Originally posted by tkitna
Probably right, but he more than held his own against Gladiator, Hulk, Vulcan, and others.I dont think its as decisive as everybodys making it out to be.
Originally posted by tkitna
How is a character with Matter Manipulation, Mind Control, A scream that might be the deadliest weapon in the know Marvel Universe, physical attributes and speed that can match the other character, and the ability to wrap all his powers into a final Master Blow be getting no love here?BB wins
He has no mind control, you're referring to Maximus. The phrase "matter manipulation" is misleading when you don't go into specifics, especially when it really just creates shockwaves instead of turning people's heads into Jello. He doesn't do the transmutation stuff often.
His physical attributes are nowhere near BA's, and speed...nowhere near BA's.
Originally posted by dmills
Looking strictly at their powerset's it's clear BB should win more often then not.
Power of seven gods > Partial electron manipulation
From the majority of the posts, I see a few more peeps siding with BA on this one. He has the str, durability, and speed to really get on top of Black Bolt from the get go. But remember, i said each has to at least KO the other from my original post. Knowing this, who's to say BB will not go all out from the get go start off with a planet-wide quasi-sonic attack that obliterates everything? He has an offensive attack that is easily one of the most feared in Marvel Universe. Can BA withstand such an assault. Also a no nonsense BB will amp his already high physical stats from the start as well. This guy hangs with the likes of Hulk, Gladiator, etc. This shouldn't be as clear cut as some people think.
Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
He has no mind control, you're referring to Maximus.
What would you consider that?
The phrase "matter manipulation" is misleading when you don't go into specifics, especially when it really just creates shockwaves instead of turning people's heads into Jello. He doesn't do the transmutation stuff often.
He formed a robe, created a support, and it even states that he could manipulate every electron in a persons body to turn them into stone in this one scan.
http://img45.exs.cx/img45/9417/matt4cy.jpg
Seems a bit more to me then merely creating shockwaves.
His physical attributes are nowhere near BA's, and speed...nowhere near BA's.
So Black Adam is that far above Hulk, Gladiator, and Vulcan? Hmph, when did that happen? Maybe when he beat on a bunch of b-listers and a wanking Lantern or two in WW3. Hard to tell.
Originally posted by tkitna
What would you consider that?
Consider what? His non-existent mind control, which actually belongs to Maximus?
Originally posted by tkitna He formed a robe, created a support, and it even states that he could manipulate every electron in a persons body to turn them into stone in this one scan.http://img45.exs.cx/img45/9417/matt4cy.jpg
Seems a bit more to me then merely creating shockwaves.
How often has he used that in battle?
Originally posted by tkitna So Black Adam is that far above Hulk, Gladiator, and Vulcan? Hmph, when did that happen? Maybe when he beat on a bunch of b-listers and a wanking Lantern or two in WW3. Hard to tell.
BB has to amp himself up to even approach their levels. Yes, he's above the Vulcan who got his butt handed to him by his own brother and who isn't that impressive without his energy manipulation powers. He's stronger than Gladiator to a slight degree and stronger than base Hulk.
I didn't know the entire JSA and then some were B-listers. I wasn't referring to the WW3 arc but obviously you have some hate you need to let out.
Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Consider what? His non-existent mind control, which actually belongs to Maximus?
So he did nothing in this scan?
http://img227.exs.cx/img227/623/ment9bn.jpg
How often has he used that in battle?
Lol. So your going to go into weak argument form by saying that he doesnt use his powers very often so they shouldnt count in this battle. The fact remains that he has these powers and they are avaliable to him as he sees fit.
BB has to amp himself up to even approach their levels. Yes, he's above the Vulcan who got his butt handed to him by his own brother and who isn't that impressive without his energy manipulation powers. He's stronger than Gladiator to a slight degree and stronger than base Hulk.
