Originally posted by JakeTheBank1)He gives Thor his powers so of course he can play with him like silly putty.
Jesus Christ.So all of Odin's - and the Odinforce's - feats of mental manipulation don't count because they are either
A.) Used on a fellow Asgardian.
B.) Used on random people.Again, you're dismissing feats you don't like.
2)The rest are just regular humans.
Odg actually trying making the comparison from Odin's son to normal earthlings to the Void. I laughed out loud.
Originally posted by quanchi112By your own estimation, having approached Odin's level and vaulting over it... Void Sentry beats Thanos. You literally announced as much a few weeks prior. Acting like that doesn't matter here, when a pillar of your argument is that Odin isn't anywhere near Void Sentry's level is utter ignorance. I can accept your argument at face value, that Void Sentry is well beyond Odin, if you actually admit that he is also well beyond Thanos. But somehow, your utter inability to admit your mistakes has transmogrified you from arguing that "Thanos stalemated Odin," to "Thanos is more powerful than Odin." lolwut?
He doesn't beat Thanos he beats Thor. Pay attention.I never said he couldn't attack a person's mind of course he can abuse his own son since he gives him his powers and is the supreme power of asgard. He doesn't have the mental attacks to defeat the Void.
In the end Thor prevailed over his own madness.
Neither does Thanos. Poor quaneuver that ends up placing you in no better position than you were before: a position with absolutely no support.
Yeah, too bad Thanos utterly failed to help Thor with his tech, prep and the Infinity Watch and Odin did it single-handedly without any prep.
Originally posted by quanchi112This is deflection from (i) your failed arguments that Void Sentry would be beaten by force block (which you finally admitted was phail), and (ii) your failed rationale that Void Sentry can't beat Thanos until he matches Odin (which he did and vaulted over according to YOU no less).
Yes, he's always done things to random earthers and what not but has never show to attack someone's mind other than some shitty asgardian while in combat against a foe to defeat them.he completely outclassed her and Thanos took that shit without even trying to do anything. When he showed back up and wanted to battle her he wiped the floor with her. You also kinda proved the Maker is more powerful than Odin with one blast since Odin couldn't ko or kill him with multiple.
I know she did but she still had awesome power and like you yourself mentioned the power to ko Thanos unlike Odin and Thanos completely abused someone with this much power the next time they met. Thanks.
Maker outclassed Thanos by one-shotting him. Seriously. Thanos was fortunate that she took a mortal form that was vulnerable and that Maker didn't decide to use a one-shotting blast again. Like she used before and one-shotted Thanos.
Awesome power, with shocking vulnerability = being able to defeat her as long as she doesn't use her full power. Which is exactly what happened. I'm not trying to patronize you on this anymore. That's exactly what happened.
Originally posted by quanchi112Christ. Pointing out how your arguments are hypocritical, simply because you made the self-serving argument in another thread involving Thanos isn't my fault. I didn't make you post those past posts. Nor did I make you post the current post we're arguing over, i.e., Odin is nowhere near Void's level. You did that on your own. And you tripped over yourself in your fervor to argue that RKT can't win.
You're obsessed with me and Thanos. You using two posts to respond to the same post to further derail it is yet another shining example.Void wins here and like usual I turned your own points against you.
Maker's power levels>Odin's.
This isn't Bizarro world, son. So stop trying to speak Bizarro.
Odin's > Thanos'. Void Sentry's > Thanos.' Admit that to be consistent, and I won't contest whatever blanket declarations you make to yourself.
Originally posted by quanchi112Odin helped Thor overcome it. Thanos didn't help Thor overcome it. Deflection, much?
Thor overcame it in the end. Odin didn't do so.Thanos doesn't have the personal relationship or is the inspirational leader that Odin is for Thor. Think he doesn't cream out for Thanos half the time he screams out for Odin.
Odg, I ca't recall another poster I have ever affected as much as you at the moment.
Thor had more reason to hate Odin than to hate Thanos. Did you completely miss the whole point of Blood and Thunder?
This coming from the guy who insists on declaring his victory over me in random threads? Irony. Just because you persist in making inane arguments and are met with an equal persistence to deconstruct them, doesn't mean you have power over me. You're no different than anybody else that I debate, save for the fact that you make it so easy to reveal your self-serving arguments that I don't have to try very hard.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Thanos doesn't beat the Void by overpowering him with blasts. I never said he did or would. I think you still seem to be rather confused.
By your own estimation, having approached Odin's level and vaulting over it... Void Sentry beats Thanos. You literally announced as much a few weeks prior. Acting like that doesn't matter here, when a pillar of your argument is that Odin isn't anywhere near Void Sentry's level is utter ignorance. I can accept your argument at face value, that Void Sentry is well beyond Odin, if you actually admit that he is also well beyond Thanos. But somehow, your utter inability to admit your mistakes has transmogrified you from arguing that "Thanos stalemated Odin," to "Thanos is more powerful than Odin." lolwut?Neither does Thanos. Poor quaneuver that ends up placing you in no better position than you were before: a position with absolutely no support.
Yeah, too bad Thanos utterly failed to help Thor with his tech, prep and the Infinity Watch and Odin did it single-handedly without any prep. This is deflection from [b](i)
your failed arguments that Void Sentry would be beaten by force block (which you finally admitted was phail), and (ii) your failed rationale that Void Sentry can't beat Thanos until he matches Odin (which he did and vaulted over according to YOU no less).Maker outclassed Thanos by one-shotting him. Seriously. Thanos was fortunate that she took a mortal form that was vulnerable and that Maker didn't decide to use a one-shotting blast again. Like she used before and one-shotted Thanos.
Awesome power, with shocking vulnerability = being able to defeat her as long as she doesn't use her full power. Which is exactly what happened. I'm not trying to patronize you on this anymore. That's exactly what happened. Christ. Pointing out how your arguments are hypocritical, simply because you made the self-serving argument in another thread involving Thanos isn't my fault. I didn't make you post those past posts. Nor did I make you post the current post we're arguing over, i.e., Odin is nowhere near Void's level. You did that on your own. And you tripped over yourself in your fervor to argue that RKT can't win.
This isn't Bizarro world, son. So stop trying to speak Bizarro.
Odin's > Thanos'. Void Sentry's > Thanos.' Admit that to be consistent, and I won't contest whatever blanket declarations you make to yourself. [/B]
Thanos isn't the inspirational all father who is Thor's father now is he? Thor had to overcome his own madness and Odin helped him to do so but in the end he did so on his own.
My opinion has changed. I already told you that three posts ago.
Because Thanos didn't have his guard up or was he tryuing to counter her attacks with his own which he did in their rematch. Seriously, are you this dense? If I stand there and let someone punch me as hard as they can in the face that's not the same thing as hunting them down and actively fighting back and pounding their face in is it?
She did use her full power only Thanos defended and attacked her unlike the first blast. Wow.
My opinion has changed, Thanos can attack his mind whereas Odin hasn't shown the ability or the actual feat of doing so while in midbattle.
Void wins because he eventually overpowers Thor.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0I answered this in the previous post.
Odin helped Thor overcome it. Thanos didn't help Thor overcome it. Deflection, much?Thor had more reason to hate Odin than to hate Thanos. Did you completely miss the whole point of Blood and Thunder?
This coming from the guy who insists on declaring his victory over me in random threads? Irony. Just because you persist in making inane arguments and are met with an equal persistence to deconstruct them, doesn't mean you have power over me. You're no different than anybody else that I debate, save for the fact that you make it so easy to reveal your self-serving arguments that I don't have to try very hard.
Yes, but when he confronted and saw his madness he still had the love and all enduring respect for his father when he did so.
My arguments are sound and just because you can't accept when someone's opinion changes and continually harp on it that's your problem not mine.
Originally posted by quanchi112No. You specifically said that Void Sentry can't beat Thanos until he matches Odin's level. Well... according to you, he did AND he surpassed it by a wide margin. That is the statement that many here disagree with flatly. I choose to criticize it differently. By pointing out that you don't believe it at all since that would mean Void Sentry beats Thanos, as you predicted would occur a few weeks prior.
Thanos doesn't beat the Void by overpowering him with blasts. I never said he did or would. I think you still seem to be rather confused.Thanos isn't the inspirational all father who is Thor's father now is he? Thor had to overcome his own madness and Odin helped him to do so but in the end he did so on his own.
My opinion has changed. I already told you that three posts ago.
Thanos isn't the overbearing father who drove him to bits and pieces. Odin helped and Thanos failed, despite his tech, prep and the entire Infinity Watch helping. Phail.
Your opinion has changed that Void Sentry is far more powerful than Odin. So carry that further and conclude that Void Sentry is far more powerful than Thanos. If you can't admit that, then nobody has any reason to place faith in your declaration that Void Sentry >>>> Odin.
Originally posted by quanchi112Deflection. Maker one-shotted Thanos with a considerable omni-blast. She used single handblasts thereafter. Thanos himself ponders why Maker manifested in mortal form, a form that was utterly vulnerable. And Thanos only defeated Maker when she wasn't using her full power. Thanos was always capable of defeating a Cube Being who placed themselves in a mortal and utterly vulnerable form and wasn't using their true power. Hence, no upgrade.
Because Thanos didn't have his guard up or was he tryuing to counter her attacks with his own which he did in their rematch. Seriously, are you this dense? If I stand there and let someone punch me as hard as they can in the face that's not the same thing as hunting them down and actively fighting back and pounding their face in is it?She did use her full power only Thanos defended and attacked her unlike the first blast. Wow.
My opinion has changed, Thanos can attack his mind whereas Odin hasn't shown the ability or the actual feat of doing so while in midbattle.
Void wins because he eventually overpowers Thor.
Compare the scope of the one-shotting blast and EVERY blast thereafter. Even you can't be so dense to argue that the only difference is that Thanos is defending now:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/More%20Random/Maker01.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/More%20Random/Maker02.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/More%20Random/Maker03.jpg
Your opinion has changed. You admitted you were wrong that a forceblock attack would win. But you haven't yet admitted that Void Sentry now macthing and surpassing Odin's power, means Thanos loses. Which casts doubt on your declaration that Void Sentry >>> Odin here in the first place. Keep quaneuvering.
You've got a lot of hail quannies to catch up on. You should focus on that rather than concentrating on digging this hole of yours.
Originally posted by quanchi112Yes. By admitting that Odin succeeded in helping Thor and Thanos failed (despite his prep, tech, and the entire Infinity Watch helping).
I answered this in the previous post.Yes, but when he confronted and saw his madness he still had the love and all enduring respect for his father when he did so.
My arguments are sound and just because you can't accept when someone's opinion changes and continually harp on it that's your problem not mine.
Only because Odin was able to penetrate his psyche. Which Thanos failed to do.
Your arguments sound like a dying llama. Nobody has to accept anybody's opinion. But your issues lie with your own self-serving logic. Not with me. I'm not the only one pointing them out.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0That was then this is now.
No. You specifically said that Void Sentry can't beat Thanos until he matches Odin's level. Well... according to you, he did AND he surpassed it by a wide margin. That is the statement that many here disagree with flatly. I choose to criticize it differently. By pointing out that you don't believe it at all since that would mean Void Sentry beats Thanos, as you predicted would occur a few weeks prior.Thanos isn't the overbearing father who drove him to bits and pieces. Odin helped and Thanos failed, despite his tech, prep and the entire Infinity Watch helping. Phail.
Your opinion has changed that Void Sentry is far more powerful than Odin. So carry that further and conclude that Void Sentry is far more powerful than Thanos. If you can't admit that, then nobody has any reason to place faith in your declaration that Void Sentry >>>> Odin. Deflection. Maker one-shotted Thanos with a considerable omni-blast. She used single handblasts thereafter. Thanos himself ponders why Maker manifested in mortal form, a form that was utterly vulnerable. And Thanos only defeated Maker when she wasn't using her full power. Thanos was always capable of defeating a Cube Being who placed themselves in a mortal and utterly vulnerable form and wasn't using their true power. Hence, no upgrade.
Compare the scope of the one-shotting blast and EVERY blast thereafter. Even you can't be so dense to argue that the only difference is that Thanos is defending now:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/More%20Random/Maker01.jpghttp://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/More%20Random/Maker02.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/More%20Random/Maker03.jpgYour opinion has changed. You admitted you were wrong that a forceblock attack would win. But you haven't yet admitted that Void Sentry now macthing and surpassing Odin's power, means Thanos loses. Which casts doubt on your declaration that Void Sentry >>> Odin here in the first place. Keep quaneuvering.
You've got a lot of hail quannies to catch up on. You should focus on that rather than concentrating on digging this hole of yours.
I don't think he beats Thanos before he mindwhammies him. That's for another thread though anyways.
Yes, they did but Odin helped Thor overcome it by his connection to Thor.
When did I say Thanos was more powerful than the Void?
Thanos' guard wasn't up. When he came back for he it was up. Thanos easily defeated her as he was ready for her the second time around. You already proved Maker is more powerful than Odin so quit posting scans it isn't necessary.
I admitted it wouldn't work when king kandy raised a valid point. That was then this is now, junior. Do try and keep up, onedodgenow.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Because of his connection to Thor which Thanos didn't have.
Yes. By admitting that Odin succeeded in helping Thor and Thanos failed (despite his prep, tech, and the entire Infinity Watch helping).Only because Odin was able to penetrate his psyche. Which Thanos failed to do.
Your arguments sound like a dying llama. Nobody has to accept anybody's opinion. But your issues lie with your own self-serving logic. Not with me. I'm not the only one pointing them out.
Odin altered and knows his psyche well which Thanos doesn't. That's also a huge factor.
My logic is ironclad whereas yours isn't. Your logic requires me to shut down my brain to accept. Sorry, not going to happen.
Originally posted by quanchi112And now you continue to think that Void Sentry, who is far more powerful than Odin, still can't beat Thanos. Thanos who got stomped on by Odin and could barely faze him. Thanos who couldn't even remediate Thor's dementia with the IW's help and prep, while Odin did it.
That was then this is now.I don't think he beats Thanos before he mindwhammies him. That's for another thread though anyways.
Yes, they did but Odin helped Thor overcome it by his connection to Thor.
Originally posted by quanchi112Stop straw-manning. You already suggested that Sentry Void wouldn't beat Thanos until he matched Odin's level. And by your declarations, Void Sentry surpassed that level. So clearly now, you stuck your foot into your mouth and set yourself up for this. We already know your prediction that Void Sentry would succumb to a forceblock was completely wrong. No need to dwell on your complete lack of prescience.
When did I say Thanos was more powerful than the Void?Thanos' guard wasn't up. When he came back for he it was up. Thanos easily defeated her as he was ready for her the second time around. You already proved Maker is more powerful than Odin so quit posting scans it isn't necessary.
I admitted it wouldn't work when king kandy raised a valid point. That was then this is now, junior. Do try and keep up, onedodgenow.
Unfortunately for you, you can't even admit that Maker's blasts were far less substantial than the initial one-shot. And thus, your excuse to distinguish what happened, i.e., that Thanos was defending himself now, is utter deflection from the following: Thanos was always able to defeat a Cube Being who made themselves vulnerable by assuming mortal form and not using their full power. Hence, him defeating Maker isn't evidence of an upgrade. Congratulations, you helped expose and deconstruct your own myth.
Originally posted by quanchi112Insisting =/= arguing. Either admit that "Void Sentry >>> Odin" means he beats Thanos now or abandon that notion to support your argument that Void Sentry > RKT. Consistency here is key. We're not fooled. And I suspect that you aren't either. Next time, make a good argument. Not a self-serving one.
Because of his connection to Thor which Thanos didn't have.Odin altered and knows his psyche well which Thanos doesn't. That's also a huge factor.
My logic is ironclad whereas yours isn't. Your logic requires me to shut down my brain to accept. Sorry, not going to happen.
If you need to shut your brain down to make good arguments, I would suggest running into a wall... several times.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Hearing stray thoughts and having the power to defeat the Void by attacking his mind are two completely different things and I would hope you'd know the difference.Thor can only beat the Void if the Void allows him to. This has already been explained and the first time they met Thor had no chance because the Void didn't want to lose.
I do know the difference.
That was just for starters. If you want something a bit more concrete than there is the time Odin erased the minds of everyone on Earth with a wave of his hand.
Really? The first time they meet in modern continuity had Thor going toe to toe with a Void possessed Sentry.
