Originally posted by janus77That 'version' of Doom has no confirmed feats to warrant placing him on such a high level. Reflect for a moment...
Doom ftw, don't think classic Strange ever approached Marquis of Death levels of power
-The MoD turned Doom's blood into acid and sent him to the pre-historic era where he was ripped apart by the 'locals'. He later said that "hate kept him alive", but c'mon, Doom is also an adept time traveler. And as Morgana has demonstrated, time traveling can be used to gain one relative immortality (Dark Avengers #2-3.)
-Doom said that he transformed himself molecule by molecule so the MoD couldn't recognize him - but considering all of Doom's abilities/tech, I doubt it would be that hard for him to change the molecules of his body.
-Doom said that he killed a Watcher - but no specifics pertaining to how he did so were ever revealed.
-Lastly, Doom blasted the MoD after he had already been wtfpwned by the F4, and was pathetically weak.
He just wasn't overly impressive in retrospect. Imo.
Originally posted by Galan007
That 'version' of Doom has no confirmed feats to warrant placing him on such a high level. Reflect for a moment...-The MoD turned Doom's blood into acid and sent him to the pre-historic era where he was ripped apart by the 'locals'. He later said that "hate kept him alive", but c'mon, Doom is also an adept time traveler. And as Morgana has demonstrated, time traveling can be used to gain one relative immortality (Dark Avengers #2-3.)
-Doom said that he transformed himself molecule by molecule so the MoD couldn't recognize him - but considering all of Doom's abilities/tech, I doubt it would be that hard for him to change the molecules of his body.
-Doom said that he killed a Watcher - but no specifics pertaining to how he did so were ever revealed.
-Lastly, Doom blasted the MoD after he had already been wtfpwned by the F4, and was pathetically weak.
He just wasn't overly impressive in retrospect. Imo.
Doom grovelled in front of MoD, whether past self or not, he did so for the first time that I can recall in comicdom. He knew that there was no other way of outfoxing an intellect so vast and so beyond his own - remember, even as the "Adept" he was genuine in his role as pupil to MoD, he learned from MoD, he studied him and was given lessons in all manner of things by MoD.
Such a powerful creature wasn't going to be bested by Doom's wits or tech alone, it required sacrifice and to push himself to develop and expand his physical and mental limits.
That is what the survival in the shark infested waters at the dawn of time show, that he was going through an ordeal to learn and to [i]develop[i]. That in coming up with a plan to bring the MoD low, he would develop within himself, the powers that would assure him of a chance to transcend that distance between himself and his master.
I don't believe that a reality warping being who could move abstracts like pawn pieces, would be deceived by simple molecular engineering nor that time travel would present an advantage to Doom against the ever watchful Marquis...
It's Doom's reactions to MoD that should cement just how much of a credible power he was. Doom's never been that taxed or that humble, not in front of Galactus nor even in front of Beyonder (though Beyonder was more powerful, he was also a great deal more naive and guileless).
For the same reasons, I don't particularly see a need to introduce doubt into the narrative Doom lays forth. It wouldn't change the fact that he set MoD against himself (Wyndham) and that he spent thousands of years in the service of MoD, as pupil and aide.
Originally posted by 753
Not only that, only clyde could weaken his alternate furture self enough for doom to kill him. Strange gets prep too and he is also a monster with it.
Doom's almost as adept in magic as Strange, but far superior in every other realm.
Originally posted by janus77
outside of Thanos, I don't think anyone in MU comes close to Doom in prep.
just see what he did to Wakanda, to MoD, to Beyonder ...Doom's almost as adept in magic as Strange, but far superior in every other realm.
He didnt really do much to MoD, the f4 did. Maybe doom anticipated they'd resort to clyde, but it wasn't his plan or even implemented by him.
Originally posted by janus77Without on panel feats to back up his narrative, it will remain just that: narrative.
I don't particularly see a need to introduce doubt into the narrative Doom lays forth.
Having said that, when this new 'version' of Doom actually preforms universal+ level feats, then I will agree that he should be placed on MoD's level. Until then...
1- Strange
2- Doom
3- Doom stomp
The fact is that Strange is weak (against Doom) because he's only overpowerful in one thing: magic. Strange is a MONSTER when it comes to it, and in an encounter, he would probably massacre Doom (That is why I vote for Strange at 1).
But Doom not only master magic, almost as much as Strange, but he's a master of science too. I'm pretty sure that he would benefit from it with prep. Like, launching a gas attack while casting spells, or something like this.
Originally posted by Galan007
Without on panel feats to back up his narrative, it will remain just that: narrative.Having said that, when this new 'version' of Doom preforms universal+ level feats, then I will agree that he should be placed on MoD's level. Until then...
The whole point is that Doom took MoD down by cunning, willpower, magic, technology and humility, that he grew in power by careful study of and study with the Marquis. The levels of power necessary to beat MoD far outstrip all Strange's resources, imo.