Thor (without Mjolnir) vs Wolverine and Daken in pure Melee Combat

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Oh dear, you are getting all worked up now. Did you miss your after noon nap? What do you say big guy, maybe you should take a break? Ask your mom for a snack and maybe she will pop in a Spong Bob Squarepants dvd for you.

Thor's flight speed has no coloration to his combat speed. Nothing you said is of even remote relevance. Thor can fly at FTL speeds, but there has [b]never been any indication that he can fight at these speeds. That is why we have the separate classifications of A) Flight Speed and B) Combat Speed. They are mutually exclusive properties. Thor has never demonstrated the ability to fight at comparable speeds to which he flies. The obvious notion that logically one would require FTL reflexes to navigate to those speeds is inconsequential. By that same token Storm has reflexes several times the speed of sound, she doesn't either. Don't concern yourself with logicality of the matter, just know that it is how it is. Thor's combat speed is not greater than Wolverines. [/B]

You must be willfully ignorant because you can NOT be a functioning human being and be this ****ing stupid. I refuse to believe it. Even Glen Beck isnt this ****ing stupid.

Do you know what reflexes are? Do you own a ****ing dictionary. Do you have even the slighted idea what you are talking about.

Let me break it down for you and the rest of the single celled organisms in the thread.

1. Thors flys at Ftl Speeds
2. In order to do so he must perceive his environment at ftl speeds or else he would constantly be crashing into shit or otherwise get lost / disorientated
3. This Fact is supported by instances where thor fights 100% confirmed ftl people.
4. Wolverine is not Faster than light
5. Wolverine is not light speed
6. Wolverine is not relativistic.
7. Wolverine Can not consistently break the sound barrier outside of a spare few reaction feats

This is where you come in.

8. You claim that Wolverine will rape thor despite the fact that Thor's reaction speed outclasses wolverines reaction and movement speed to the extent that Wolverine would literally be standing still in a fight from thor's point of view ( Dont make me ****ing calculate some shit damn it I will and I will embarrass you).

9. This brings me to the irrefutable conclusion you are an ass monkey.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
You must be willfully ignorant because you can NOT be a functioning human being and be this ****ing stupid. I refuse to believe it. Even Glen Beck isnt this ****ing stupid.

Do you know what reflexes are? Do you own a ****ing dictionary. Do you have even the slighted idea what you are talking about.

Let me break it down for you and the rest of the single celled organisms in the thread.

1. Thors flys at Ftl Speeds
2. In order to do so he must perceive his environment at ftl speeds or else he would constantly be crashing into shit or otherwise get lost / disorientated
3. This Fact is supported by instances where thor fights 100% confirmed ftl people.
4. Wolverine is not Faster than light
5. Wolverine is not light speed
6. Wolverine is not relativistic.
7. Wolverine Can not consistently break the sound barrier outside of a spare few reaction feats

This is where you come in.

8. You claim that Wolverine will rape thor despite the fact that Thor's reaction speed outclasses wolverines reaction and movement speed to the extent that Wolverine would literally be standing still in a fight from thor's point of view ( Dont make me ****ing calculate some shit damn it I will and I will embarrass you).

9. This brings me to the irrefutable conclusion you are an ass monkey.

Outside of a clearly illustrated picture book I'm not sure how I can help you understand this concept. Against my best judgment I'm going to give this another shot, so perk up your ears you mongoloid and try your best to fallow along.

Thor's flight speed doesn't have any correlation with his combat speed. Nothing you are saying matters. We've seen on panel - time and time and time and time again - that in terms of combat speed Thor is not faster than Hercules. That he is not faster than the Hulk. That is not faster than Namor. Telling me that Thor can navigate at FLT speed doesn't mater. I know he can but it is completely irrelevant, the two things have been shown to have no connection to each other in the comics. His flight speed isn't his combat speed.

Blunt force damage soak != piercing durability

Flight speed != combat speed

Have you never read a comic? How is this news to you? Do you just spend all your time looking at the pretty pictures on the page? Maybe give reading them a try... if that isn't too much to ask.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Outside of a clearly illustrated picture book I'm not sure how I can help you understand this concept. Against my best judgment I'm going to give this another shot, so perk up your ears you mongoloid and try your best to fallow along.

Thor's flight speed doesn't have any correlation with his combat speed. Nothing you are saying matters. We've seen on panel - time and time and time and time again - that in terms of combat speed Thor is not faster than Hercules. That he is not faster than the Hulk. That is not faster than Namor. Telling me that Thor can navigate at FLT speed doesn't mater. I know he can but it is completely irrelevant, the two things have been shown to have no connection to each other in the comics. His flight speed isn't his combat speed.

Blunt force damage soak != piercing durability

Flight speed != combat speed

Have you never read a comic? How is this news to you? Do you just spend all your time looking at the pretty pictures on the page? Maybe give reading them a try... if that isn't too much to ask.

That is it. You are trolling. You had me going but it is apparent now.

Im gonna go get a mod

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
That is it. You are trolling. You had me going but it is apparent now.

