Balder vs. Wolverine

Started by Rage.Of.Olympus13 pages

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Yeah Thor remembers it the same way that some heroes remember HoM (also an alternate Earth), but its still a divergent timeline.

I try not to think about it too much, you'll give yourself an aneurysm or something.

Common, House of M? The Earth that was created by Wanda's reality warping.....

Reigning is different from most other alternate realities as it was the future until Thor went back in time.

Originally posted by jinzin
Not at all what I was getting at.. nice to see another strawman though... Are you a farmer by chance?

As I said, funny what you consider PIS and when.. Just on observation.

Uh... No... your ARROGANCE makes you arrogant. Your continuing efforts to validate your presumptions over our statements vs. their actual/intended meaning makes you arrogant, the fact that you will resort to childish namecalling regardless of the reason in pretty much any debate you ever participate in makes you arrogant.

Not at all a debate you want to continue. 👆

I call your arguments stupid when I think your arguments are stupid. Don't make stupid arguments like Balder's light powers will help Balder win as much as Wolverine climbing out of molten steel will help Wolverine win. That's your statement, not mine. Your fleeing from it now, by insisting I straw-manned you, only reveals the accuracy of my opinion of it. This statement was stupid:

Originally posted by jinzin
As for light projection/manipulation/etc... like I said, about as many wins as Namor is going to get electrofrying people on the forums, or as many as Wolverine will get dissapearing in broad daylight on open ground, or walking out of molten metal vats...
Nuff said.
Originally posted by jinzin
No one was talking about realism but you... carry on.

You wouldn't. In spite of that not be at all what happened. You're too damned arrogant.. thanks for proving my point.

Yes, just reliability. Which in terms of Balder's light powers and Wolverine climbing out of a steel vat... which you lumped together in a hastily drawn argument... Balder's light powers are more reliable. Because they're more realistic.

Arrogance has nothing to do with Thor two-shotting Wolverine. Thor two-shotting Wolverine does.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Arrogance. One day it will be your downfall!

Pfff...Hulk wishes.

It isn't that bad. I can't wait for his Thor run to start. You should take out the preliminary artwork. It has the entire Lee/Kirby cosmic feel. Almost New Godish even. It's going to be great.

I didn't really think Fractions Thor stuff from a few years ago was all that great, but his work on Iron Man shows at his best he right at the top of the superhero writing game with the best of the best. So maybe he can deliver.

I saw a cover by Pasqual Ferry, but I haven't seen and prelims yet.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Not at all a debate you want to continue. 👆

I call your arguments atupid when I think your arguments are stupid. Don't make stupid arguments like Balder's light powers will help Balder win as much as Wolverine climbing out of molten steel will help him win. That's your statement, not mine. Your fleeing from it now by insisting I straw-manned you only reveals the accuracy of my opinion of it.

Irony.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Read Balder #4. Pretty impressive.

I've never seen anyone do what he did.

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Um... maybe I'm remembering this wrong, but did he shrink a bunch of frost giants because the couldn't stand the sun? Unless something else happened that I just don't remember I don't think thats going to be much help her... Wolverine's not a frost giant.

^ Thank you spelling police. What would this community do without services such as your's? Why... t'would be chaos.biscuits

I don't think Balders lighter powers are PIS, just not powerful enough to be a significant threat. 😎

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Not at all a debate you want to continue. 👆

I call your arguments atupid when I think your arguments are stupid. Don't make stupid arguments like Balder's light powers will help Balder win as much as Wolverine climbing out of molten steel will help him win. That's your statement, not mine. Your fleeing from it now by insisting I straw-manned you only reveals the accuracy of my opinion of it.


As I said, YOU didn't get it. I was jesting at your arguments. It's cut and dry; there's nothing else to read into.

You think Balder is going to use light powers to pull the majority? That's not typically going to be the case and it's as stupid an argument as anything I've joked in this thread so far because it's just as innacurate which was afterall what I was getting at. Your arrogance can try to contort facts all you like, doesn't change the facts.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Yes, just reliability. Which in terms of Balder's light powers and Wolverine climbing out of a steel vat... which you lumped together in a hastily drawn argument... Balder's light powers are more reliable. Because they're more realistic.

Arrogance has nothing to do with Thor two-shotting Wolverine. Thor two-shotting Wolverine does.


Again, picking and choosing where you apply your version of "realism".. amusing, truly.

Again, Balder's light powers will no more help him to swing a majority here than Wolverine walking out of a vat... that much is true; no one was talking about realism but you though.

