Originally posted by Robtard
So in the end, there is nothing in scripture stating that depicting Mohammad is wrong and/or punishable by death?
its probably some lines about blasphemy, graven images, not worshiping man made objects in the place of the prophet, and other about the consequences of insulting Islam, but no, afaik, there are no direct passages that specifically deal with making depictions of the prophet.
Though, this is true of most things in most religions. The theological justification for the veil comes from verses where mohammed makes people speak to Aiesha from behind a curtain.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Cause that would hurt. I am in favour of proliferating his art though in protest. You should start the movement. So, did that happen a week ago? Were there death threats?
it wasn't a week ago, but there were death threats, much clearer than the veiled ones in this case. But the point is the same. If you think promoting freedom of speech means deliberatly going out and making people feel uncomfortable because dammit, it is your right, that just seems silly.
The ADL, numerous Christian and family groups, and really any interest group at this point constantly complain and try to get media taken off the air. And yes, often death threats are used. We don't hear about it because a) the police know it is normally a cook and b) making a big fuss about it gives these people more power!
If anything, you should be protesting in a way that offends or shames comedy central and other broadcasters who gave into these threats.
Originally posted by Bardock42
No one (reasonable, of course there are ignorant idiots and I'm with you on that) is denying that. It's when death threats and actual violent actions come into play that people get annoyed.
The problem is, rules against the depiction of Mohammed are not just things believed by islamic extremeists.
You are not simply targeting the people who made the threats, unless you generalize all muslims as being violent in that way
Originally posted by Bardock42
When you say, you think that this movement is wrong and offensive you might want to keep in mind that it is drawings, simple doodles, protesting death threats (or more than that actual murders).
I didn't say wrong or offensive, I said dumb, ineffectual, counter productive, ethnic out-grouping, aimed at the wrong group and sort of ignorant of how reactive the muslim identity is to western influence. I'd add immature
Originally posted by inimalistThough, this is true of most things in most religions. The theological justification for the veil comes from verses where mohammed makes people speak to Aiesha from behind a curtain.
Probably to minimize people finding out he's bedding a 9 year old, dude.
"Oh, no, Abbud, she just sounds VERY young." *nervous laugh*
Originally posted by Robtard
Probably to minimize people finding out he's bedding a 9 year old, dude."Oh, no, Abbud, she just sounds VERY young." *nervous laugh*
his wedding Aiesha and the theological justifications for it represent something that was common practice at the time, not something mohammed invented and justified through revelation
the fact that we see it as wrong aside, there is little doubt that he treated Aiesha very well, and there would be little reason for him to try and hide her age
I get the joke, but it is more about him valueing her (possibly overly possessive) and not wanting these other men to tarnish or desire her (in south asia, looking is similar to touching, in that it is considered a real form of contact, Hindu caste regulation is really weird about it) than trying to hide anything
Originally posted by BackFire
Strange. I said all that in court when I boinked a 9 year old, and it didn't fly.I was born in the wrong age.
indeed
many culture have practiced many things that we would deem immoral, and undoubtedly, in 100 years, people will look back at our own savagery and ignorance for their own comfort, much like we do
Originally posted by inimalist
indeedmany culture have practiced many things that we would deem immoral, and undoubtedly, in 100 years, people will look back at our own savagery and ignorance for their own comfort, much like we do
I can see it now. The inside of a Snapple:
Did 100 years ago you could actually be arrested for having sex with a child?
Originally posted by Robtard
Don't care what age I was born in, I can't begin to imagine seeing a 9 year old child as a sexual object.No ass, **** and the face of a little kid, just doesn't fly for me. Wait, maybe he married her for the scintillating conversation she could offer.
well, yes, but its only a recent phenomenon that people get married for love, and even more recent that sexual attraction was one of the most important parts of this.
Were you born in the mid 600s in the Arabian peninsula, you would not be marrying for love, no matter how many wives you had or how old you were. The marriage to Aisha was almost certainly to cement family loyalties, and this practice was common through the middle ages in Europe, with equally young girls.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I can see it now. The inside of a Snapple:Did 100 years ago you could actually be arrested for having sex with a child?
ha, I hope it doesn't swing back that way... I sort of meant with regard to environmental policy and animal rights (not I believe these are the moral "best", just that it seems this is the way society is going)
Originally posted by Robtard
Don't care what age I was born in, I can't begin to imagine seeing a 9 year old child as a sexual object.No ass, **** and the face of a little kid, just doesn't fly for me. Wait, maybe he married her for the scintillating conversation she could offer.
Culture is a powerful force. I can't imagine being attracted to chubby women by the Greeks were all about the blubber.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Culture is a powerful force. I can't imagine being attracted to chubby women by the Greeks were all about the blubber.
Al Jazeera did a special on women in Mauritania who are, as children, force fed so that they turn out to be extremely obese. To the point where they would be humerous spectacle in our culture.
Being fat is seen as such a sign of beauty there, they even doctors who make a living treating these women for heart problems describe how beautiful they are, despite the obvious health problems
Originally posted by Robtard
Don't care what age I was born in, I can't begin to imagine seeing a 9 year old child as a sexual object.No ass, **** and the face of a little kid, just doesn't fly for me. Wait, maybe he married her for the scintillating conversation she could offer.
But I saw you in that video.