Originally posted by TheTyrant
It's really sad that people think WW can take Apocalypse.
It's pretty sad people think Apoc can take WW 🙂 She's one of the stronger people in DC, definitely high-herald.
Especially the "take out WW first, then go after Superman" comments- she has better defense than he does if she focuses on it.
Originally posted by galactusischere
Tyrant, stop making Apocalypse threads. People here have made their minds about Apocalypse. You can't change that.With that said, I'm siding with team 1. Gladiator >= Superman, Apocalypse > Wonder Woman - IMHO.
They have to learn someday.
Good man.
Originally posted by chomperx9
gladiators knocks out diana then from there him and apoc take on clark
Another good man.
Originally posted by Q99
It's pretty sad people think Apoc can take WW 🙂 She's one of the stronger people in DC, definitely high-herald.Especially the "take out WW first, then go after Superman" comments- she has better defense than he does if she focuses on it.
How is it sad when only 3 people think it? I have nothing against Wonder Woman but come on. How does Diana stomp Apocalypse?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Nah.Superman will probably take on Glads and beat him down as Diana utterly stomps Apoc with superior speed, fighting prowess, strength, and just about everything else that matters.
Where is the opinion of Superman > Gladiator coming from?
High end Glads stuff is pretty uberized, and mentioned enough times where it's common knowledge. 100x light speed, and not just fan measured feats but in comic instrument measured feats, along with the usual planet busting feats, and getting up from Tyrants attack.
What does Supes have on that?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Faster, stronger, has two weapons which can mess him up with out much trouble, better fighter, among the best defenses in comicdom, etc.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Apocalypse can use matter manipulation on powerless and defenseless primitives. He turns Superman and Wonder Woman into rocks.
Originally posted by cdtm
Where is the opinion of Superman > Gladiator coming from?High end Glads stuff is pretty uberized, and mentioned enough times where it's common knowledge. 100x light speed, and not just fan measured feats but in comic instrument measured feats, along with the usual planet busting feats..
What does Supes have on that?
Feats?
Originally posted by cdtm
Where is the opinion of Superman > Gladiator coming from?High end Glads stuff is pretty uberized, and mentioned enough times where it's common knowledge. 100x light speed, and not just fan measured feats but in comic instrument measured feats, along with the usual planet busting feats, and getting up from Tyrants attack.
What does Supes have on that?
He has the fanboy power on that.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Where exactly is the reality warping?
When he turned Oxymandias into stone from distance. That's not reality warping? Ok, how about this?
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powe33.png
Originally posted by TheTyrant
Faster? Diana on a consistent basis gets tagged by metas like Deathstroke or Batman.
Stronger? Apocalypse at base size is stronger than base Hulk and can and has grown to be 100s of fts tall. 10000s if we count that fan art.
😬
She's faster than Apoc in terms of flight speed and eye/hand coordination, which means in close quarters, she's going to mess him up. That "feat" of restraining Hulk is misinterpreted and twisted more times than it's shown for what it is. He used his cables and restricted Hulk's movement from a superior position. Leverage and physics come to mind. Maybe if Apoc bested him in a test of strength, I'd concede that point to you. Diana can use her lasso and perform the exact same feat.
And LOL at "if we count that fan art".
Apoc has no resistance to a bladed tiara that can rend virtually anything it comes in contact with nor can he resist being caught in the soul equivalent of a napalm explosion.
Originally posted by TheTyrant
When he turned Oxymandias into stone from distance. That's not reality warping? Ok, how about this?http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powe33.png
Turning someone into stone doesn't have to be reality manipulation.
How is that reality manipulation?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
😬She's faster than Apoc in terms of flight speed and eye/hand coordination, which means in close quarters, she's going to mess him up. That "feat" of restraining Hulk is misinterpreted and twisted more times than it's shown for what it is. He used his cables and restricted Hulk's movement from a superior position. Leverage and physics come to mind. Maybe if Apoc bested him in a test of strength, I'd concede that point to you. Diana can use her lasso and perform the exact same feat.
And LOL at "if we count that fan art".
Apoc has no resistance to a bladed tiara that can rend virtually anything it comes in contact with nor can he resist being caught in the soul equivalent of a napalm explosion.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Turning someone into stone doesn't have to be reality manipulation.How is that reality manipulation?
Creating a walking, partially sentinet, superbeing out of nothing from miles away is not reality warping? Then what is may I ask?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Feats?
You can't ignore the full-confidence stipulation, which means that we ONLY get to count Glads' top feats (which is complete BS and why he shouldn't be used on forum fights); these include killing a pheonix, one-shotting vulcan, moving 100x speed of light, taking a supernova-level blast like it was nothing, smashing planets, breaking hyperion's back, flying through stars, etc. etc. You could argue that Supes' high feats are similar, but they are off-set by low-end feats in the forum fight, whereas "full confidence" gladiator's are not, making him significantly more powerful in a forum fight.
That said, it is obvious that the lasso will destroy apoc, and that together diana and clark will beat gladiator. This reality-altering, adamantium sky-scraper crap with apocalypse must stop. No matter what the handbooks say his powers are, the only versions of apocalypse that resemble Tyrant's mental picture of him are in the cartoons.
