Rune king Thor vs. Void Sentry

Originally posted by quanchi112
Here we goes again. Ok, I made that statement prior to the events and close of siege 4 without seeing bendis' own personal take on the sentry in an interview post siege. Void's clearly powerful and has no limits whereas Odin has limits. You finding older quoted and acting as if new events and comics don't change people's minds is truly hilarious. You do this all the time with myself and mr. master to the point you think you've done something truly special.

Yes, he is especially considering what he did against the Maker and how far one blast blew a well nourished Galactus off his feet. The only thing unbelievable if your bullheadedness and sheer inability to understand Thanos' and Odin's battle along with everything else going on in this thread.

No, replying to the same post twice is trolling. I am so in your head you're actually foolish enough to come back again with another post which derails the thread into another Thanos/Odin debate which you were stomped a while back yet you refuse to let it go.

I admitted the forceblock wouldn't work too by the way after careful consideration and with his abilities he is definitely getting out of it unlike power gem Thor whose abilities weren't the same as the Sentry's.

Void defeat RK Thor as there is nothing Thor can do to keep him down while Void can defeat Thor by attacking him over and over again.

Void wins and Quan just won.

False.

Uhm, power levels don't really work on the Void here especially considering Rk Thor while powerful isn't at Galactus level. Thanos is more powerful than Odin too by the way.

No, they get crushed by those characters are nowhere near as powerful or have the shielding Thanos has along with the mind attack.

Why would RKT not being on Galactus level matters when he utterly defeats Void? Unless you think one has to be on Galactus' level in order to throughly beat him. Or Thanos', whichever you think is higher.

Oh, and RKT would beat Thanos as well.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Why would RKT not being on Galactus level matters when he utterly defeats Void? Unless you think one has to be on Galactus' level in order to throughly beat him. Or Thanos', whichever you think is higher.

Oh, and RKT would beat Thanos as well.

Thanos isn't in this thread. I won't start another minidebate about thanos.

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Just curious. Man-to-man, tell me why you believe Thanos is more powerful than Odin.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I think he needs to attack his mind to do so and what feats does RK Thor have to suggest he can do so?

Thanos isn't in this thread. I won't start another minidebate about thanos.

But why does Galactus even matter, then?

Based on what the Odinforce has accomplished in the past. RKT has the full power of the Odinforce and Rune Magic in addition to his other powers. He also has omniscience, knowledge of ALL events past, present, and future, not just ones related to Asgard unless you want to prove that. As such, he's able to logically perform any feat with the Odinforce that Odin did, and probably to a greater degree as he clearly surpassed him in wisdom and power alike. The omniscience is a HUGE factor here. Void has no way around it and coupled with his shaky grip on reality, if RKT doesn't wreck him mentally, he sure as hell can do enough damage to cause Void to lose control, reverting him to Bob, as was shown in Siege.

Defensively, Void will play hell trying to harm RKT, much less kill him.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
But why does Galactus even matter, then?

Based on what the Odinforce has accomplished in the past. RKT has the full power of the Odinforce and Rune Magic in addition to his other powers. He also has omniscience, knowledge of ALL events past, present, and future, not just ones related to Asgard unless you want to prove that. As such, he's able to logically perform any feat with the Odinforce that Odin did, and probably to a greater degree as he clearly surpassed him in wisdom and power alike. The omniscience is a HUGE factor here. Void has no way around it and coupled with his shaky grip on reality, if RKT doesn't wreck him mentally, he sure as hell can do enough damage to cause Void to lose control, reverting him to Bob, as was shown in Siege.

Defensively, Void will play hell trying to harm RKT, much less kill him.

The odinforce varies from writer to writer. One has it at planetary busting level while another has it at galaxy destroying level. The point is RK Thor was very powerful but he has limits just as the odinforce does. If it didn't have limits he wouldn't need to recharge now would he?

No, I disagree as we have seen characters do far worse to the Sentry and him not revert to Bob. That was a lucky blow that wasn't that damaging at all that has never occurred before and the Void has been opposed by Reed, Strange, etc. so acting like this justifies anything in a form matchup is another example of Sentry haters hating him because he beats their favorite characters.

Void can attack him with tendrils wherever he wants and reality warp. It will take some damage but the Void can't be beaten by RK Thor at the Void's best.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Galactus feat, Maker feat. Couple this with the fact Thanos was powerful enough to take on Odin in asgard and going rounds with an Odin trying to kill him preupgrade.

