Classic Mangog vs. Tyrant (depowered)

Originally posted by zopzop
Taking him by surprise is one thing. BLASTING HIM CLEAR ACROSS A PLANET SMOLDERING is another.

Originally posted by zopzop
The common opponents argument is more extraneous garbage from you. T and A failed to put down Surfer after repeated attacks, yet Thanos beat him to death with 7 blows. Thanos > T and A according to your "logic".

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You're sh1tting me. DP Tyrant's feat of draining Galactus does not elevate him to Galactus' level. Otherwise Doom doing it twiceover, without Galactus' tech and without eons of prep raises him closer to Galactus' level than DP Tyrant. While you may be so committed to this farce that you'll outright admit Doom > DP Tyrant, you can't so stupid as to blindly conclude that Doom is closer to Galactus' level than DP Tyrant is just to preserve some initial notion that DP Tyrant is close to Galactus.

And to be clear, you pointing out Galactus' initial attempt to use his tech is nothing but deflection from MY complete deconstruction of your flimsy rationale. Reread the posts on this page; I'M the one who mentioned how DP Tyrant only did what Doom had already done and YOU'RE the one who thereafter (and only thereafter) started deflecting onto Galactus' "cheating." Not the other way around. Look at the fourth post of this page if you need a phucking reminder and your desperate response that attempts to deflect.

Christ, you're so bewildered you can't even keep simple things like this straight.

You still don't understand. In their final appearance it was Galactus that tried to gain the upper hand by using his tech to drain Tyrant. But this failed.

Doom has nothing to do with this.

Galactus CHEATED FIRST and tried to use his tech to drain Tyrant. But this backfired when Tyrant usurped control of Galactus' own machines and in turn used them against him.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
... he blasted him several lengths of a football field... by utilizing surprise. And this sh1t still does nothing to diminish that Galactus one-shotted him in return... while DP Tyrant did not one-shot Thanos. DP Tyrant didn't even one-shot a drained Surfer.

Yet he couldn't budge Odin and he sure as hell didn't send Tyrant flying several meters and smoldering. All this and Thanos didn't even go looking for a fight with Galactus but to warn him of impending danger.

Are you stupid? How is comparing DP Tyrant's and Galactus' performances against a common opponent "extraneous garbage" when discussing DP Tyrant's and Galactus' power relative to each other? Don't be so willfully ignorant. You're insulting your own intelligence at this point and stripping yourself of dignity. Stop expanding your trainwreck of an argument and get lost. Deal with your butthurt and get some sleep. smh

It's extraneous garbage because the "common foe" crap won't fly here. Thanos 7 shot KILLED the Silver Surfer yet Teneberous and Aegis couldn't put him down with repeated attacks. According to your "common foe" argument : Thanos > T and A.

Congratulations.

What counts is the times they faced off against each other on panel. Those appearances don't work in your favor, hence you bring other garbage into the argument : Galactus was nullified and got better! Tyrant died!11111!1!1 🙄

Originally posted by zopzop
You still don't understand. In their final appearance it was Galactus that tried to gain the upper hand by using his tech to drain Tyrant. But this failed.

Originally posted by zopzop
Doom has nothing to do with this.

Originally posted by zopzop
Galactus CHEATED FIRST and tried to use his tech to drain Tyrant. But this backfired when Tyrant usurped control of Galactus' own machines and in turn used them against him.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Mentioning unextraordinary statements of fact that neither support nor diminish anything I've stated. Particularly the deconstruction of your argument. Of course he does. Because you think the simple act of draining Galactus raises DP Tyrant to Galactus' level. It doesn't. AT ALL. Doom did that twice, without Galactus' own tech and without eons of prep. You need more than that, you need independent feats to raise yourself up to Galactus' level. And you haven't shown any and you keep deflecting from the comparisons that amply illustrate hoe far beyond Galactus is. Repeating unextraordinary statements of fact that neither support nor diminish anything I've stated. Particularly the deconstruction of your argument. Also, good job completely failing to retrace the conversation properly and realize you were the one deflecting from my point.

