Originally posted by JakeTheBankHe can't keep reforming and coming back at his will. He has limits whereas the Void doesn't at this point. He was defeated every time he showed up by someone else and even shown his end as some pathetic villain who can't win. Void only loses when he chooses to. Mordru can't win if his life depended on it.
Mordru can reform, though. He can't die.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He can't keep reforming and coming back at his will. He has limits whereas the Void doesn't at this point. He was defeated every time he showed up by someone else and even shown his end as some pathetic villain who can't win. Void only loses when he chooses to. Mordru can't win if his life depended on it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He can't keep reforming and coming back at his will. He has limits whereas the Void doesn't at this point. He was defeated every time he showed up by someone else and even shown his end as some pathetic villain who can't win. Void only loses when he chooses to. Mordru can't win if his life depended on it.
Yeah, he can. He's an energy being.
Void's limit: an exploding helicarrier. Mordru's limit: Doctor Fate/Nabu? A 5th-dimensional imp? An enraged Spectre e.g. DoV? The entire Legion of Superheroes and then some?
Originally posted by Johnny SorrowThe helicarrier didn't defeat him it brought bob out which allowed the heroes to beat him. Fate beat him.
Yeah, he can. He's an energy being.Void's limit: an exploding helicarrier. Mordru's limit: Doctor Fate/Nabu? A 5th-dimensional imp? An enraged Spectre e.g. DoV? The entire Legion of Superheroes and then some?
Originally posted by cdtmIt' not a low showing but even an amped Mordru can be defeated which was my point. Void can keep coming back. Mordru cannot. Point proven.
It took some major plot device amping to beat him in LO3W. Not exactly the low end showing you're making it.And he has a history of soloing the Legion in his older form. Even conquered the universe once, after the death of original Time Trapper.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The helicarrier didn't defeat him it brought bob out which allowed the heroes to beat him. Fate beat him.It' not a low showing but even an amped Mordru can be defeated which was my point. Void can keep coming back. Mordru cannot. Point proven.
The explosion reverted the Void back into Bob.
Mordru can be defeated, all bad guys can be defeated. That's how comic books work.
Originally posted by Johnny SorrowNot the Void. He was only defeated because he wanted to be.
The explosion reverted the Void back into Bob.Mordru can be defeated, all bad guys can be defeated. That's how comic books work.
Yes, that explosion which was far less on top of all the things unraveling in his life reverted him in that instant after all the horrible things he had recently done all provided the perfect storm to do so.
Void wins here.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Not the Void. He was only defeated because he wanted to be.Yes, that explosion which was far less on top of all the things unraveling in his life reverted him in that instant after all the horrible things he had recently done all provided the perfect storm to do so.
Void wins here.
Gibberish much? Bob held onto his sanity long enough for Thor to land a killing blow. That doesn't mean no one can land a killing blow on the Void, and he was fighting a lackluster team of enemies at best. Or are you going to tell me about all those vague, unknown powerups of the Norn Stones? Even Loki says that the Norn Stones give context-dependent powers based on the people themselves.
So the Void can't be defeated by Eternity, Lucifer Morningstar, the Spectre, etc. if he doesn't want to be?
Mordru ftw
Originally posted by quanchi112
Not the Void. He was only defeated because he wanted to be.Yes, that explosion which was far less on top of all the things unraveling in his life reverted him in that instant after all the horrible things he had recently done all provided the perfect storm to do so.
Void wins here.
If forcing the Hulk to revert to Banner is considered a loss, then why isn't it for Void? Or is this just another attempt at humor on your part?
Okay, Quan, for my benefit so that I don't place Void in future threads where he clearly beats the competition, please tell me who does beat the Void? And no, it's not baiting, it's a simple, legitimate question. In your opinion, can you name off at least several people outside of the obvious such as the Presence/LT/or TOAA who can beat Void per a forum match? And yes, I figure Thanos with telepathy will be one of your choices, but anyone else?
I figured if you think none of these people can beat Void, you would have a good idea of who or what can.
Originally posted by Johnny SorrowI never said that I said with the foes he has faced and amongst skyfather type characters he beats. Void reverted and Bob wanted to lose so he allowed Thor to kill him. He wanted Thor to do so.
Gibberish much? Bob held onto his sanity long enough for Thor to land a killing blow. That doesn't mean no one can land a killing blow on the Void, and he was fighting a lackluster team of enemies at best. Or are you going to tell me about all those vague, unknown powerups of the Norn Stones? Even Loki says that the Norn Stones give context-dependent powers based on the people themselves.So the Void can't be defeated by Eternity, Lucifer Morningstar, the Spectre, etc. if he doesn't want to be?
Originally posted by JakeTheBankThanos can beat him. That's all I can think of at the moment. Honest. 😂
Okay, Quan, for my benefit so that I don't place Void in future threads where he clearly beats the competition, please tell me who does beat the Void? And no, it's not baiting, it's a simple, legitimate question. In your opinion, can you name off at least several people outside of the obvious such as the Presence/LT/or TOAA who can beat Void per a forum match? And yes, I figure Thanos with telepathy will be one of your choices, but anyone else?I figured if you think none of these people can beat Void, you would have a good idea of who or what can.
Originally posted by BerserkersRageBecause it was he himself who reverted. He has control over what he does. Banner reverting can be forced by someone else's actions like the Rulk.
Mordru ftwIf forcing the Hulk to revert to Banner is considered a loss, then why isn't it for Void? Or is this just another attempt at humor on your part?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Not just telepathy but being powerful enough to fend off his attacks and survive them while doing so at the same time. Most if not all telepaths get wrecked pretty quickly against the Void.
So which other telepaths can survive then? Would it have to be someone with telepathy/other powers to fall back on, or just an extremely powerful psychic?
Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said that I said with the foes he has faced and amongst skyfather type characters he beats. Void reverted and Bob wanted to lose so he allowed Thor to kill him. He wanted Thor to do so.
You just repeated what I said.
You actually said this:
Originally posted by quanchi112
[B]Void only loses when he chooses to./B]
Sounds like it applies to everyone.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Because it was he himself who reverted. He has control over what he does. Banner reverting can be forced by someone else's actions like the Rulk.
Well, your previous post had this to say:
Originally posted by quanchi112Yes, that explosion which was far less on top of all the things unraveling in his life reverted him in that instant after all the horrible things he had recently done all provided the perfect storm to do so.
I have seen the scans of the infamous helicarrier incident (no, I didn't read the comic) and it does look like Voids transformation back to Bob was forced by the helicarrier impact. Are you implying that if Thor didn't drop the helicarrier on his head, Void would have reverted back to Bob on his own? Just asking for clarification, since your 2 posts seem to contridict each other.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He can't keep reforming and coming back at his will. He has limits whereas the Void doesn't at this point. He was defeated every time he showed up by someone else and even shown his end as some pathetic villain who can't win. Void only loses when he chooses to. Mordru can't win if his life depended on it.
His timeline has no end and no beginning. Also if you want to badmouth Mordru as a villain well...he's accomplished way more than Void ever has and is feared throughout the DCU as one of the most dangerous evil magic users of all time.
Mordru wins here.