Could you show me the feats you're talking about?

Enough with the upgrade myth. Christ.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Here we goes again. Ok, I made that statement prior to the events and close of siege 4 without seeing bendis' own personal take on the sentry in an interview post siege. Void's clearly powerful and has no limits whereas Odin has limits. You finding older quoted and acting as if new events and comics don't change people's minds is truly hilarious. You do this all the time with myself and mr. master to the point you think you've done something truly special.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, he is especially considering what he did against the Maker and how far one blast blew a well nourished Galactus off his feet. The only thing unbelievable if your bullheadedness and sheer inability to understand Thanos' and Odin's battle along with everything else going on in this thread.

No, replying to the same post twice is trolling. I am so in your head you're actually foolish enough to come back again with another post which derails the thread into another Thanos/Odin debate which you were stomped a while back yet you refuse to let it go.

Pointing out how you managed to phail twice in the same post isn't trolling. The fact that you managed to fit in two levels of phail into that post should be considered the trolling if anything. And again, declaring your victory every chance you get as your rhetoric's deficiency is revealed every time misses one important step: actually proving you have a leg to stand on.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I admitted the forceblock wouldn't work too by the way after careful consideration and with his abilities he is definitely getting out of it unlike power gem Thor whose abilities weren't the same as the Sentry's.

Void defeat RK Thor as there is nothing Thor can do to keep him down while Void can defeat Thor by attacking him over and over again.

Void wins and Quan just won.

Sounds exactly similar to how Void Sentry would defeat Thanos then if you're so firmly committed to that argument here. Which was the point before you started with your quaneuvers and self-parade throwing.

"Quan just won" as much as "Void won" at the end of Siege. Unfortunately, nobody here is throwing you into the Sun or having a sh1tty funeral service. Five hail quannies. Now.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I was using him to show that just like Thanos he isn't as powerful as Galactus.

The odinforce varies from writer to writer. One has it at planetary busting level while another has it at galaxy destroying level. The point is RK Thor was very powerful but he has limits just as the odinforce does. If it didn't have limits he wouldn't need to recharge now would he?

No, I disagree as we have seen characters do far worse to the Sentry and him not revert to Bob. That was a lucky blow that wasn't that damaging at all that has never occurred before and the Void has been opposed by Reed, Strange, etc. so acting like this justifies anything in a form matchup is another example of Sentry haters hating him because he beats their favorite characters.

Void can attack him with tendrils wherever he wants and reality warp. It will take some damage but the Void can't be beaten by RK Thor at the Void's best.

...obviously. There's no need to even state that unless you're trying to imply it would take Galactus level power to outright beat Void without resorting to mind-rape, which Galactus can do anyway.

WTF does that have to do with anything? At all? Unless you're planning on dismissing the high end feats of the Odinforce. He's not going to be taxing his limits anytime soon based on what he did and the ease in which he did.

....alright, you lost me here. In the first paragraph, you say that the Odinforce varies from writer to writer. And in this third one, you try to write off that whole Bob reverting as a "lucky" happenstance. And then - and this is awesome - you say "using this in a forum match" is just an example of Sentry haters hating. LMAO. It's what happened in the comic during a fight. How would it not be a viable turn of events in a forum match? Shit, RKT's firepower more than greatly exceeds that of what Void took in Siege, so if anything, forcing a Bob transformation is even more likely! Don't get pissy because Void was shown to lose his cool from a series of prolonged attacks from a single High Herald and his pals.

Thor's shielding with Mjolnir or with the OF/Rune Magic can block the tendrils if Cap's shield can. Reality warping won't do much when RKT knows everything ever. And Void's odds of winning here are slim at best.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Enough with the upgrade myth. Christ. You also said that Void Sentry isn't beating Thanos until he approaches Odin level. According to you in this thread, not only did he match Odin's level, he vaulted over it. And somehow... Thanos still wins. You haven't changed your mind despite the new facts. Acting like you have, when you friggin haven't changed your conclusion is ludicrous. You mean getting one-shotted by Maker when she unleashed a considerable blast? Or lobotomizing Maker when she took mortal form and was merely handblasting Thanos? That's not evidence of an upgrade. Ambushing Galactus and admitting that he didn't do anything but enrage him? That's not evidence of an upgrade. Thanos was always capable of getting one-shotted by, and killing, a Cube Being that took mortal form. He was always capable of blasting Galactus and doing nothing but enrage him.

