"Everyone Draw Muhammad Day" causing waves.

I noticed the "Draw Muhammad Day" campagn has quite annoyed some.

Pakistan has banned the facebook site, yep can you believe it a COUNTRY has banned a certain site over some daft sketches of Muhammad!!

For those who havn´t heard of this, "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day" is a protest against those Islamists who attempt to restrict freedom of speech by threatening violence against anyone who offends them or Islam. It originally began as a protest against censorship of South Park episode "201" by Comedy Central in response to death threats from radical Islamists.

I personally wouldn´t take part in this because I don´t like going out of my way to offend people, but I can see their point.

(Wasn´t sure if this belongs in the relgion section or not, I thought not seeing as it doesn´t actually discuss any religous ideals but a free speech campagn)

Anyone who takes religion that seriously, making death threats against others, is being a hypocrite and going against their religion (Where in Islam does it say to kill others for their beliefs?)

I personally hate religion because of this, I understand not everyone is a fanatic but all it ever does it divide people.

I think this protest is good, these extremists need to realise its merely a petty religion and to relax and live a little.

I agree, if people have to threaten and kill people because they critize their relgion then they must be very insecure in their beliefs.

After all if the God they believe in wasn´t happy about "puny humans" taking the piss he could do something about it himself being almighty.

As for Muhammad, he was human so what´s wrong with drawing him.
If he supposed to be some sort of incarnation of God then I could understand the "Blasphemy", well not really due to above argument.

All I know is if these radical Muslims keep on this aggressive path, one day they are really going to piss the wrong people off and the backlash could be cataclasmic.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
All I know is if these radical Muslims keep on this aggressive path, one day they are really going to piss the wrong people off and the backlash could be cataclasmic.

I was thinking the same thing. If religion is used too much to justify murder, then, eventually, the steadily atheistic/agnostic growing world, will eventually be the majority in all of the most powerful nations. Religions will then be banned or destroyed to be or limited to small or harmless religions (for instance, certain forms of buddhism and shintoism.)

Originally posted by dadudemon
I was thinking the same thing. If religion is used too much to justify murder, then, eventually, the steadily atheistic/agnostic growing world, will eventually be the majority in all of the most powerful nations. Religions will then be banned or destroyed to be or limited to small or harmless religions (for instance, certain forms of buddhism and shintoism.)

Maybe that´s what the "mighty" powerful people of this world are actually doing, trying to wipe religion out.

The transistion would be very bloody though, unless some Aliens appear and say "hey it was us, we wanted to help but you were to barbaric so we did the God thing" , "here´s the evidence".

The problem with this idea is the "bringers of this message" (for want of a better phrase) would probably be deemed the "anti christ", "fallen angels" or demons of some sort by the blinker wearing religious folk.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
Maybe that´s what the "mighty" powerful people of this world are actually doing, trying to wipe religion out.

The transistion would be very bloody though, unless some Aliens appear and say "hey it was us, we wanted to help but you were to barbaric so we did the God thing" , "here´s the evidence".

The problem with this idea is the "bringers of this message" (for want of a better phrase) would probably be deemed the "anti christ", "fallen angels" or demons of some sort by the blinker wearing religious folk.

What's funny about that is there is actually a Christian religion that believes just that: Jesus was an alien and aliens will come back eventually to reveal their....alien...ness...n'stuff.

Also, your latin phrase in your sig is all too fitting for this conversation.

Gee golly a day devoted to offending people has offended some people.

I am so part of this movement.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Gee golly a day devoted to offending people has offended some people.

I was going to say: how surprising it is that Muslim nations have banned things they feel are against their beliefs!!!

Go West! Stick that finger in the eye of the Muslim youth, who have no concept of the struggle for freedom of speech, and are just going to interpret it as a pseduo-Colonial mockery, further cementing the idea in the Muslim world that the rest of the planet is out to get them. Thats what is going to de-radicalize the religion.