Arrogance has nothing to do with Thor two-shotting Wolverine, in fact NOTHING has anything to do with Thor two-shotting Wolverine, because that's not what happened.. Though with the blinders of your arrogance I'm sure that's hard to recognize.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I didn't really think Fractions Thor stuff from a few years ago was all that great, but his work on Iron Man shows at his best he right at the top of the superhero writing game with the best of the best. So maybe he can deliver.

I saw a cover by Pasqual Ferry, but I haven't seen and prelims yet.

I guess we'll see.

Here you go:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_QpJmFaNoKDI/S9534s4loAI/AAAAAAAAAr4/tbAHtcOcFdg/s1600/DESIGNS-2.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_QpJmFaNoKDI/S8Wbbaan0oI/AAAAAAAAAqo/P4wQ3SBM0EE/s1600/DESIGNS-1.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_QpJmFaNoKDI/S9kt_Q7-whI/AAAAAAAAAro/4BL8tuu3B_Y/s1600/DESIGNS-3.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_QpJmFaNoKDI/S-_kMZgYoyI/AAAAAAAAAso/0q3OLF0HGrc/s1600/THOR615-4-5a.jpg

Plus BRB will return, which is always good.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I guess we'll see.

Here you go:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_QpJmFaNoKDI/S9534s4loAI/AAAAAAAAAr4/tbAHtcOcFdg/s1600/DESIGNS-2.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_QpJmFaNoKDI/S8Wbbaan0oI/AAAAAAAAAqo/P4wQ3SBM0EE/s1600/DESIGNS-1.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_QpJmFaNoKDI/S9kt_Q7-whI/AAAAAAAAAro/4BL8tuu3B_Y/s1600/DESIGNS-3.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_QpJmFaNoKDI/S-_kMZgYoyI/AAAAAAAAAso/0q3OLF0HGrc/s1600/THOR615-4-5a.jpg

Whao. Cool. I approve. thumbsup

that last scan looks like Nausica Warriors of the Wind.

Wolverine's taken two nukes point blank, Nitro's explosion point blank, Sunspots explosion point blank, a trip to the sun and climbed out the vat of molten metal. Six examples... hmmm... hey ODG, how many examples of Wolverine's skull getting penetrated did you have again? 😈

^ And Wolverine's been burnt up by less. Many times over. Whereas, nobody's ever failed to penetrate Wolverine's brain when they've aimed to through varius avenues. Just a sliiiiiiggghhtt difference.

Originally posted by jinzin
As I said, YOU didn't get it. I was jesting at your arguments. It's cut and dry; there's nothing else to read into.

You think Balder is going to use light powers to pull the majority? That's not typically going to be the case and it's as stupid an argument as anything I've joked in this thread so far because it's just as innacurate which was afterall what I was getting at. Your arrogance can try to contort facts all you like, doesn't change the facts.

Post-facto excuse.

Did I ever say that? So you're joking about something i haven't said? Your post-facto excuse is making less sense. Unless you're admitting to having straw-manned me, and then "joking" about your straw-manning me. I suppose that'd make more sense.

Originally posted by jinzin
Again, picking and choosing where you apply your version of "realism".. amusing, truly.

Again, Balder's light powers will no more help him to swing a majority here than Wolverine walking out of a vat... that much is true; no one was talking about realism but you though.

Arrogance has nothing to do with Thor two-shotting Wolverine, in fact NOTHING has anything to do with Thor two-shotting Wolverine, because that's not what happened.. Though with the blinders of your arrogance I'm sure that's hard to recognize.

At least it wasn't as stupid as projecting/comparing the relevancy of Wolverine climbing out of molten steel to Balder's light powers being used in a fight.

Christ. You've been bashing me for "straw-manning" you and you come right out and say the same stupid argument AGAIN. Did you just pull a quanchiwaffle?

Arrogance for criticizing your argument as stupid -- and then you continuing to make that same argument no less -- has nothing to do wtih Thor two-shotting Wolverine.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I guess we'll see.