Pointing out how you managed to phail twice in the same post isn't trolling. The fact that you managed to fit in two levels of phail into that post should be considered the trolling if anything. And again, declaring your victory every chance you get as your rhetoric's deficiency is revealed every time misses one important step: actually proving you have a leg to stand on. Lulz... you consider your quanchilogic, "careful consideration?" And who the hell is talking about PG Thor? I'm talking about Odin. This isn't even deflection. This is utter disorientation on your part.

Sounds exactly similar to how Void Sentry would defeat Thanos then if you're so firmly committed to that argument here. Which was the point before you started with your quaneuvers and self-parade throwing.

"Quan just won" as much as "Void won" at the end of Siege. Unfortunately, nobody here is throwing you into the Sun or having a sh1tty funeral service. [b]Five hail quannies. Now. [/B]

Thanos attacks his mind whereas Odin cannot. See the difference?

Thanos wasn't prepared and when he came back and wanted her crushed he crushed her.

Physically hurting the Maker is very impressive and Galactus wasn't ambushed he was staring right at him while Galactus made his intentions towards Thanos clear so he blasted Galactus.

Not a well nourished Galactus in the manner that he did and not defeating a cube being in battle with the ease he did so.

responding twice to derail the topic into another mini Thanos debate is trolling. Stick to the topic you always bring up Thanos in every post. You simply can't help yourself which shows you how deep inside your mind I am because you cannot let it go.

Void against Thanos isn't the issue here and I have already explained myself and my opinion. You don't like it tough.

The only way I can lose is if I allow it just like Thanos or the sentry.

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Could you show me the feats you're talking about?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
...obviously. There's no need to even state that unless you're trying to imply it would take Galactus level power to outright beat Void without resorting to mind-rape, which Galactus can do anyway.

WTF does that have to do with anything? At all? Unless you're planning on dismissing the high end feats of the Odinforce. He's not going to be taxing his limits anytime soon based on what he did and the ease in which he did.

....alright, you lost me here. In the first paragraph, you say that the Odinforce varies from writer to writer. And in this third one, you try to write off that whole Bob reverting as a "lucky" happenstance. And then - and this is awesome - you say "using this in a forum match" is just an example of Sentry haters hating. LMAO. It's what happened in the comic during a fight. How would it not be a viable turn of events in a forum match? Shit, RKT's firepower more than greatly exceeds that of what Void took in Siege, so if anything, forcing a Bob transformation is even more likely! Don't get pissy because Void was shown to lose his cool from a series of prolonged attacks from a single High Herald and his pals.

Thor's shielding with Mjolnir or with the OF/Rune Magic can block the tendrils if Cap's shield can. Reality warping won't do much when RKT knows everything ever. And Void's odds of winning here are slim at best.

My point is this the odinforce needs to recharge so it has severe limits while the Void has only the limits of his mind. Big difference.

This is why it's 'an example of haters hating because we've seen him various times and it's only happened once. We've also seen him take far more damage and not revert so to make this the basis for the majority here is just being biased. The damage doesn't matter it's all just luck that it happened when it did and had a lot to do with how unstable the Void is at this particular time.

If what you say is true then MM should have met the Bob personality? Did he or did the Sentry just flat out overpower him?

Did Thor block the tendrils in siege? Nope. He was being beaten with the rest of his crew while Loki saved his ass.

How does the Void lose? Are you saying he wants to lose again? is that what you are saying? I'd like to hear you admit it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos attacks his mind whereas Odin cannot. See the difference?

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Originally posted by quanchi112
Uhm, I just told you my opinion changed. His power has no limits so he is more powerful than Odin.

Thanos attacks his mind whereas Odin cannot. See the difference?

Thanos wasn't prepared and when he came back and wanted her crushed he crushed her.

Odin can't attack a person's mind? He utterly mind-wiped Thor completely and turned him into Donald Blake. He's erased the memories of the entire Earth's population after repairing planetary damage wrought in a battle. Thanos couldn't even begin to combat Thor's dementia and Odin, not only did, but succeeded. How can you be so ignorant? Be still. Seriously. You can't even recall the most basic and obvious facts.

Yes. By ambushing her and being lucky enough that she was using handblasts instead of the AoE blast that one-shotted him the first time. Still not evidence of an upgrade. Thanos was always able to ambush a Cube Being who made herself vulnerable by taking mortal form as long as the Cube Being didn't one-shot him with a huge blast.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Physically hurting the Maker is very impressive and Galactus wasn't ambushed he was staring right at him while Galactus made his intentions towards Thanos clear so he blasted Galactus.

Not a well nourished Galactus in the manner that he did and not defeating a cube being in battle with the ease he did so.

responding twice to derail the topic into another mini Thanos debate is trolling. Stick to the topic you always bring up Thanos in every post. You simply can't help yourself which shows you how deep inside your mind I am because you cannot let it go.

Yes. Thanos would have knocked Galactus back with a sucker-blast and done nothing but enrage him. I can't believe you are now arguing that Thanos couldn't, simply to justify this upgrade myth.

This topic is making arguments about why one character would beat another. One of your arguments was that Odin is nowhere near as powerful as Void Sentry. I attacked that argument and deconstructed it using your own statements prior, no less. Posts which completely destroy your argument =/= trolling. Don't layer so many levels of phail into your arguments that it provides twice as much opportunity to deconstruct. And STOP projecting your insecurities onto me.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Void against Thanos isn't the issue here and I have already explained myself and my opinion. You don't like it tough.

The only way I can lose is if I allow it just like Thanos or the sentry.

Then you've been allowing it a whole hell of a lot here. Assume the position:

Originally posted by JakeTheBank

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^ He actually succeeded at the end, by reaching Thor, and helping him banish Valkyrie. facepalm

And Thanos tried to do the same thing and couldn't do crap about it despite all his tech, prep and the entire Infinity Watch helping. facepalm facepalm

My god. This is a new level of phail I've not seen in a long time... facepalm facepalm facepalm

SIX hail quannies. STAT.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Well, to beat the Void powerwise I don't know because seeing the Void's limitless nature I think it's clear he's more powerful than RK Thor.

My point is this the odinforce needs to recharge so it has severe limits while the Void has only the limits of his mind. Big difference.

This is why it's 'an example of haters hating because we've seen him various times and it's only happened once. We've also seen him take far more damage and not revert so to make this the basis for the majority here is just being biased. The damage doesn't matter it's all just luck that it happened when it did and had a lot to do with how unstable the Void is at this particular time.

If what you say is true then MM should have met the Bob personality? Did he or did the Sentry just flat out overpower him?

Did Thor block the tendrils in siege? Nope. He was being beaten with the rest of his crew while Loki saved his ass.

How does the Void lose? Are you saying he wants to lose again? is that what you are saying? I'd like to hear you admit it.

Only, it's not limitless. facepalm I don't even know how you get that. His power is as limitless as he literally has the power of a million exploding suns. I sure as hell haven't seen anything coming close to one exploding sun. I'd love to see scans. Based on what we've seen, not your conjecture and Quan-Theories, Void isn't limitless.

Right, Odin takes a Odinsleep once a year for a full day. 😐 I don't see RKT burning through so much power to require an immeadiate charge.

It happened once just like Void beating Molecule Man happened once. You can't pick and choose feats. Void turning into Bob was about as "lucky" as him overpowering Molecule Man. You don't see the sheer hypocrisy in your words? And guess what? RKT can dish out far more damage than what was shown in Siege! 😱

LMAO. Thor didn't block the tendrils in Siege, so he can't block them in a forum match (despite the fact he'll be many times more powerful than he was in Siege, even more so than Odin). But Void, who was turned into Bob during Siege after taking accumulative damage, won't do so in a forum match. Quan, please tell me you see how messed up that line of "logic" is.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You haven't yet admitted that having matched Odin... and vaulting over him... he now beats Thanos. You haven't changed your conclusion.

Odin can't attack a person's mind? He utterly mind-wiped Thor completely and turned him into Donald Blake. He's erased the memories of the entire Earth's population after repairing planetary damage wrought in a battle. Thanos couldn't even begin to combat Thor's dementia and Odin, not only did, but succeeded. How can you be so ignorant? Be still. Seriously. You can't even recall the most basic and obvious facts.

Yes. By ambushing her and being lucky enough that she was using handblasts instead of the AoE blast that one-shotted him the first time. Still not evidence of an upgrade. Thanos was always able to ambush a Cube Being who made herself vulnerable by taking mortal form as long as the Cube Being didn't one-shot him with a huge blast. The Maker took mortal form. Hurting her was absolutely assured since the whole conversation between the two was Thanos curiousity as to why she put herself into such a vulnerable form. This is on-panel.

Yes. Thanos would have knocked Galactus back with a sucker-blast and done nothing but enrage him. I can't believe you are now arguing that Thanos couldn't, simply to justify this upgrade myth.

This topic is making arguments about why one character would beat another. One of your arguments was that Odin is nowhere near as powerful as Void Sentry. I attacked that argument and deconstructed it using your own statements prior, no less. Posts which completely destroy your argument =/= trolling. Don't layer so many levels of phail into your arguments that it provides twice as much opportunity to deconstruct. And STOP projecting your insecurities onto me. Your self-serving arguments that RKT has no chance as similarly as Odin has no chance is at issue here. And the basis of that declaration of yours is ensconsed in utter hypocrisy. You explained that you still yourself more than adequately. Quite so.

[b]Then you've been allowing it a whole hell of a lot here. Assume the position:

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I never said he couldn't attack a person's mind of course he can abuse his own son since he gives him his powers and is the supreme power of asgard. He doesn't have the mental attacks to defeat the Void.

In the end Thor prevailed over his own madness.

Yes, he's always done things to random earthers and what not but has never show to attack someone's mind other than some shitty asgardian while in combat against a foe to defeat them.

he completely outclassed her and Thanos took that shit without even trying to do anything. When he showed back up and wanted to battle her he wiped the floor with her. You also kinda proved the Maker is more powerful than Odin with one blast since Odin couldn't ko or kill him with multiple. 😂

I know she did but she still had awesome power and like you yourself mentioned the power to ko Thanos unlike Odin and Thanos completely abused someone with this much power the next time they met. Thanks.

You're obsessed with me and Thanos. You using two posts to respond to the same post to further derail it is yet another shining example.

Void wins here and like usual I turned your own points against you.

Maker's power levels>Odin's.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Only, it's not limitless. facepalm I don't even know how you get that. His power is as limitless as he literally has the power of a million exploding suns. I sure as hell haven't seen anything coming close to one exploding sun. I'd love to see scans. Based on what we've seen, not your conjecture and Quan-Theories, Void isn't limitless.

Right, Odin takes a Odinsleep once a year for a full day. 😐 I don't see RKT burning through so much power to require an immeadiate charge.

It happened once just like Void beating Molecule Man happened once. You can't pick and choose feats. Void turning into Bob was about as "lucky" as him overpowering Molecule Man. You don't see the sheer hypocrisy in your words? And guess what? RKT can dish out far more damage than what was shown in Siege! 😱

LMAO. Thor didn't block the tendrils in Siege, so he can't block them in a forum match (despite the fact he'll be many times more powerful than he was in Siege, even more so than Odin). But Void, who was turned into Bob during Siege after taking accumulative damage, won't do so in a forum match. Quan, please tell me you see how messed up that line of "logic" is.

What limits with regards to power levels have we seen as the Void?

You just admitted these characters aren't as powerful as the Void as they need to recharge.

No, because we've seen him take far worse and crush earth prior to against superior minds and powerful foes such as Reed, Thor, Strange. If it were a likely option reed or strange would have figured it out don't you think?

When has Thor blocked his tendrils? You seem to be dismissing what happened on panel yet again just because thor was shown to be vastly inferior to the void.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ He actually succeeded at the end, by reaching Thor, and helping him banish Valkyrie. facepalm

And Thanos tried to do the same thing and couldn't do crap about it despite all his tech, prep and the entire Infinity Watch helping. facepalm facepalm

My god. This is a new level of phail I've not seen in a long time... facepalm facepalm facepalm

[b]SIX hail quannies. STAT. [/B]

Thanos doesn't have the personal relationship or is the inspirational leader that Odin is for Thor. Think he doesn't cream out for Thanos half the time he screams out for Odin.

Odg, I ca't recall another poster I have ever affected as much as you at the moment.

Jesus Christ.

So all of Odin's - and the Odinforce's - feats of mental manipulation don't count because they are either

A.) Used on a fellow Asgardian.
B.) Used on random people.

Again, you're dismissing feats you don't like.