Originally posted by Letum LettowMost Powerful? Militarily and Politically, its a no contest. Pure un assisted personal strength? Not necessarily a no contest but I wouldn't doubt old Palp's for a second.
This seems to contrast sharply with your other post, so if you didn't mean to say the bit about Yoda and Sidious perhaps NOT being the most powerful of their respective orders as of ROTS, then therein lies the confusion.
I don't doubt their power, I doubt there uncontestability. For example, it is canon fact that Palpatine once went to Korriban and "DEMANDED" that the Sith Lords teach him a secret of immortality, they smacked him down and would have likely destroyed him utterly had his body guard driven them off long enough to get the **** out of there. Big dude, beserker even, even held palps soul for a while. Well anyways, Palpatine spent some time recovering from this ordeal and never against made such impudent demands from the Dark Lords.
And no, it doesn't contrast. At all. You just don't understand things that aren't pure cocksucking to some of the stupidest parts of Canon.
The part I was referring to about Sidious being the most powerful in his order was on memory that the comment was made by an in-verse narrator. oops. Still doesn't change the fact that it is litterally impossible to hold all the Collective knowledge of the Sith, and it is definitely impossible for him to have the same of the Jedi.
And on this part, you can kiss my ass. I don't care what some fapping-mad fanboy who had a hardon crush for Sidious like Traviss had for the Mandos, but it simply isn't possible for him to have all the knowledge.
Again, I'm not doubting the dudes and goddamn walking library with a lot of knowledge. He is incredibly brilliant and well-educated, quite likely the most thoroughly(Given available resources) educated of all the post Sith Empire Dark Lords.
And again, with his own pure power, Palpatine is no doubt a ****ing Beast. However, this doesn't change the fact that, like Yoda, it is likely he would have benefited from being born during the Old Sith Wars.
Now as far as Yoda is concerned and the Golden Age of the Jedi, that shit is just ridiculous. Unless, you want to claim all Jedi before them were mouthdrooling, illiterate, severely Autistic mentally handicapped "Special" kids with minor powers at best. Quite frankly, the PT-Era Jedi were as rotten as the Republic and it was mostly due to the Ruusan Reformation. Yoda is the ultimate example of soemone who could have been so much more. He should have been a Nigh-Living God that was unfoolable and could at the very least, detect a Sith Lords thoughts WHILE RIGHT BE ****ING SIDE THEM!!!
Qui-Gon had apoint about focusing on the here and now but since the Jedi were too corrupt and stuck in there ways....
They got ****ed. Period. Lucas can crap on and on about how Yoda's Jedi were the best but Goddamn they pulled some retarded shit. For example, Anakin wasn't exactly very subtle or very good about being secret about his relationship with Padme, but did Yoda pick up on it? Nope. Nobody did until it was far too ****ing late. Palpatine's shit has the excuse of being a Super-Sith but Anakin?
That boy didn't know subtlety when the word was spelt out for him.
But even worse, his method of "helping" anakin? It was basically the equivalent of " STOP BEING A PU/SSY AND MAN-UP ALREADY"
Thanks Yoda, you're so awesomely powerful yet incredibly retarded.
Any guesses on likely punishment? Exile from the order for one, two Kenobi might go with him if he is decent enough. But really, he never had a problem with the council's way of doing things and was too much of a tool to challenge them.
Golden Age?
More Like Gilded Age. For the Republic and the Jedi. that's the cold hard truth. Unless of course, that paticular Galaxy was full of dribbling retards pre-PT trilogy.
Also, I have Jar Jar porn.
Originally posted by Letum LettowDo you have proof for the "likely destroyed him utterly" line?
I don't doubt their power, I doubt there uncontestability. For example, it is canon fact that Palpatine once went to Korriban and "DEMANDED" that the Sith Lords teach him a secret of immortality, they smacked him down and would have likely destroyed him utterly had his body guard driven them off long enough to get the **** out of there. Big dude, beserker even, even held palps soul for a while. Well anyways, Palpatine spent some time recovering from this ordeal and never against made such impudent demands from the Dark Lords.
Originally posted by Letum LettowRegardless, canon is canon. We can question it and dislike it all we want (3 million clones can go f*ck Karen Traviss), but we don't disregard it because we don't like it.
And no, it doesn't contrast. At all. You just don't understand things that aren't pure cocksucking to some of the stupidest parts of Canon.