Here you go:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_QpJmFaNoKDI/S9534s4loAI/AAAAAAAAAr4/tbAHtcOcFdg/s1600/DESIGNS-2.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_QpJmFaNoKDI/S8Wbbaan0oI/AAAAAAAAAqo/P4wQ3SBM0EE/s1600/DESIGNS-1.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_QpJmFaNoKDI/S9kt_Q7-whI/AAAAAAAAAro/4BL8tuu3B_Y/s1600/DESIGNS-3.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_QpJmFaNoKDI/S-_kMZgYoyI/AAAAAAAAAso/0q3OLF0HGrc/s1600/THOR615-4-5a.jpg

Nice. From what I've heard of the upcoming Thor movie, it's Kirby/Lee-esq. More Sci-Fi than fantasy, so it makes sense they would want to transition the design elements of the book to be tonally similar to the movie.

how bout some balder feats?

he's a great swordsman and the whole bit, but damn, he's not immune from losing to wolverine. ulik has oneshotted him casually.

the "only mistletoe wood can kill him" clause only works in asgard, and i'm under the impression freya removed it or it's not present anymore.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
how bout some balder feats?

he's a great swordsman and the whole bit, but damn, he's not immune from losing to wolverine. ulik has oneshotted him casually.

He doesn't need feats, he's a god.

KMC Rule #1: Superman wins*
KMC Rule #2: A character who is arbitrarily labeled a god, wins reguardless of feats.
KMC Rule #3: A character from space will beat any character who is confined to earth, regardless of feats.
KMC Rule #4: Wolverine loses regardless of who he is fighting.

*Note: This rule transcends all other rules

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Post-facto excuse.

Did I ever say that? So you're joking about something i haven't said? Your post-facto excuse is making less sense. Unless you're admitting to having straw-manned me, and then "joking" about your straw-manning me. I suppose that'd make more sense.

Post-facto? Hm, NO... Before I even addressed you, you replied to me:

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Oh. You also forgot to mention his sword skill actually overcomes magical enchantments of perfect swordsmanship, and that he has superior stamina, superior speed, and his light powers.

Now it would seem you're arguing for Balder to take the majority.. and that being the case; that you think his light based powerset is partially the reason why.....
Annnnnd since my Molten Vat feat was ONLY in reference to the lightbased powers.... it's clearly not post-facto... Nice try though.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
At least it wasn't as stupid as projecting/comparing the relevancy of Wolverine climbing out of molten steel to Balder's light powers being used in a fight.

Christ. You've been bashing me for "straw-manning" you and you come right out and say the same stupid argument AGAIN. Did you just pull a quanchiwaffle?

Arrogance for criticizing your argument as stupid -- and then you continuing to make that same argument no less -- has nothing to do wtih Thor two-shotting Wolverine.

I can see you're still having trouble grasping it... it only took Rage once.... but it's no wonder you need an exception.

The argument isn't a legitimate proof for debate.. This much was clear, but it went right over your head.

Balder's light powers will not avail him a win for the majority here and are as applicable as anything Wolverine's done one to a handful of times since those ALSO would not avail Wolverine the majority. (you gettin it yet?)

You ARE arrogant make no mistake, if you still can not come to terms with the fact that after that little scuffle Wolverine was fine and Thor was wounded... Not a two-shot stomp you claim it was.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He doesn't need feats, he's a god.

KMC Rule #1: Superman wins*
KMC Rule #2: A character who is arbitrarily labeled a god, wins reguardless of feats.
KMC Rule #3: A character from space will beat any character who is confined to earth, regardless of feats.
KMC Rule #4: Wolverine loses regardless of who he is fighting.

*Note: This rule transcends all other rules

Yeah, Superman wins , just because.

Just because is a reason, right? ^_^

As much as I try and enjoy Busiek having Superman defeat Thor, every time I see him catch that hammer I keep thinking it should've taken his arm off..

Originally posted by cdtm
Yeah, Superman wins , just because.

Just because is a reason, right? ^_^

As much as I try and enjoy Busiek having Superman defeat Thor, every time I see him catch that hammer I keep thinking it should've taken his arm off..

You're not the only one. 🙁 At least here at KMC we can just ignore crossovers completely 😉

^ You compared the relevancy of mentioning Balder's light powers to the relevancy of mentioning Wolverine climbing out of a molten steel vat:

Originally posted by jinzin
As for light projection/manipulation/etc... like I said, about as many wins as Namor is going to get electrofrying people on the forums, or as many as Wolverine will get dissapearing in broad daylight on open ground, or walking out of molten metal vats...
You essentially equated the two such that, if anybody brought up Balder's light powers as an additional reason he would have an advantage over an opponent... it was about as dumb as somebody else bringing up Wolverine climbing out of a molten steel vat as an additional reason why he would have an advantage over an opponent. Irregardless of your protestations to the contrary, it's still what you're doing after waffling back and forth over it:
Originally posted by jinzin
Again, Balder's light powers will no more help him to swing a majority here than Wolverine walking out of a vat... that much is true; no one was talking about realism but you though.
And it's still the same stupid. Get over the fact I threw it back in your face.