GideonThe passage does not specify that the green lightning is ever murderous; it says the "murderous form of lightning" is the dark side weapon.
The phrasing indicates a choice: Jacen had not killed them and the narrative offers an explanation: the lightning's "murderous form" was a dark side weapon. His decision to use the mild form was a moral one, clearly not because he lacked the ability to wield it like Luke did.
This is his use of "the murderous form of lightning":
Traitor
He remembered a long gathering breath: inhaling a galaxy of hatred and rage--And he remembered channeling that whole galaxy of rage down his arms and hurling it at Vergere. He remembered watching her writhe in the electric arcs of his hatred: remembered the sizzle of his own hands burning as lightning burst through them: remembered how that pain had only fed his anger. And he remembered how good it had felt.[...]
He remembered swirling within the red tide, remembered feeling Vergere lose consciousness, remembered reaching for a new target, a new victim, reaching for Nom Anor with the lightning that had felled Vergere...
And being unable to find him. He could see the Yuuzhan Vong executor, could hear him shouting orders to the warriors around them all, but he could not touch him with the lightning. There had been a circuit missing: the lightning would ground harmlessly into the floor or the walls or arc back to make Vergere's unconscious body spasm in convulsions.
The lightning of his rage could only span gaps between poles of the Force... neither Nom Anor nor his warriors could conduct that current.
[...]
He remembered the wild joy of release as the power of the storm had roared into him and through him and became a mad vortex within the underground chamber, lifting stone and brick and chunks of duracrete to whirl and batter and slash the Yuuzhan Vong, pounding the warriors with pieces of the planet that had once been Jacen's home. A shrug of wind had crushed the Yuuzhan Vong into one corner of the chamber, and he remembered bubbling laughter exploding with malice into a shout of victory as he had reached up his hand and brought down the building around them. He rocked back on his ankles, hands going to his face.
I'm not suggesting that Jacen would never be able to kill with the technique, and given that he's only nineteen and this is the first time he's ever used the power, it really isn't even to his detriment.
I'm really not sure what you're getting at, in all seriousness.
[...]the brilliant emerald fire that lanced from his fingertips.The Force lightning threw the first rank of Yuuzhan Vong back into their comrades, and in the confusion Jacen launched another blaze of fire. He hadn't killed them - the murderous form of lightning was a dark side weapon - but they wouldn't be waking for a long time.
In the passage from Destiny's Way that you provided, the "brilliant emerald fire that lanced from his fingertips" is identified as a variant of Force lightning, not an entirely different technique. The author identifies it in the next sentence as such -- "the Force lightning threw the first rank of Yuuzhan Vong back into their comrades."
You're splitting hairs: the author identifies it as a form of Force lightning, not a similar technique nor a related technique, but the same technique.
Gideon
I'm really not sure what you're getting at, in all seriousness.
Gideon
Jacen could have made it lethal.
The two don't have to be completely different techniques for that conclusion to be valid.
Eminence
I assumed the "it" you were referring to was the specific attack I brought up, the "brilliant emerald fire." I believe the narration was distinguishing between the traditional, dark side lightning - hence the description of what he could have killed them with as a "murderous... dark side weapon" - and whatever it is he hit them with in its stead, rather than implying that it's the "emerald fire" that he could have killed them with in a murderous fashion.The two don't have to be completely different techniques for that conclusion to be valid.
I was; the narration clearly refers to the "brilliant emerald fire" as Force lightning; what Jacen uses is the same thing that the Hidden One uses (which was brilliant white lightning) and the same thing that Emperor Palpatine uses (purplish) and the same thing that Count Dooku uses (blue). The color might designate the level of intensity or lethality, but it's the same technique.
That Jacen didn't use the green Force lightning to kill (as Luke did in the Unifying Force) seems to be because of a personal decision to restrain himself. What I was saying was that it's impressive that, at that stage, nothing indicates he lacked the capability to use the technique as it was used in the Unifying Force.
Re: Electric Judgment
SWFan4Life
True that, I think the books/comics/works have only defined TWO instances of Electric Judgment, Plo Koon and Luke. Jacen's use in Destiny's Way wasn't defined as such. Please correct me if there are more instances that were clearly defined.
Nowhere (to my knowledge) is Luke's "green spark" technique ever called Electric Judgment.
Re: Re: Electric Judgment
Originally posted by Gideon
Nowhere (to my knowledge) is Luke's "green spark" technique ever called Electric Judgment.
You beat me to it! I was just confirming my source about Luke in Unifying Force. The book doesn't define it, I thought it had, only Plo Koon.
I think most fans assume so because EL is thought to be the light-side version of Force Lightning. When Jacen used FL in Destiny's Way, he was using it from the dark side, I recall.
Does the Skywalker bloodline get stronger with every generation?
I have heard this mentioned before: that subsequent generations of Skywalkers (or Solos, basically the descendents of Anakins Skywalker) become more and more powerful. This has been conjectured by many with the advent of the Legacy comics, due to Cade Skywalker's healing ability.
Question: Was Jacen Solo's Force potential the same as Luke's, or greater? Can anybody cite any texts in the EU that indicates this phenomenom?
GideonYou are forgiven.
I was; the narration clearly refers to the "brilliant emerald fire" as Force lightning; what Jacen uses is the same thing that the Hidden One uses (which was brilliant white lightning) and the same thing that Emperor Palpatine uses (purplish) and the same thing that Count Dooku uses (blue). The color might designate the level of intensity or lethality, but it's the same technique.That Jacen didn't use the green Force lightning to kill (as Luke did in the Unifying Force) seems to be because of a personal decision to restrain himself. What I was saying was that it's impressive that, at that stage, nothing indicates he lacked the capability to use the technique as it was used in the Unifying Force.
And do not address me as "E" again.
Ever.
Spoiler:
Having to call you "G" would be completely unfair. [As in, "you're a g."] It would imply that you're cool, and there would be no way to avoid it under that particular system of address.
Originally posted by GideonI often wondered if the color and intensity were loosely based on the electromagnetic spectrum but Palpatine's gay lightning is superior to the while lightning and Luke's green lightning is superior to all. Also I was alluding to the fact that the description of jacens lightning was similar to electric judgment.
I was; the narration clearly refers to the "brilliant emerald fire" as Force lightning; what Jacen uses is the same thing that the Hidden One uses (which was brilliant white lightning) and the same thing that Emperor Palpatine uses (purplish) and the same thing that Count Dooku uses (blue). The color might designate the level of intensity or lethality, but it's the same technique.That Jacen didn't use the green Force lightning to kill (as Luke did in the Unifying Force) seems to be because of a personal decision to restrain himself. What I was saying was that it's impressive that, at that stage, nothing indicates he lacked the capability to use the technique as it was used in the Unifying Force.