel would lose viewers which is why they would fire a broadcaster or whatnot.. maybe pay a fine for using slurs i forgot the name of the organization that keeps track of that..

anyways no one should go to jail for making racial slurs.. and ppl shouldnt be forced to apologize for their opinion even if it is offensive less they want to..

i always find it disingenuous that ppl feel they are owed an apology b/c of what a celebrity did to some one they have never met.

But they usually are forced to, arent they? And that makes the freedom of speech kinda pointless, one should either be allowed to say anything, anytime to anyone or if there are gonna be limitations it should be up to people to decide what's offensive and what isn't.
People were put in prison (not in US though I think) for holocaust denial, that does not imply hatred, and yet they were sentenced for several years.
Read there are cases when the freedom of speech is limited, one of those cases - "offence principal", not sure though if there's any real definition of it or if it really works, but its supposed to be taken into acount going by many factors including "the number of offended people" (yeah, Wiki..) and in this case that'd be like over 1.5 billion.

they get fired for violation of their contract one possibly being a morality clause.. anyways i dont think any one should go to jail for denying the holocaust might as well start doing the same for ppl who support other non popular leaders who have done questionable things..

i dont like certain countries and their citizens or even certain past american leaders but ppl who support them shouldnt go to jail.. hell, i think ppl who think police brutality and corruption isnt prevalent should be shot and killed with the dirty pigs but that is what i want not something that should ever be enforced by rule of law..

i take it you come from europe due to your view on freedom of speech and what could be considered criminal.. a lot of times cops dont arrest you for slurs and hate speech even though that is the specific reason why they plan to arrest you which should be criminal and fall under false arrest, imprisonment but cops get around this by claiming incitement and whatnot and disorderly conduct etc etc..

I see. And you're correct, im from russia and only know about US freedom of speech in theory so I can only speculate and ask questions. Freedom of speech here only works until you get too far with it.
i.e say whatever you want, noone would care, but if you're a public person, a politician for example and try to speak up you might get arrested for tax evasion and "hang yourself" in a prison cell.

in all fairness their is no such thing as freedom of speech..

their was a time in the 80's and 90's you could swear and curse and some one even make threats in the heat of the moment but now threatening some one will get you jailed for a few days, fine and even probation or monitored..

you cant play music in certain areas or volumes or make noise after a certain time...

also you can call ppl stupid, ignorant, f@gget, n!Gger and someone will complain is it criminal? no.. but the pressure of ppl nagging and running you off your job is high if you arent fired already for violation of your contract ..

its how it works for politicians and celebrities that is why you can be a comedian and cuss and make racial slurs all the time and no one cares but if you have an image ppl wont pay to see you and will go out of their way to ruin your career if you do something they dont like.. often times it is individual ppl not the law that persecute you... but no one cares not the law b/c they dont like what you had to say other whise they would have patrols and following leads of ppl for harassment some times the supposed victim are worse then the supposed instigator who has their own opinion..

look at tiger woods what the hell did he do to you or anyone else? nothing yet ppl feel the need to be apologized b/c of what he did in his personal life.. he goes and tries to clean his image not b/c he feels he owes you an apology but b/c he has money on the line from corporate sponsorships and deals in the millions... these are ppl who are hurting him b/c they dont like what one person did by taking their money or livelihood but honestly how much money do ppl like tiger need that they need to apologize to the american ppl for cheating on his wife.. or any celebrity for say racial or gay comments

In Germany if you adress a policeman with the familiar form of you, "Du" you can get fined. And if you insult him you get well in the poo, not much free speach there.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
in all fairness their is no such thing as freedom of speech..

their was a time in the 80's and 90's you could swear and curse and some one even make threats in the heat of the moment but now threatening some one will get you jailed for a few days, fine and even probation or monitored..

you cant play music in certain areas or volumes or make noise after a certain time...

also you can call ppl stupid, ignorant, f@gget, n!Gger and someone will complain is it criminal? no.. but the pressure of ppl nagging and running you off your job is high if you arent fired already for violation of your contract ..

its how it works for politicians and celebrities that is why you can be a comedian and cuss and make racial slurs all the time and no one cares but if you have an image ppl wont pay to see you and will go out of their way to ruin your career if you do something they dont like.. often times it is individual ppl not the law that persecute you... but no one cares not the law b/c they dont like what you had to say other whise they would have patrols and following leads of ppl for harassment some times the supposed victim are worse then the supposed instigator who has their own opinion..

look at tiger woods what the hell did he do to you or anyone else? nothing yet ppl feel the need to be apologized b/c of what he did in his personal life.. he goes and tries to clean his image not b/c he feels he owes you an apology but b/c he has money on the line from corporate sponsorships and deals in the millions... these are ppl who are hurting him b/c they dont like what one person did by taking their money or livelihood but honestly how much money do ppl like tiger need that they need to apologize to the american ppl for cheating on his wife.. or any celebrity for say racial or gay comments

So wait people should have the right to say whatever they want, no matter how potentially dangerous or offensive but it's not okay to complain about people saying things are are potentially dangerous or offensive?

