Balder vs. Wolverine

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
You get to chi-amp when you learn how to chi-amp. I don't think it comes with a specific martial art.

Also, they didn't fold their swords that much. And they refined their smithing techniques so much because they had very small amounts of quality ore. Europe had it everywhere so they did whatever.

actually a good samurai sword was folded/hammered at "least" 200 times the iron ore used was collected from the black sands of a japanese beach where it was collect then heated up in a ceremonial process to extract the iron from the sand.. once it was done which took i think a week they would slowly separate the forming material the sand would be hard/glass and they crack it and remove the timber and whatnot to get to the iron that collected in the center.. dont any of you guys take MA seriously and study its history? what kinda martial artist are you guys?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwQqtf86qOc

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Balder the Brave miniseries. I think it was #4. I have Marvel digital comics subscription, but I don't know how to copy a screen cap from the program. He punked some rock/frost giants including a boss giant called Utgard Loki. Burnt their a$$es and almost melted his whole castle down. He even atomized a magic dust that Utgard Loki threw at him that turns people to stone. He then proceeded to melt the whole castle down. The panels show a bunch of giants screaming and one of them started shouting for mercy. "Balder. Forebear! The heat is more than we can stand! Mercy!" Remember these aren't regular schmucks. These are Jotunheim giants. They are about 20x Balder's size on panel.

Yeah. Wolvie's dead meat.

Which, as I've mentioned, won't have any effect on Wolverine seeing as he isn't a frost giant, or a hunk of ice, and doesn't have a magical weakness to heat. 🙄

to be fair there was this one time when logan was suffering from possible heatstroke effects.... 😇

angel pie ring a bell?

Still one feat of Blader slightly melting an ice fortress and shrinking some Frost Giants because of a magical weakness directly attributed to their heritage, doesn't have any bearing on this fight what-so-ever. Wolverine isn't a Frost Giant.

You know what else he isn't? A CLASS 50! 😠

Balders too strong, he'll punch Wolvie's balls off.

logan cant compete with these type of guys.. he is only a low lvl street lvler unlike spiderman and those mid lvl metas alike ms marvel and balder... he needs to get an upgrade like everyone seems to get..

lets say the spirit of the forest/wolf god or Artemis give him an upgrade in stats like 50 ton strength at least...

not many ppl know this but logan is related to thor they are brothers his spiritual mother is actually Gaea.. think of the virgin mary and jesus in reverse with logan... 🙄

I think the real issue here is the light powers. Wolverine is well known for being a physical pest that never goes down - no matter if I, we, or anyone, believes he should or not be hanging with people in certain power levels.

So, lets assume that Wolvie can at least hang physically. I'm not stating that he will be losing or winning, but merely surviving is at the very least a probable outcome.

What do these light powers of Balder do? Some say it only works on magical individuals. Does anyone have scans of the instance to determine if it is only those who are magical or if it also works on things (tree's, bricks, etc etc). That would solidify the view that it can work on anything - including Logan's flesh.

i believe his light powers were once used on a pie... 😱

Originally posted by jinzin
You know what else he isn't? A CLASS 50! 😠

Balders too strong, he'll punch Wolvie's balls off.

I didn't know. 😮

what ever happened to balders little enchantment and weakness to mistletoe? Is that gone?

Balder blitzes at lightspeed 😈

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
what ever happened to balders little enchantment and weakness to mistletoe? Is that gone?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Still one feat of Blader slightly melting an ice fortress and shrinking some Frost Giants because of a magical weakness directly attributed to their heritage, doesn't have any bearing on this fight what-so-ever. Wolverine isn't a Frost Giant.