So Gladiator is weaker than a base Hulk? Lol. Gladiator is as least as strong as Adam and probably more so with speed to match. Whatever. Its apples and oranges except they are all in the same class.
I didn't know the entire JSA and then some were B-listers. I wasn't referring to the WW3 arc but obviously you have some hate you need to let out.
I just want to know why everybody thinks he's so formidable. WW3 is the only thing I can think of. Yeah he's a badass, but people are talking in this thread like its almost spite in his favor. I just cant see it. I dont even think he wins period.
Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Consider what? His non-existent mind control, which actually belongs to Maximus?How often has he used that in battle?
BB has to amp himself up to even approach their levels. Yes, he's above the Vulcan who got his butt handed to him by his own brother and who isn't that impressive without his energy manipulation powers. He's stronger than Gladiator to a slight degree and stronger than base Hulk.
I didn't know the entire JSA and then some were B-listers. I wasn't referring to the WW3 arc but obviously you have some hate you need to let out.
he has used his electron based powers to different degrees of mind raping more than once.
http://img11.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=e1812_mindblast.jpg#
to add to tkitna's post.
Originally posted by dmills
@Johhny
I consider Nova and BB to be on the same tier powerwise. After some thought you seemed willing to give Nova a slight edge vs BA in the Nova vs BA thread, why not BB? Was it the Stargate thing?
aww come on Dmills. this is a BA Vs. BB debate!
Ok ok we get it... Nova Prime is badassss. you happy now??
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Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
He has no mind control, you're referring to Maximus. The phrase "matter manipulation" is misleading when you don't go into specifics, especially when it really just creates shockwaves instead of turning people's heads into Jello. He doesn't do the transmutation stuff often.His physical attributes are nowhere near BA's, and speed...nowhere near BA's.
Power of seven gods > Partial electron manipulation
More or less.
I actually think BB is powerful enough to put Adam down though. I just can't see BB being capable of reacting fast enough to get the first, second, third, or tenth shot in.
Like it or not, speed kills, and Adam has the speed here, along with the power to do serious damage.
Originally posted by dmills
This is the problem when you take a purely feats based approach. Looking strictly at their powerset's it's clear BB should win more often then not. But instead we get "ZOMG, ADAM FOUGHT THE JLA!"
He was technically comparing fights, I think, instead of feats. Feats are more like "moved mountains/survived nukes".
But yeah, BB has a pretty impressive resume. His record against Hulk is better than Thor's, I think.
Basically, BB's kind of like less versatile Surfer or Thor. His electron manipulation can give him the edge against a lot of opponents, except one's like Thor who's hammer can absorb or redirect their energies..
Glads really could've owned him, with his speed edge mixed with his physical stats though, and I'm pulling for Adam based on the same reason.
Originally posted by cdtm
More or less.I actually think BB is powerful enough to put Adam down though. I just can't see BB being capable of reacting fast enough to get the first, second, third, or tenth shot in.
Like it or not, speed kills, and Adam has the speed here, along with the power to do serious damage.
definitely agree with BA having the speed advantage. But BB is not a slug. He has shown to react and move at great speeds. BB also has the versatility advantage.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Inhumans_TGR_001_55.jpg
http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blackboltfeat62ez.gif
Originally posted by dmills
I'm a guy that favors versatility. The fact that BB can do so many different things with energy, including amping his stats, should give him an edge here. It's not always about strength and speed.
Not always. That's why I'd pick Thanos over PC Superman, because I think he has the sheer durability to take an opening speed blitz and use his versatility. I'd HATE having to pick that, and I know there's others who'd disagree, but that's just how I see it.
And while BB's tough, he's up against someone who's steamrolled characters at least as tough while being saddled with PIS against using his full potential, like one shotting Power Girl.
Now imagine all that raw power at near light speed. Taking not just one knock of the type that put PG into unconsciousness, but half a dozen, or a full dozen. More? All before he gets a chance to fire off an electron beam or employ a scream.