Oh yeah, that's freedom. The agressor is always right. Nice.

i think ppl need to draw the line between emotional outburst and straight out threat with intend.. you have kids now getting the police called on them b/c they flip some one or swore at them.. trying and succeeding in arresting them with BS trumped up charges.. he threaten me..

Yup, making threats is definitely one of the most important rights that people have. That is absolutely the sort of person we should be going out of our way to protect.

so you think some one who calls someone else a f@gget, queer or say: i oughta kick your ass, or flips some one off should be arrested?

even though he had no intend to harm him and simply said i oughta during a fit of rage for lets say a traffic accident?

maybe it should be criminal to call a pig a dirty pig for doing questionable actions and harrassing a citizen?

I think that religion is religion no matter how you slice it. Weather it be Christian,Buddhist,Jewish,Muslim and so on and so forth.

meaning here in America its clearly stated that it's ok to be religious and be of any religion but don't practice it in public like schools or at work Ect.

so my point to all this is simple. as to weather i believe it's ok to draw Muhammad or not in America, yes because it's not breaking any laws. if i have a Muslim teacher or boss and i do in fact draw a picture of Muhammad im in no trouble because while i may get yelled at for the reason it might offend some people that's as far as it goes. The reason is because if any punishment were to be given for this it would in fact be breaking the law because unless i was doing it for the purpose to be offensive(which would be hard to prove) I did nothing wrong. in America your neighbor, a stranger, relative, boss, teacher, NO ONE has the right to punish you for doing something that's against they're religion unless its intended to be a hate crime because if you base punishment off of weather someone offended you due to your religion then your not separating "religion and state".

now as for draw muhammad day i see it being offensive but i also see why it happened. a group of Muslims had to to ruin the life of good people by threatening to kill the creators of south park.

most Muslim probably would have been offended but they should have just not watched it if it bothered them. which im sure most were willing to do but one group of jerks go and threaten lives and now it makes them all look bad. that group should have been found and arrested for breaking the law. it didn't happen so when it comes down to it this wouldn't have happened if not for those "terrorists" so if the entire Muslims community has a problem with it they only have that group of stupid individuals to thank.

you would think all of the Muslims in America would be wanting that group arrested more then anyone else because these people are making all Muslims the target of jokes and attack so to speak.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
this is a good point, you can't judge people who lived in a totally different era, a barbaric era which we cannot begin to comprehend by today's standards

I think you can, thats why were not barbaric anmore. say we pass a law were its ok to beat women if we wait 1400 years that will make it ok?

You can´t because you can´t go back in time and arrest all the people who did bad things by todays laws, nearly everyone including Moses and various Bible and Koran characters who mass murdered folk.

But you can look back and judge their actions to be horrific(because they are), which is the point.

You can´t go back and judge them, you can say now that it was nasty by todays standards.

This of course brings up the argument of whether people are born with a conscounce or whether it is developed by education or religious fear of hell and all that.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
You can´t go back and judge them, you can say now that it was nasty by todays standards.

This of course brings up the argument of whether people are born with a conscounce or whether it is developed by education or religious fear of hell and all that.

Except all you've done so far is talk. You haven't actually given a credible reason for why we can't judge them. Simply repeating that statemnt over and over again doesn't make a strong argument.

Your argument simply boils down to if people did something a long time ago and its common practice it makes it ok. Again I ask you.

Originally posted by Deadline
I think you can, thats why were not barbaric anmore. say we pass a law were its ok to beat women if we wait 1400 years that will make it ok?

Originally posted by inimalist
cool

so you admit you were using the term improperly and my point is done

Sure, from a certain point of view.

If he were tried in a court today, he'd be a criminal pedo. teehee

Originally posted by dadudemon
Sure, from a certain point of view.

If he were tried in a court today, he'd be a criminal pedo. teehee

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Not if he used magical spells.

Damnit!

Pwned a again. 🙁

Or his Darth Farts: