Anakin fell to the dark side way too quickly

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
and... how is that not out of character? 😬 when has a jedi ever directly made a bold faced lie, for the sake of "suiting their purposes"? because hell if obi-wan really wanted to know where anakin went he could have just mind tricked her.

ermm........Darth Vader killed your father?

also, theres just as little evidence pointing to him lying as there is to anakin not killing younglings. youre making one hell of a double standard.

It was a hmmm... suppose... situation. Golly Gee Willickers. My knowledge of what Lucas intended is as crystal clear as yours, I can promise you that. And I am firmly aware that Lucas is indisputable canon. get your panties out of a bunch, and take a moment to consider what an interesting twist that would be.

I'm not assaulting canon, I find this thought interesting, and am trying to discuss it. Stop with the No U. Its actually kind of annoying. I'm not a moron when it comes to what was suggested in the movie.

We're discussing, we're discussing... srsly...

I mean, by discus do u want us to just shut up and say you're right?

I admit tehre is plausiblty in teh premise.

Originally posted by truejedi
[B]ermm........Darth Vader killed your father?

haha, was waiting for you to bring that up.

he didnt lie there.

It was a hmmm... suppose... situation. Golly Gee Willickers. My knowledge of what Lucas intended is as crystal clear as yours, I can promise you that. And I am firmly aware that Lucas is indisputable canon. get your panties out of a bunch, and take a moment to consider what an interesting twist that would be.

I'm not assaulting canon, I find this thought interesting, and am trying to discuss it. Stop with the No U. Its actually kind of annoying. I'm not a moron when it comes to what was suggested in the movie.

i established a logn time ago that i dont give a shit about canon, so, i have no idea what youre talking about.

that aside, youre basically saying that yes you know that your theory isnt really a theory so much as just... making stuff up for fun, which is cool i do that sometimes. you'd probably enjoy posting in here, though. at least there no one will misunderstand your intentions.

Originally posted by MikeMikeTheMike
We're discussing, we're discussing... srsly...

I mean, by discus do u want us to just shut up and say you're right?

I admit tehre is plausiblty in teh premise.

indeed. not really sure what to say in reply to what amounts to basically conjecture >_>

I know I'm in the minority here, but I love the fact that Yoda and Obi-Wan lied to Luke in the OT; it was one of Lucas's unintentionally brilliant moments. For one, it removed the idea that the Jedi are completely and utterly morally infallible (they're not nor should they be) and second, it drove the point home that two of history's greatest Jedi Knights were willing to compromise their personal morals in order to get Luke to do what he needed to. It illustrates how desperate their situation was.

no one cares what you think!

That's why im sure george didn't write them both. The originals is just made so well with so many different elements. while the prequils are soooooo farfetched and like a little kid wrote them.

Darth Vader did not kill Anakin's father. That was a bold-faced lie.

I am just finishing In Shadows and Darkness and so I am right now interested in how fine a line the Jedi were walking in their treatment of Luke. I fell for Sidious's hundreds of pages of corruption of skywalker, even if they didn't. So the idea that Kenobi LIED to get what he wanted from Padme was really cool to me.

okay tj.

truejedi: Darth Vader did not kill Anakin's father. That was a bold-faced lie

lol obviously.... or wait, maybe he did, from the womb.

*twilight zone tehme*

Originally posted by truejedi
Darth Vader did not kill Anakin's father. That was a bold-faced lie.

I am just finishing In Shadows and Darkness and so I am right now interested in how fine a line the Jedi were walking in their treatment of Luke. I fell for Sidious's hundreds of pages of corruption of skywalker, even if they didn't. So the idea that Kenobi LIED to get what he wanted from Padme was really cool to me.

They lied so they could turn Luke into a weapon to throw against Vader and Palpy. How very un-Jedi like! However, desperate times called for desperate measures. Who better to pit against a half-man-cyborg and his old hitler boss than the cyborg's own son?

Ms.Marvel
no one cares what you think!

You cared enough to respond. 😐

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i beet u lyke alwayz

moar spoilerz

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TJ, In Shadows and Darkness was awesome, wasn't it? Luke Skywalker at his most badass. 😄

well he has a point though. If anakin is a huge threat to the galaxy by becoming the evil chosen 1 with all his midichlorins and stuff, there is no greater danger than this. Why not lie to find him? Its virtually the same.

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indeed, wet dream expected for me tonightzzz! Then I awake sobbing that it isn't real! i loved the dialogue between sidious and Luke though. So much better than what was on the death star.

TJ

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indeed, wet dream expected for me tonightzzz! Then I awake sobbing that it isn't real! i loved the dialogue between sidious and Luke though. So much better than what was on the death star.

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Interestingly enough, we see touches of blank's Luke Skywalker in Dark Empire, Inferno, and Invincible. Skywalker was remarkably well written in the trilogy, but Palpatine was in the MVP. Absolutely chilling.

In the trilogy? I still have to read the third one. I don't even want you to tell me, but

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I assume Sids is dead for good?

ah screw it, tell me yes or no on that.

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Yes, he's dead [no clonez here]. But he continues to torment and manipulate Luke from beyond the grave through his legacy.

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That's the ultimate success isn't it? And the Mara/Luke Romance: Just plain hot. I now want to dump every woman in my life and pursue a red head with green eyes. But how do I seriously look a woman in the eye and tell her I'm breaking up with her because she doesn't look enough like the Mara Jade I have in my head?

Lol whos mara jade?

TJ

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That's the ultimate success isn't it? And the Mara/Luke Romance: Just plain hot. I now want to dump every woman in my life and pursue a red head with green eyes. But how do I seriously look a woman in the eye and tell her I'm breaking up with her because she doesn't look enough like the Mara Jade I have in my head?

Oh man,

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What did you think of that scene in In Shadows and Darkness where it looks like Mara Jade was finally about to shift her loyalty to Luke and lie to the Emperor only for Palpatine to sneak the truth out of her? That broke my heart.