Galactus CHEATED first and used his machines in order to drain Tyrant. It's RIGHT THERE ON PANEL. It's not what I'm saying or making up, IT'S PROVABLE because it's ON PANEL.

Doom, Thanos, God, whoever you try to weasel into this discussion won't save you.

Galactus tried to cheat his way into a win and failed MISERABLY.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yet he couldn't budge Odin and he sure as hell didn't send Tyrant flying several meters and smoldering. All this and Thanos didn't even go looking for a fight with Galactus but to warn him of impending danger.

It's extraneous garbage because the "common foe" crap won't fly here. Thanos 7 shot KILLED the Silver Surfer yet Teneberous and Aegis couldn't put him down with repeated attacks. According to your "common foe" argument : Thanos > T and A.

Congratulations.

What counts is the times they faced off against each other on panel. Those appearances don't work in your favor, hence you bring other garbage into the argument : Galactus was nullified and got better! Tyrant died!11111!1!1 🙄

Two things: First, declaring that feats against the same foe are irrelevant to comparing their power relative to each other is rucking fetarded. You are not ruckign fetarded. You're just butthurt. Extremely, extraordinarily butthurt. So stop expressing blatant lies that even you don't believe in. You're not recovering any dignity by doing so. Second, do youself a favor and count how many times Tenebrous and Aegis actually hit Surfer.

Congratulations.

I haven't seen anybody self-combust this spectacularly after having their arguments shot down in a long time. Control yourself. Seriously. Get some sleep and stave your e-temper. You're embarrassing yourself.

Originally posted by zopzop
Galactus CHEATED first and used his machines in order to drain Tyrant. It's RIGHT THERE ON PANEL. It's not what I'm saying or making up, IT'S PROVABLE because it's ON PANEL.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Mentioning unextraordinary statements of fact that neither support nor diminish anything I've stated. Particularly the deconstruction of your argument.

Originally posted by zopzop
Doom, Thanos, God, whoever you try to weasel into this discussion won't save you.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Of course he does. Because you think the simple act of draining Galactus raises DP Tyrant to Galactus' level. It doesn't. AT ALL. Doom did that twice, without Galactus' own tech and without eons of prep. You need more than that, you need independent feats to raise yourself up to Galactus' level. And you haven't shown any and you keep deflecting from the comparisons that amply illustrate hoe far beyond Galactus is.

Originally posted by zopzop
Galactus tried to cheat his way into a win and failed MISERABLY.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Repeating unextraordinary statements of fact that neither support nor diminish anything I've stated. Particularly the deconstruction of your argument. Also, good job completely failing to retrace the conversation properly and realize you were the one deflecting from my point.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Once again, Odin has nothing to do with DP Tyrant and Galactus. Your pathetic efforts to troll this point are all for naught as are your repetitions of unextraordinary statements of fact.

Two things: [b]First, declaring that feats against the same foe are irrelevant to comparing their power relative to each other is rucking fetarded. You are not ruckign fetarded. You're just butthurt. Extremely, extraordinarily butthurt. So stop expressing blatant lies that even you don't believe in. You're not recovering any dignity by doing so. Second, do youself a favor and count how many times Tenebrous and Aegis actually hit Surfer.

Congratulations.

I haven't seen anybody self-combust this spectacularly after having their arguments shot down in a long time. Control yourself. Seriously. Get some sleep and stave your e-temper. You're embarrassing yourself. [/B]

LOL You are the one resorting to personal attacks and I'm self combusting? 😆

I thought you were using common foes, except of course when it doesn't suit you. You are the one that started that garbage and I merely pointed out why it's meaningless.

T and A hit Surfer how many times? Three times? And he was still defiant. Thanos hit him 7 times and killed him. Thanos blasted Galactus clear across a moon/planet/whatever yet he couldn't budge Odin.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Your full-blown troll mode that completely ignores my pointed rebuttals are an intriguing manifestation of your butthurt. Of course, still pathetic. Get some sleep, kid.

You HAVE NO POINTS. Don't you get it? Doom draining Galactus using Doom's tech has no baring on the fact that Galactus resorted to cheating in order to beat Tyrant and it backfired! Let that sink in.

^ That you admitted Doom > DP Tyrant. I let that sink in. And I realized that you can't admit how utterly defeated you were on that point. That energy draining =/= superiority. You obviously can't admit it because you're talking about Galactus "cheating," which is again: an unextraordinary statement of fact that doesn't effect the deconstruction of your position.

Originally posted by zopzop
LOL You are the one resorting to personal attacks and I'm self combusting? 😆

Originally posted by zopzop
I thought you were using common foes, except of course when it doesn't suit you. You are the one that started that garbage and I merely pointed out why it's meaningless.

Originally posted by zopzop
T and A hit Surfer how many times? Three times? And he was still defiant. Thanos hit him 7 times and killed him. Thanos blasted Galactus clear across a moon/planet/whatever yet he couldn't budge Odin.

You're so upset that you can't even remember where I correct you on simple facts. These are simple facts, not debatable stances. Of course, you should be upset with yourself. Not me. Get over it. You've sorely disappointed me.

Originally posted by zopzop
You HAVE NO POINTS. Don't you get it? Doom draining Galactus using Doom's tech has no baring on the fact that Galactus resorted to cheating in order to beat Tyrant and it backfired! Let that sink in.

Wow I go to sleep & look at all these posts that have accumulated. 🙂

It's obvious different views are being expressed & it seems neither side is going to give in but I just wanna point out a couple of things.

1. T & A/Doom/Adam have no business being in this thread at all.
2. As far as the 1 for 6 trade goes, there was no reason for Tyrant to keep the others because Jack of Hearts destroyed the main siphoning unit, but I speculate Morg still had some residual energies from the WOL ordeal. Hence Tyrant saying Morg in particular was ripe with energies.

I said a long time ago Tyrant could be somewhat close to Galactus' level (at least low end cosmic). All you have to do is use Odin as a measuring stick. Look at Thanos' respective battles against each. Odin, staff & all (certified high end skyfather) had a really long battle with Thanos and failed to get him to yeild. Thanos, amp and all, had a relatively short battle with Tyrant and admitted Thanos would no doubt finish him. This has to place Tyrant a little higher up on the food chain. And what's the next level beyond certified high end skyfather? Low end cosmic.

Like I said a while ago, this is a implied power vs. On panel feats disscusion. The Anti - Tyrant side needs to see on panel feats in order to promote him but can't get them because he has few apperances. The pro - Tyrant side has references of implied power in the Cosmic Powers/Silver Surfer vol. 3 arcs to give reasonable credibility to supposed status.

Hopefully everyone who's posted in this thread can find some peace with this. What time zone are you all in? Get some sleep guys. 🙂

Classic Mangog for the win! 😄

I'm glad we all agree.

Oh and I guess horrificus did manage to fool sombody.

Originally posted by iceman24567
👆 He did a good job honestly to say he was "twisting" anything is bs

^ Having several people call out your specious accusation should not be cause for laughter... on your part, at least.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Wow I go to sleep & look at all these posts that have accumulated. 🙂

It's obvious different views are being expressed & it seems neither side is going to give in but I just wanna point out a couple of things.

1. T & A/Doom/Adam have no business being in this thread at all.
2. As far as the 1 for 6 trade goes, there was no reason for Tyrant to keep the others because Jack of Hearts destroyed the main siphoning unit, but I speculate Morg still had some residual energies from the WOL ordeal. Hence Tyrant saying Morg in particular was ripe with energies.

Originally posted by Sundipped
I said a long time ago Tyrant could be somewhat close to Galactus' level (at least low end cosmic). All you have to do is use Odin as a measuring stick. Look at Thanos' respective battles against each. Odin, staff & all (certified high end skyfather) had a really long battle with Thanos and failed to get him to yeild. Thanos, amp and all, had a relatively short battle with Tyrant and admitted Thanos would no doubt finish him. This has to place Tyrant a little higher up on the food chain. And what's the next level beyond certified high end skyfather? Low end cosmic.

Like I said a while ago, this is a implied power vs. On panel feats disscusion. The Anti - Tyrant side needs to see on panel feats in order to promote him but can't get them because he has few apperances. The pro - Tyrant side has references of implied power in the Cosmic Powers/Silver Surfer vol. 3 arcs to give reasonable credibility to supposed status.

Hopefully everyone who's posted in this thread can find some peace with this. What time zone are you all in? Get some sleep guys. 🙂

You can simply use Thanos' performance with Galactus and DP Tyrant. Y'know... the two characters actually being discussed and compared? Thanos got one-shotted by Galactus and not one-shotted by DP Tyrant at all. Shows exactly the disparity in power there.

Oh, and invoking Odin is ironic. Especially considering that with respect to DP Tyrant vs Odin, you can compare that by how Odin one-shotted Surfer and DP Tyrant took three shots to down a weakened Surfer. Nice try. We had this discussion: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=485406&pagenumber=32

@Onedumbgo

Tyrant was beating Galactus and anything else on the matter is speculation. Tyrant was winning so the sooner you accept it the better.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Oh and I guess horrificus did manage to fool sombody.

😂

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Having several people call out your specious accusation should not be cause for laughter... on your part, at least. 1. "Punking," in and of itself, is a worthless non-feat that does not prove independent power. Neither does energy-draining. Which is why Warlock and Doom were brought up. Sorry if the taste didn't agree with you.
2. Speculation is... speculation. Using Thanos' performances with Odin and DP Tyrant is a ridiculously roundabout way of trying to compare Galactus and DP Tyrant. It's also transparently dependent on arbitrary tier-manipulation. "[L]ittle higher up on the food chain ... beyond high end skyfather?" Give me a break.

You can simply use Thanos' performance with Galactus and DP Tyrant. [b]Y'know... the two characters actually being discussed and compared? Thanos got one-shotted by Galactus and not one-shotted by DP Tyrant at all. Shows exactly the disparity in power there.

Oh, and invoking Odin is ironic. Especially considering that with respect to DP Tyrant vs Odin, you can compare that by how Odin one-shotted Surfer and DP Tyrant took three shots to down a weakened Surfer. Nice try. We had this discussion: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=485406&pagenumber=32 [/B]

Add 2 to the list who got fooled.
As said before, the onlookers can decideE for themselves. Apology accepted though.

Low end cosmic is the next level beyond high end skyfather but you're entitled to your belief on Tyrants hierarchical satus.

If Tyrant was in full beast mode like when he extended his physical abilities & produced those talons against Galactus, I firmly believe everyone would have been one shotted. Perhaps not Thanos but the fight would have been quicker than it allready was. Only high end cosmics can do that. I placed Tyrant at the low end.

Now you can take the time to respond to this but its not going to change my stance & I'm done trying to change you or anybody elses stance. Agree to dissagree. That is all.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Still bashing away, you lil monkey? 🙄
Well, you go right ahead. After all, you WERE such a big help to your team.

Thanks. I enjoyed it. 👆
Frankly I'm getting tired of it now. Time to move on to something else.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Add 2 to the list who got fooled.
As said before, the onlookers can decideE for themselves. Apology accepted though.

Low end cosmic is the next level beyond high end skyfather but you're entitled to your belief on Tyrants hierarchical satus.

If Tyrant was in full beast mode like when he extended his physical abilities & produced those talons against Galactus, I firmly believe everyone would have been one shotted. Perhaps not Thanos but the fight would have been quicker than it allready was. Only high end cosmics can do that. I placed Tyrant at the low end.

Now you can take the time to respond to this but its not going to change my stance & I'm done trying to change you or anybody elses stance. Agree to dissagree. That is all.

I am. I am also entitled to repeat my reasoning for it. You're not addressing it after all.

You mean after he started absorbing Galactus' energy? Yeah, I think an amped DP Tyrant absorbing Galactus' attacks and energy could one-shot the Heralds also. Regular DP Tyrant, however, didn't.

DP Tyrant is Trans (maybe Skyfather). He doesn't reach Galactus' tier by failing to one-shot a weakened Surfer when Odin, a Skyfather, one-shotted an un-weakened Surfer. C'mon now. Of course, your opinion is your own. And I understand that we won't be changing each others' opinions anytime soon. To each his own.

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