Originally posted by dmills
@cdtm,You've peaked my curiosity. I need to inquire about the durability of BB. I was alway under the impression that it's top of the food chain.
His durability is high, yes. I'd say it's at least comparable with Thor's.
But Black Bolt casually took out Power Girl. And it wasn't even in World War III, but Black Reign, and he did similar in a later JSA story. Even if I put Black Bolts durability ahead of PG, we're still talking about Adam using a single attack to take her out.
So when you factor in Adam turning up the speed, and hitting BB with everything he has to end it as soon as he could, BB would need to be more then a step ahead of PG durability wise to weather that, IMO.
Originally posted by cdtm
His durability is high, yes. I'd say it's at least comparable with Thor's.But Black Bolt casually took out Power Girl. And it wasn't even in World War III, but Black Reign, and he did similar in a later JSA story. Even if I put Black Bolts durability ahead of PG, we're still talking about Adam using a single attack to take her out.
So when you factor in Adam turning up the speed, and hitting BB with everything he has to end it as soon as he could, BB would need to be more then a step ahead of PG durability wise to weather that, IMO.
troo, but in comics there are good days and bad days for each character. like the one every poster here uses over and over as a feat for Orion Vs. threads. the one in which he one shots superman with astro force. superman has tanked waaay more than that in other showings.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
troo, but in comics there are good days and bad days for each character. like the one every poster here uses over and over as a feat for Orion Vs. threads. the one in which he one shots superman with astro force. superman has tanked waaay more than that in other showings.
Personally, I was more impressed by Supes getting taken out as collateral damage along with Mantis and Kalibak in Death of the New Gods.
The Astro Force is also pretty variable. I know in the Kirby days, the first or second issue had Orion claim the Astro Force could possibly destroy him, so maybe that's why it's not always doing high end stuff, like stopping universe destroying doomsday devices or shaking the foundations of the Earth in passing...
Or even just stunning high end bricks with a small burst, as he did in Kirby's days.
Originally posted by dmills
Ok fair enough. But I don't recall cis being off, so is the speed blitz even apart of BA's regular tactics? You know the 3x on panel rule stands, so if you have at least 3 examples of this, BA wins.
Post op didn't say, so I guess it's on.
I can give three examples of Adam using his speed (Like knocking Jay Garrick out of a speed blitz, and into unconsciousness), but not really a speed blitz.
Ok, BB has a better chance than. 😄
I still think he has the majority edge though, considering how he decisively defeats Power Girl in non WW3 examples, took out Dr. Fate, broke construct restraints from Alan Scott. Beat the hell out of Captain Marvel too, from their first Post Crisis mini down to World War 3. If you look at his history, he's ALWAYS been hard hitting, and not only in World War 3.
Originally posted by dmills
This is the problem when you take a purely feats based approach. Looking strictly at their powerset's it's clear BB should win more often then not. But instead we get "ZOMG, ADAM FOUGHT THE JLA!"
Originally posted by tkitna
So he did nothing in this scan?
Um, not mind control. He made him go to sleep. Maximus didn't do a chicken dance.
Originally posted by tkitna Lol. So your going to go into weak argument form by saying that he doesnt use his powers very often so they shouldnt count in this battle. The fact remains that he has these powers and they are avaliable to him as he sees fit.
Actually a weak argument is saying that since a character does something once out of combat, he can and shall do it in combat.
Along the lines of your argument, I could say that every Superman forum battle ends with him pulling a Manchester Black and lobotomizing his opponent with heat vision.
Originally posted by tkitna So Gladiator is weaker than a base Hulk? Lol. Gladiator is as least as strong as Adam and probably more so with speed to match. Whatever. Its apples and oranges except they are all in the same class.
Gladiator > base Hulk
Gladiator is weaker than BA, but not to the extent that he would get stomped on in a straight-up fight. Base Hulk without amping his strength would get stomped.
Originally posted by tkitna I just want to know why everybody thinks he's so formidable. WW3 is the only thing I can think of. Yeah he's a badass, but people are talking in this thread like its almost spite in his favor. I just cant see it. I dont even think he wins period.
That's your opinion. Other people disagree and will actually formulate an argument for their position.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
he has used his electron based powers to different degrees of mind raping more than once.http://img11.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=e1812_mindblast.jpg#
to add to tkitna's post.
Not mind control. His "mind blasts" consist of physically affecting the brain with electrons. Nowhere is he erasing memories, forcing people to do what he wants, and anything else associated with true mind control.
It's like claiming Vulcan is a telepath because he can manipulate psionic energy.
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Originally posted by dmills
@Johhny
I consider Nova and BB to be on the same tier powerwise. After some thought you seemed willing to give Nova a slight edge vs BA in the Nova vs BA thread, why not BB? Was it the Stargate thing?
Nova has abilities and attacks that BA cannot simply tank, and he's used them enough in battle for it not to be a stretch. BB barely uses transmutation, and it won't work well against someone with magical resistance to such things. Captain Marvel was hit with a tesseract bomb and survived, and BA has the same power set from a different source.
Not to mention he has a second voice in his head that constantly feeds him information and advice, as well as controlling his power output. BA should have something similar, the 'wisdom' factor of a god, but he doesn't show it often.
Nah, I always though Nova had a slight advantage. I wasn't sure if he would exploit them fully when BA is perfectly willing to kill.
Originally posted by tkitna
So you seriously think BA is going to rush right in there and speedblitz Blackagar for the KO before he can react?Good lord
Well, he does have comparable speed to Superman. That's about the same speed Flash was at in early post crisis. So with CIS off, he could. (Alas, Adam and Billy don't blitz like Superman does in comics, even though they're capable of it..)
With CIS on, it's down to whether BB can survive the initial bull rush, and hit Adam with something powerful enough to take him out. Adam DID take out Power Girl, casually, and she's no pushover. For that matter, I believe Fate is supposed to be invulnerable, and Adam took him out too.
@Omega,
Ok but power set has to come into play at some point right? It goes back to the whole Super Strength vs Gravity manipulation thread. I mean, you can be faster and stronger then me, but if I control positrons and electrons, I'm going to shut down your central nervous system. Then you can't do jack.
BB is fully capable of doing those things and has done it on panel. Not to mention he is extremely skilled at using his powers in battle and varies his tactics according to the type of opponent he's facing.
Originally posted by dmills
@Omega,Ok but power set has to come into play at some point right? It goes back to the whole Super Strength vs Gravity manipulation thread. I mean, you can be faster and stronger then me, but if I control positrons and electrons, I'm going to shut down your central nervous system. Then you can't do jack.
BB is fully capable of doing those things and has done it on panel. Not to mention he is extremely skilled at using his powers in battle and varies his tactics according to the type of opponent he's facing.
Martian Manhunter has a shit-ton more powers than BB but he still loses to Black Adam.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
You must prove that these things would have an effect on Black Adam.Martian Manhunter has a shit-ton more powers than BB but he still loses to Black Adam.
Because he tried to fight Adam head to head. Without the CIS, he should do a lot better...
IMO.
But I don't want to make this about MM vs Adam.. There's already a Superman vs MM thread, and it's hard enough making a case for MM against Supes..
BA will most probably on top of him in less than a sec. question is does BB have the durability to come back from an opening attack from adam. adam's initial attack will probably be a devastating one since he's black adam and he goes for the kill/ko almost every time. cis is on to an extent, but I added they have to AT THE VERY LEAST, KO one another. so they will be going all out somewhat... <does that sound right... lol.....