so how do u explain the magic dust getting atomized? those weren't ice. btw, the giants shown on panel were not made of ice. they looked like giant humanoids. To quote the leader of the giants, "My dust! Balder's burning rays are causing it to explode!" so yeah... it generates enough heat to atomize objects when needed. to add to that, the previous panel shows Balder thinking to himself how he will ignite the magic powder so he will not inhale them. otherwise he gets turned to stone.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
actually a good samurai sword was folded/hammered at "least" 200 times the iron ore used was collected from the black sands of a japanese beach where it was collect then heated up in a ceremonial process to extract the iron from the sand.. once it was done which took i think a week they would slowly separate the forming material the sand would be hard/glass and they crack it and remove the timber and whatnot to get to the iron that collected in the center.. dont any of you guys take MA seriously and study its history? what kinda martial artist are you guys?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwQqtf86qOc

All I'm sayin' on the MA is you don't automatically become Iron Fist if you learn an Asian martial art. You could probably learn how to chi-amp if you didn't know any martial art. The reason why all the chi-ampers know all the Asian martial arts is because of how popular they are. It's more action packed to see a flying kick than a good single leg take down. And if you do see a character using European martial arts it looks like brawling.

look at the time from your post to my response i dont need discovery channel to tell me something i already know and studied on.. pfff.. discovery channel my @$$

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
so how do u explain the magic dust getting atomized? those weren't ice. btw, the giants shown on panel were not made of ice. they looked like giant humanoids. To quote the leader of the giants, "My dust! Balder's burning rays are causing it to explode!" so yeah... it generates enough heat to atomize objects when needed. to add to that, the previous panel shows Balder thinking to himself how he will ignite the magic powder so he will not inhale them. otherwise he gets turned to stone.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
look at the time from your post to my response i dont need discovery channel to tell me something i already know and studied on.. pfff.. discovery channel my @$$

Ehh... I don't get what you're going for with the time thing. But based on my apathetic, yet likely just as valid, internet research, anything more than 10-20 was just beating a dead horse. And really, considering at 20 folds there were over a million "layers" crammed to within, just pulling a rough estimate here, like a quarter of an inch. I really don't think you're making a difference at that point.

If it is true that they all went up to 200 though, that would be one of the key reasons why I don't study the history of martial arts. They're all bogged down with tedious and superfluous traditions and rules. I know that sounds like a troll on martial art fans and whatnot but that's just seriously how much I hate that kind of thing.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
so how do u explain the magic dust getting atomized? those weren't ice. btw, the giants shown on panel were not made of ice. they looked like giant humanoids. To quote the leader of the giants, "My dust! Balder's burning rays are causing it to explode!" so yeah... it generates enough heat to atomize objects when needed. to add to that, the previous panel shows Balder thinking to himself how he will ignite the magic powder so he will not inhale them. otherwise he gets turned to stone.

Um... it was only dust, who cares? They were Frost Giants. They had a magical aversion to heat / light. So, once again: what does that have to do with Wolverine who isn't a Frost Giant?

Originally posted by jinzin
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We're discussing a fight between Wolverine and Balder... the majority is inclusive of that conversation.

I never addressed ODG as though his argument was exclusive to Balders light based abilities, that's just the discussion we're involved around NOW because it's the only part of the discussion he continued to address.

Show me one page where I've summerized his argument into "light based powers alone".... you won't find it cause it's not to be found. But since we ARE talking about a fight, the majority of wins in that fight and light based powers being one of the reasons he gives Balder the majority then yes, THAT needs to be addressed.

Facepalm! You managed to complicate a really simple issue but im not getting into it because your going to drag this shit out.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
we use the norm attacks and likelihood of a character using a certain attack for reasons why they win consistently...

saying balder will omni blast sun lvl energy ftw 10/10 or anywhere near the high majority is disingenuous on the person's part..

if he were out of character i would agree that balder wins due to his energy blast if it is as strong as ppl think it is.. but since he is in character the likelihood of him employing such an attack is rare and barely makes it to 1 or 2 out of 10 likely chance to use said attack..

also balder happens to be a melee warrior whose likely form of attack and consistent is to attack using his sword against another weapon wielding opponent..

Enough with the straw-mans, enough with the phail arguments. Thor wouldn't need all day to knock out Wolverine. Referencing Balder's light powers is a far more valid consideration than referencing Wolverine climbing out of a molten steel vat.

And Thor two-shotted Wolverine.