Originally posted by Letum LettowThe narrator has license from LucasArts to effectively speak on their behalf. New material must fall under their definition of canon within Star Wars. The omniscient narrator can dictate what they will so long as they obey the company's rules. Stover identified Yoda as the "most dangerous foe the Darkness had ever faced", and so he is (up until that period within the mythos). Sidious defeated Yoda. Handily. "(B)efore he (Yoda) had been born." Sidious takes the top spot for the most powerful Sith Lord to wield the Force. 30 odd years later, he was even more powerful circa DE. To disregard that because an author wrote it gives us license to disregard EVERYTHING an author other than Lucas writes. Star Wars canon does not function like that.
The part I was referring to about Sidious being the most powerful in his order was on memory that the comment was made by an in-verse narrator. oops. Still doesn't change the fact that it is litterally impossible to hold all the Collective knowledge of the Sith, and it is definitely impossible for him to have the same of the Jedi.And on this part, you can kiss my ass. I don't care what some fapping-mad fanboy who had a hardon crush for Sidious like Traviss had for the Mandos, but it simply isn't possible for him to have all the knowledge.
Originally posted by Letum LettowTrue.
Again, I'm not doubting the dudes and goddamn walking library with a lot of knowledge. He is incredibly brilliant and well-educated, quite likely the most thoroughly(Given available resources) educated of all the post Sith Empire Dark Lords.
Originally posted by Letum LettowAlso true.
And again, with his own pure power, Palpatine is no doubt a ****ing Beast. However, this doesn't change the fact that, like Yoda, it is likely he would have benefited from being born during the Old Sith Wars.
Originally posted by Letum LettowFeel free to feel how you want, but if you plan on sticking around this forum, you're going to have to start obeying its rules. We obey canon. Lucas himself credits his PT Jedi as the Order's Golden Age. Don't like it? Suck it up.
Now as far as Yoda is concerned and the Golden Age of the Jedi, that shit is just ridiculous. Unless, you want to claim all Jedi before them were mouthdrooling, illiterate, severely Autistic mentally handicapped "Special" kids with minor powers at best. Quite frankly, the PT-Era Jedi were as rotten as the Republic and it was mostly due to the Ruusan Reformation. Yoda is the ultimate example of soemone who could have been so much more. He should have been a Nigh-Living God that was unfoolable and could at the very least, detect a Sith Lords thoughts WHILE RIGHT BE ****ING SIDE THEM!!!
Originally posted by Letum LettowHere you can feel free again to interpret "Golden Age". Was it the Golden Age of dogmatic transparency, liberalism, and flexibility? No. Was it the Golden Age of the Jedi Order most powerful members and skilled duelists? Yes.
Qui-Gon had apoint about focusing on the here and now but since the Jedi were too corrupt and stuck in there ways....
Originally posted by Letum LettowAgain, obey this forum's rules on canon, or GTFO.
They got ****ed. Period. Lucas can crap on and on about how Yoda's Jedi were the best but Goddamn they pulled some retarded shit.
Originally posted by Letum LettowYou're just ranting now about the film's flaws that we all here know about.
For example, Anakin wasn't exactly very subtle or very good about being secret about his relationship with Padme, but did Yoda pick up on it? Nope. Nobody did until it was far too ****ing late. Palpatine's shit has the excuse of being a Super-Sith but Anakin?That boy didn't know subtlety when the word was spelt out for him.
But even worse, his method of "helping" anakin? It was basically the equivalent of " STOP BEING A PU/SSY AND MAN-UP ALREADY"
Thanks Yoda, you're so awesomely powerful yet incredibly retarded.
Any guesses on likely punishment? Exile from the order for one, two Kenobi might go with him if he is decent enough. But really, he never had a problem with the council's way of doing things and was too much of a tool to challenge them.
Golden Age?
More Like Gilded Age. For the Republic and the Jedi. that's the cold hard truth. Unless of course, that paticular Galaxy was full of dribbling retards pre-PT trilogy.
Originally posted by Letum LettowWho doesn't?
Also, I have Jar Jar porn.
EDIT: You probably haven't read Gideon's essay. There's the link for it, you can PM him for any sources.
Originally posted by Red Nemesis🤨
I think he is Nebaris.
Anywho....you kind of missed the point entirely. Yes, it had the order's most powerful members, doesn't change the fact that they rarely used such power beyond moving their blades really fast.
It doesn't change the fact that Yoda could have likely benefited from the excess and wealth of knowledge of the Old Jedi. It doesn't change the fact that, in areas of competency and general awareness, they had issues and were too focused on mysticism and the religious part of it and partially forgot their duties to the point of letting massive corruption and evil throughout the galaxy continue.