We all know Serrano's "Piss Christ" was the moment the Christian church decided to get out of politics and become moderate... or wait....

I have no problem with offending those who I feel hold offensive or violent beliefs. Not simply for the sake of offending them, but in order to bring about some positive change.

However, kinda what inamilist was saying, I remain dubious that such outbursts are a constructive way of doing that.

should name it terrorist day

Originally posted by Digi
I have no problem with offending those who I feel hold offensive or violent beliefs. Not simply for the sake of offending them, but in order to bring about some positive change.

what positive change do you think this could possibly bring?

people who have extremely generalized views of the Muslim faith are going to continue to have extremely generalized views of the Muslim faith, and Muslims who are offended by this are going to be offended and think the West as a whole (because they generalize as well as we do) is out to mock their religion.

god, its the stupid ****ing myth of activism. here, you want freedom of speech in the Islamic world? Tell western governments to stop supporting autocratic rulers in oil producing nations. Many of these governments would have long since fell were it not for Western support, and our support for them has our values labeled as corrupt. To them, the freedom to blaspheme is corrupt.

Originally posted by Digi
However, kinda what inamilist was saying, I remain dubious that such outbursts are a constructive way of doing that.

such outbursts are little better than the protests that we saw in the Muslim world in response to the cartoons

Originally posted by Liberator
(Where in Islam does it say to kill others for their beliefs?)

Let there be no compulsion is religion.
-The Koran 2:256

Tell the Unbelievers: "You go and have your religion and I shall have mine." They will not believe as you do, and you will not believe as they do, so part ways with a calm tongue.
-The Koran 109:6

So I think these nuts are just looking to cause some havoc.

actually, those are all earlier prophecies from before Mohammed was a military leader in... **** i get these confused, either Mecca or Medina.

As he gained political power, his statements became much more like "kill the infidel", and to people who are violent muslims today, there is more emphasis placed on the later suras than the earlier ones (earlier in terms of when they were said, not where they occur in the Quran)

It's just upsetting a majority who have nothing to do with the extremists. Pretty moronic 'protest'.

My drawing is gonna be awesome

Originally posted by MildPossession
It's just upsetting a majority who have nothing to do with the extremists. Pretty moronic 'protest'.

Well, it's about the right to offend people, really. Standing united against threats or something.

I don't know, I do find it outrageous that Comedy Central chose to censor their programming due to threat, and I suppose this shows that a lot of people stand behind the message the SP episode had, i.e. there shouldn't be any topic off limits to satire and ridicule, or more than that even neutral expression.

on a more serious note, I might just have to participate in this, I've had some pretty hilarious ideas since debating this issue

Originally posted by Bicnarok
I noticed the "Draw Muhammad Day" campagn has quite annoyed some.

Pakistan has banned the facebook site, yep can you believe it a COUNTRY has banned a certain site over some daft sketches of Muhammad!!

For those who havn´t heard of this, "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day" is a protest against those Islamists who attempt to restrict freedom of speech by threatening violence against anyone who offends them or Islam. It originally began as a protest against censorship of South Park episode "201" by Comedy Central in response to death threats from radical Islamists.

I personally wouldn´t take part in this because I don´t like going out of my way to offend people, but I can see their point.

(Wasn´t sure if this belongs in the relgion section or not, I thought not seeing as it doesn´t actually discuss any religous ideals but a free speech campagn)

I seen the campaign and thus far to me it doesn't feel like Freedom of Expression but more of a "media trolling" to only stir controversy directly at a certain group. What SP did was satire and pretty clever humor. This "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day" feels more like gimmick.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
[b]Let there be no compulsion is religion.
-The Koran 2:256

Tell the Unbelievers: "You go and have your religion and I shall have mine." They will not believe as you do, and you will not believe as they do, so part ways with a calm tongue.
-The Koran 109:6

So I think these nuts are just looking to cause some havoc. [/B]