Originally posted by Board WalkerHe is, when compared against the horde. Against the big name players, he second-tier. He'd lose against the likes of Sidious, Yoda, Mace, and Dooku, and would do well, and may win against the other PT greats like Tinn, Kolar etc. But against Zone Anakin, he's not got a hope. Light Anakin, Ticked Anakin and Vader he'd do quite well against, they lacking the strength, focus, and clarity (respectively) needed to combat Maul's own aggressive discipline and strength.
I thought maul was one of the most skilled saber users?
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
He is, when compared against the horde. Against the big name players, he second-tier. He'd lose against the likes of Sidious, Yoda, Mace, and Dooku, and would do well, and may win against the other PT greats like Tinn, Kolar etc. But against Zone Anakin, he's not got a hope. Light Anakin, Ticked Anakin and Vader he'd do quite well against, they lacking the strength, focus, and clarity (respectively) needed to combat Maul's own aggressive discipline and strength.
Who really is "Zone Anakin." I'm sure Light Anakin would still best Maul after a tough fight.
He's Anakin in the mindset when he beat Dooku in ROTS. He basically made all of Dooku's experience and skill into a farce and beat him literally just by deciding to. He was also able to tap into the darkside safely and completely and was described as getting stronger (and faster?) by the second. Not even Yoda could do that.
Originally posted by Nephthys
He's Anakin in the mindset when he beat Dooku in ROTS. He basically made all of Dooku's experience and skill into a farce and beat him literally just by deciding to. He was also able to tap into the darkside safely and completely and was described as getting stronger (and faster?) by the second. Not even Yoda could do that.
Isn't that the same as Ticked Anakin but lower than Vader? If zone Anakin is that, then he definitely beats Maul.
And Yoda doesn't have tap into the Dark Side to beat Dooku. He could tap into the Dark Side and obliterate Sidious if he wanted to.
Originally posted by MikeMikeTheMike
Nice argument. Care to expand on that?
2. Obi-Wan's form was well suited for this fight. Soresu is meant to extend the fight which he did here untill Vader basicly self destructed.
3. Obi-Wan was Anakin's master. He knew how Anakin fought. A major advantage.
Maul, on the other hand, will not have any of these advantages against Anakin. Ergo I doubt he can beat him.
1. He looks pretty pissed throughout the whole movie... distracted... Did we watch the same separatist slaughter? I saw him violently and hatefully lashing out...
2. Ok obi-wan's form.... didn't maul master alot of forms?
3. Anakin was obi-wan's apprentice, he knew how obi-wan fought. A major advantage.
There is no question Vader is more powerful at this point in the Force. But a lightsaber duel would be interesting. Maul is a beast in his own right and is very technically skilled with a blade.
Lightsaber Duel: Vader 7/10
Force Fight: Vader 8/10
All-Out: Vader 8/10
Those are dominating numbers but I see the fights going a long time.
Originally posted by MikeMikeTheMike
1. He looks pretty pissed throughout the whole movie... distracted... Did we watch the same separatist slaughter? I saw him violently and hatefully lashing out...
2. Ok obi-wan's form.... didn't maul master alot of forms?
3. Anakin was obi-wan's apprentice, he knew how obi-wan fought. A major advantage.
Originally posted by Anakin4EverThere are four mindsets of Anakin in RotS. Light, Ticked, Zone, and Vader. The first three all take place during his fight with Dooku, and Vader of course with Kenobi. I'm not sure which one stormed the temple.
Isn't that the same as Ticked Anakin but lower than Vader? If zone Anakin is that, then he definitely beats Maul.
Originally posted by Red Nemesis😍
Lucien, I've never used an acronym for you. You are too important to abbreviate.
Originally posted by ares834
And he looked pissed and hatefully lashed out when fighting Dooku as well. The thing is he hasn't seemingly gone of the deep end yet. He does this when Kenobi revieals himself, and Vader just seems to unleash all his hatred and rage. His scream of outrage and choking his wife is proof enough for that.
Although Anakin was angry during the Dooku fight, he wasn't reckless. You didn't see him recklessly attacking Dooku. Anakin had a great clarity of mind AND anger while attacking Dooku, which is impressive since the two rarely go together.
No... He mastered Juyo.
First of all it is the job of the Master to teach the apprentice, ergo Obi-Wan should know far more about how Anakin fights then Anakin knowing how Kenobi fights. Second of all we know Anakin was out of control. Anakin could have used this to his advantage but he did not as he fought without thinking.
Juyo requires a knowledge of multiple forms.
Right. Anakin lost to Obi Wan because he wasn't thinking straight.
Vader takes this though since he won't be an emotional wreck this time around.
Ok, I think Vader in two weeks after Mustafar could be as good as Yoda, Windu, or Sidious if he already wasn't. He develops super fast and could be amazing by then. Maul would put up a really good fight though, and heres why. A comic said Obi Wan a few years after Mustafar was a really good fight with him, and eventually won. Vader would be able to beat Obi wan if it wasn't for his mindset and Obi Wan having the highground. He still was kind of dominant through the duel. So basiclly, two weeks later Anakin beats him in two to three minutes.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Two weeks? Pulling numbers out of your ass is easy. Watch:"If Maul had drank at least 20 ml more Redbull before the duel, he would have had the revitalized mind and energy needed to comprehend that his imminent bisection, thus avoiding it."
Cut it out.
that pun...
Let's not forget that Maul manhandled Qui-Gon, who was considered one of the best swordsmen of the order at that time, and who dueled Windu to a standstill.