Yes, Yoda's powerful, but what I am saying is that he could have been much more.
What I was saying about Sidious and the Old Dark Lords is that some of the Dark Lord may have been able to stand up to him, not beat, but stand up to him in battle none the less, with the aid of Sith Artifacts. Maybe.
As for the incident of the Dark Lords of Korriban laying the Smack down on him, it is a reference from The Emperor's Pawn's and apparently they just cowed him, they didn't threaten to destroy him.
But then again, the Dark Lords had access to Korriban itself and a larger chunk of power so it isn't that surprising they could cow him if need be.
Ahh...
Now I remember why I left. It's because the Palpatine fanboys were taking it too far and siggesting he could stomp on the collective might of Kun, Revan, Sadow, and Nadd all at once iwthout so much as a scratch. I don't remember if it was a thread or not but I still agree with Palpatine beating the any of the two in combat while three of them might be a bit more even. All four of them or
In other words, I don't deny that both Palpatine and Yoda are extremely powerful, I just believe they could have used said power in much more...interesting ways and both would have benefited from and increased knowledge pool to drawn from. Yoda would have benfitted in awareness and Palpatine may have found a way to slow the decay and burn-out of his body from the Stupendous amount of Dark Power it was channeling. Hell, he likely could have gotten it anyways if he had asked nicely. Advanced Sith Alchemy would likely have been damn useful in that respect. Not that he didn't have it, it just seems he didn't make any useful tools like say Muur or some of the other darklords.
[palpatine could] stomp on the collective might of Kun, Revan, Sadow, and Nadd all at once
This is preposterous. Only Bandon could do that. And maybe Plo Koon, if he had the help of Johun Othone. (Without that help he simply annihilates them; Johun's negative contribution brings the win down to "stomp" level.)
Edit: Neb, I like this post. It hits on just how badly Lucas has eff'd up continuity.
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
This is preposterous. Only Bandon could do that. And maybe Plo Koon, if he had the help of Johun Othone. (Without that help he simply annihilates them; Johun's negative contribution brings the win down to "stomp" level.)Edit: Neb, I like this post. It hits on just how badly Lucas has eff'd up continuity.
Ok...um seriously, I might have missed a few trolls as I've been gone a while.
who is this Neb? Another form of...what's his face, that young kid that kept coming back, over and over?
Originally posted by Letum LettowAhh...
Now I remember why I left. It's because the Palpatine fanboys were taking it too far and siggesting he could stomp on the collective might of Kun, Revan, Sadow, and Nadd all at once iwthout so much as a scratch. I don't remember if it was a thread or not but I still agree with Palpatine beating the any of the two in combat while three of them might be a bit more even. All four of them or
Sidious, or even Luke is not going to be able to handle more than one ancient Sith at a time,or more than one top-tier combatant of any era really. They win, but they are worthy combatants.
Except for Revan, whom we know absolutely NOTHING about. Difficult to prove that he could keep up in a duel with anyone, from assaji to Darth Vader.
Finally: The insult "fanboy" got cycled out years and years ago. We don't use it anymore, and you date yourself with it. Please adjust accordingly.
Oh. Well, at first it was justified because some fanboys, Revan Wankers especially, started to get ridiculous.
Let me guess, the Ante's went a little too far with it and started blasting everything and everyone by calling them fanboys and Rex had enough of it?
Also, I am going to guess that the mods still enjoy certain immunities.
I am from olden times. But those times were lively and interesting.
Well, since this is bumped....
Ragnos stomps. Bandon wasn't even a full Sith Lord, but a Shadow Hand (their term for apprentice.)
Also, what Gideon said.
Originally posted by truejedi
Mathew Stover. You know, infallible canon-writing star wars author. (incidently a man whose opinion is MUCH more relevant than yours
"um, Bandon >>>> Ragnos"
Ok, NOW you're just being a contrarian.
"Has Ragnos even proved that he can Force push a technician into a console?"
Well, he beat the living crap out of Simus in a fair fight and by all accounts weathered several challenges to his rule from his fellow Sith (this in an era where Sith Magic and the like were still very common, mind ye).
"No? Then what's to stop Bandon from doing that?"
Oh, I don't doubt Bandon can PROBABLY do that if he gets lucky. The question is if it will DO anything.
Remember, this is a guy who nearly brought down the New Republic a few millenia after he DIED. we have seen absolutely nothing from Bandon to believe he is anywhere near that caliber.