Originally posted by Starscream M
thor is not superman. Superman is a million times faster. Superman is far more durable to piercing damage.Please do not bring up irrelevant points.
Thor has more than enough super speed to take Logan.
And his comic book average piercing resistance is better than you're giving him credit for.
Originally posted by psycho gundamhow the hell is this a bait thread?
you made another bait thread, and are spewing idiocy in it. *shrugs*can thor has hammer just once?
I made a thread where logan and daken stand a chance. If I gave thor mjolnir, it would be spite.
jeez, you're the one spewing nonsense.
Originally posted by cdtm
Thank you!No one would even think of questioning Superman clearing this. No way Thor's getting taken down here.
And he DOES have non hammer reliant super speed, too.
Superman has legitimate ftl combat feats, a force field and unlike Thor doesn't sometimes get hurt by bullets.
Thor isn't Superman. He isn't a match for his speed or his durability (against piercing damage at least, blunt damage soak he is comparable), he just makes up for it in raw power, versatility and magic.
you're trying to tailor thor's defeat, by adding stips stripping thor of things and giving him two opponents who don't feel the effects of it.
since a few posters are saying thor still wins, you'll fix that next time though. don't get mad
take thor's hammer, powers, and eyesight and have him fight doomsday next time 🙂
Originally posted by srankmissingninIf that was Frank Castle, I would say "Holy shit, they must have upgraded Punisher". Terrible example. 😐
Except it doesn't go against what was portrayed in the comic. There is nothing on panel suggests those where anything more than glancing blows. If you read the comic again and in every panel where Wolverine hits Thor you imagine that it is Frank Castle drawn in place of Thor in the exact same panel layout, does the comic suddenly not work? If that was Frank Castle, would you say: "Oh, boy that should have cut off his head... I guess Punisher is durable enough to take Wolverine's claws"? No, I think you would think "Oh Punisher managed to avoid most of that attack but not entirely all of it" The Wolverine vs Thor fight was the same as virtually every other fight Wolverine has a with a hero, where unless they have a healing factor all he is permitted to land his glancing blows. But... for some reason this is the one instance that is different? Get the f@ck out of here buddy. There is nothing on panel that suggests Wolverine managed to land anything other than a glancing blow.It's a glancing blow, Thor is rolling his head with the momentum of the attack. Wolverine isn't strong enough to hit Thor with enough force to cause Thor's head to recoil.
If Wolverine landed anything other than glancing blows on Thor, he would kill him, or at the very least **** him up. Its the same reason Wolverine doesn't land anything other than glancing blows on DD/Punisher/Cap/Spidy with his claws. If he did, they would be ****ed up, so he can't do it. But Wolverine doesn't have the same force limitations on KMC as he does on panel in hero fights. Does anyone here think Frank Castle can go into melee with Wolverine and not get carved up? Thor's durability didn't stop those claws, his copyright did. He is an intellectual property that Marvel has a vested interest in, just like all their character. Wolverine landing a glancing blow on Thor is no different from him landing a glancing blow on Daredevil. They aren't going to let Wolverine kill Thor, and that is exactly what would happen if Wolverine landed a direct blow on his face.
Also, he was mind-controlled, mind-controlled fighters are never going "all out."
Wolverine isn't strong enough... k. Not that I disagree with this, but let me present you with an example.
Here, Wolverine causes Thor to cry out in pain. He either does this punches, or he does it by stabbing his back. It's not clear, but what is clear, is that if you pick one of these as opposed to ignoring it or using ABC logic, is that you'll be instantly proven wrong on one of these examples. Top left corner incase you want to pretend you don't see it.
http://s673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/?action=view¤t=wolvie_thor5.jpg
Also, by stating that Thor is rolling with it, you're also stating that Thor was able to react to his cheapshot when he was standing straight up.
Wow, comparing Thor to Cap/DD/Spider-Man. AWESOME!
Question, show me when he's landed on these people, and second, show me when he's hit with the force he's hit Thor with. IE, skin tearing, and bleeded.
So, you think Wolverine is limited in comics where he going toe to toe with Thor? Seriously?
Also, copyrights, other fights, etc. It's getting hysterical. Anything but accepting the fight, eh? Wolverine would kill Thor in one hit? 'This of course is based on copyright, and when he cut *random people* up, so naturally he should have killed Thor.' How are you writing this, and not questioning how this makes any sense?
Wolverine wasn't mind controlled. He was seeing people as different people... and therefore causing him to fight harder. He wasn't affected in his skill, speed, or power, so why was he only able to land glancing blows on Thor?
Still ignoring Thor's stated piercing damage.
Still ignoring people pointing out your blatant ABC logic.
Still, etc.
You know Srank, you've surprised me here. And not in a good way. 😬
Also, if you don't respond before this Resurgence package DL's, don't expect a response from me.
The HORROR!
But on the actual topic of this thread.
Thor either Hulks out and beats them one at a time while taking some damage, or he gets worn down by both of them. I don't feel this is a sweep in any direction, which might upset some. It's actually not a bad thread, however the intentions of the threadstarter.
Or he grabs one of each legs and starts slamming them down. lol
Originally posted by BlanketI don't know why people keep saying that
You dislike Thor, and take his hammer away in every thread looking for a way for him to lose.
I like thor...he's a very cool character and I like reading him in comics
now, I am in opposite with KMC in that I think Hulk beats thor and that superman is far superior to thor but that in no way means I dislike thor...rather I dislike the way thor gets upgraded on kmc threads and his weaknesses dismissed (imobility, speed)
I take away his hammer in a thread where he's up against two street levelers to make it a interesting fight. Do you really think it'be fair to give thor Mjolnir in this match? come on now.
Originally posted by Starscream MI understand. I'm the same way with Wolverine, Thor (now), and Hulk. However, I don't go to lengths to make up absolute shit at every turn against these characters.
I don't know why people keep saying thatI like thor...he's a very cool character and I like reading him in comics
now, I am in opposite with KMC in that I think Hulk beats thor and that superman is far superior to thor but that in no way means I dislike thor...rather I dislike the way thor gets upgraded on kmc threads and his weaknesses dismissed (imobility, speed)
I take away his hammer in a thread where he's up against two street levelers to make it a interesting fight. Do you really think it'be fair to give thor Mjolnir in this match? come on now.
You mean the hammer you take away every thread that could be an asset in helping him defend and attack/hit?
Nice, Resurgence Pack DL'ed. God bless high speed internet. Have a good time Brucey.
Thor isn't as slow as a lot of people make him out to be. In MA 34 he caught Quicksilver around the neck while he was running, telling him, 'know your place around a god.' Pretty badass, especially considering Quicksilver can run around the world in a matter of minutes nowadays. Thors combat speed is plenty to match Wolverine and Daken
Originally posted by Blanket
If that was Frank Castle, I would say "Holy shit, they must have upgraded Punisher". Terrible example. 😐
I said only in the panels where Wolverine landed blows, not the panels where Thor exhibits some powers. So, no, I don't think you would say that.
It would be par for the course with Wolverine vs. Punisher fights, and Wolverine vs every hero with out a healing factor for that matter. Wolverine is only permitted to land glancing blows, against enemies where it would be fatal to do otherwise. Thor falls into that category.
Originally posted by Blanket
Except Thor was stated in the comic to have a high piercing resistance. Was 'every other hero without a healing factor' said to have this? Other heroes who I have a sneaking suspicion aren't on Thor's level? Who I have a hunch that you don't want to name names on this ABC logic?
All the heroes on Thor's level who Wolverine has attempted to claw he has clawed. Remember how I listed them? Remember how you didn't like me bring that up? How you didn't think it was relevant? ABC logic and all that jazz?
Thor said he had thick skin. That's it. Yet somehow that translates into Thor shrugging off direct head on hits from Wolverine? There is no indication - on panel or in the narrative - that Wolverine was landing anything other than glancing blows. If he was I guarantee you Wolverine would have mentioned it. I mean, he mentioned Thor's strength, but what? He didn't think it was important to note that he could barely pierce his skin?
This fight is played out exactly the same as virtually every other fight Wolverine has a with a superhero. His attacks are limited by the necessary out come of the fight. He can't kill his opponent, and he can't main or cripple them and when your only weapons are foot long blades that doesn't leave you with a ton of options. So this means Wolverine will barely connect with his enemy and when he does it will be inconsequential damage from glancing blows. Which is precisely what happened here, with no indication otherwise.
Originally posted by Blanket
Wolverine isn't strong enough... k. Not that I disagree with this, but let me present you with an example.
Here, Wolverine causes Thor to cry out in pain. He either does this punches, or he does it by stabbing his back. It's not clear, but what is clear, is that if you pick one of these as opposed to ignoring it or using ABC logic, is that you'll be instantly proven wrong on one of these examples. Top left corner incase you want to pretend you don't see it.
http://s673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/?action=view¤t=wolvie_thor5.jpg
Or he made Thor "cry out in pain" by stretching the open wound on his stomach? 😱
"Arggg" isn't exactly the wailing cries of unmitigated torment and pain.
Originally posted by Blanket
Also, by stating that Thor is rolling with it, you're also stating that Thor was able to react to his cheapshot when he was standing straight up.
Wolverine has faster combat speed that Thor but not vastly significant. Thor is going to be able to avoid someone Wolverine's attacks, and its not as though he avoided it completely.
Originally posted by Blanket
Wow, comparing Thor to Cap/DD/Spider-Man. AWESOME!
Question, show me when he's landed on these people, and second, show me when he's hit with the force he's hit Thor with. IE, skin tearing, and bleeded.
F@cking Punisher man, he took a direct blow to the head! Look how his head is knocked back! Blood and everything! ZOMG! Wolverine can't even cut Punisher, look at all the direct blows he landed! They aint do'n shiiiiit!dur
Seriously... that's your argument by the way.
Originally posted by Blanket
So, you think Wolverine is limited in comics where he going toe to toe with Thor? Seriously?
Of course he is. Wolverine can't kill Thor, and he can't maim Thor. His weapons are two sets of three foot long claws that can cut through anything; it isn't like he has a lot of options here. He can't physically do Thor and harm without his claws, and he is prevented from doing any significant damage with them. You don't see that as a limitation? Seriously?
Originally posted by Blanket
Also, copyrights, other fights, etc. It's getting hysterical. Anything but accepting the fight, eh? Wolverine would kill Thor in one hit? 'This of course is based on copyright, and when he cut *random people* up, so naturally he should have killed Thor.' How are you writing this, and not questioning how this makes any sense?
Copyright? What, do you take offense with my terminology? What is it that you think prevents Wolverine from killing Punisher when they fight each other? It is the fact that Marvel has vested interest in all these characters, and they hope that all their intellectual properties have long prosperous careers full of comics and product placement. What would you call it? I can call it a plot device if that makes it easier for you to sleep.
Yeah other fights. How novel, right? It's almost like I don't think that each comic is an isolated occurrence that takes place inside of a bubble. That a character's history outside that one comic is still somehow relevant to the topic at hand. Crazy!~ What the hell am I thinking!
Once again: There is no indication on panel that Wolverine landed anything more than gracing shots on Thor. The panel orientation clearly shows Thor's head rolling with the momentum of Wolverine's attacking, allowing him to avoid the brunt of the damage. Wolverine's history of clawing people with similar and in some cases greater, durability also supports this stance. What supports your stance? Thor's narrative purporting that he has thick skin? Anything else? I didn't think so.