Im gonna go get a mod

Listen 'champ I'm trying to help you catch up and get to the same page everyone else on KMC is on. Thor isn't Superman. He hasn't demonstrated combat speed in line with his flight speed. They are two completely different, mutually exclusive concepts. Should his flight speed have some baring on his combat speed? Sure, and people shouldn't be able to talk or see when moving faster than the speed of light, Invisible Woman should be blind when she goes invisible and being able to shrug off punches from a planet buster should mean that bullets don't hurt in the slightest... but these are comics and thats not how things are portrayed. Thor's combat speed isn't the same as his flight speed no mater how much we wish for it to be.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Listen 'champ I'm trying to help you catch up and get to the same page everyone else on KMC is on. Thor isn't Superman. He hasn't demonstrated combat speed in line with his flight speed. They are two completely different, mutually exclusive concepts. Should his flight speed have some baring on his combat speed? Sure, and people shouldn't be able to talk or see when moving faster than the speed of light, Invisible Woman should be blind when she goes invisible and being able to shrug off punches from a planet buster should mean that bullets don't hurt in the slightest... but these are comics and thats not how things are portrayed. Thor's combat speed isn't the same as his flight speed no mater how much we wish for it to be.

There is a whole respect thread of Thor's many feats including combat speed there are plenty of examples in theere however you choose to ignore them Throught this whole debate your whole debating skills see to be in regqards to here is Wolverine is better then Thor and Thor feats against Wolverine b/c of PIS

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Originally posted by DarkOdin
There is a whole respect thread of Thor's many feats including combat speed there are plenty of examples in theere however you choose to ignore them Throught this whole debate your whole debating skills see to be in regqards to here is Wolverine is better then Thor and Thor feats against Wolverine b/c of PIS

I'm not ignoring anything. I've seen them all, there has even been a scan war on this very subject mater before between ODG and myself. Thor's speed feats outside of flight speed and a hammer twirling are on the whole inferior to Wolverines.

As though a poster named DarkOdin, with Thor/Odin/Bor (or is that Heimdall, hard to tell) in his signature is going question someone else's ability to be objective on this subject mater? 🙄

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No they don't. Outside of flight speed and hammer twirling Wolverine's speed feats are superior.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No you are you just don't realize it for some reason.

Is that PIS or does Wolverine have no spine now? Because that is your argument on the Phantom Bone theory. Your argument is that Wolverine has no spine.

I understand that Braithwaite's art doesn't make that clear, but then again, in another instance of his art, he had Daken apparently stab Wolverine's heart right through his sternum if you were really exacting with your artistic interpretation. However, you don't have to dismiss that either as you can just say, "Well, it was actually meant to go underneath his sternum." Awkward art, yes. Non-existent occurrence, such that Wolverine never actually got stabbed in the heart by Daken's claw, no:

I've seen artists accidentally give people two right hands. That doesn't mean they actually had two right hands, or that the comic never happened because a panel had them drawn with two right hands... it was just awkward art. You've probably seen Liefield art where a woman's legs are twice as long as the rest of their entire body, doesn't mean that they actually had legs twice as long as the rest of their entire body. Stop forcing this argument. You've read more than enough comics to know this.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It has nothing to do with the speed or skill of Thor, it has to do with Wolverine needing to job to heroes without a healing factor who would die if he was able to preform at his optimal levels.

COME. ON. over

Thor ftw still. He uses shockwaves and to keep them off balance long enough for the toss into space.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No. They're not. We've danced this dance before. Can do it again right here.

Yes. They are. Oh I remember. It went like this You: That's ambiguous! Me: Thor is flying in that example. Repeated for an infinity.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Do you want an explanation instead of conveniently acting like that didn't just happen? It impaled him and the spine was pushed to the side. You can actually see in the top panel that his right flank (Wolverine's right) is sort of distended further to the right. Wolverine's spine can flex obviously. If you think just a little bit, it is unnecessary to dismiss what actually happened on-panel there. Awkward art aside.

I understand that Braithwaite's art doesn't make that clear, but then again, in another instance of his art, he had Daken apparently stab Wolverine's heart right through his sternum if you were really exacting. However, you don't have to dismiss that either as you can just say, well, it was actually meant to go underneath his sternum. Awkward art, yes. Non-existent occurrence, no. I've seen artists accidentally give people two right hands. That doesn't mean they actually had two right hands, or that the comic never happened because a panel had them drawn with two right hands... it was just awkward art.

Don't be absurd. There is no indication that his spinal cord has been pushed off to one side. That trunk is almost a foot in diameter, there isn't enough flexibility in the spine to allow for that range movement, especially when the hips and pelvis are still in the default position, and nothing in the art suggests that the artist was trying to make that implication. Not the mention the position he landed in would make that an impossibility even if we pretend it was physically possible in the first place. It is direct through the center of stomach, that wouldn't have pushed his spin of to the side. What shout have happened is that Wolverine's spine should have busted the trunk down the center as it entered his back, scissoring the trunk and sending two protrusions out the stomach. But that isn't what happened on panel. What happened is it went straight through the center of his back and out of the center of his stomach. So I guess Wolverine has no spine now? I know how you love to remove pieces of anatomy with no on panel evidence. Who says he even has a spine anyway? Anatomy? I know how much you hate that! See you in hell Wolverine's spine! Phantom Bone theory Part 2!!!!!!!!!!

Anyway, I love how you recognize the need to come up with an explanation to rationalize the absurdity of this example, but not in the case of bullets penetrating the skull. You just say "Oh well it happened - who cares if it is a direct contradiction to everything else!" Your argument on the Phantom Bone theory is exact equivalent of someone arguing Wolverine doesn't doesn't have a spine because of the example of the tree going through his stomach. That isn't even the only example of large objects puncturing Wolverine directly through the abdomen... it isn't even the only example of a tree doing it. But they are all impossible and they are all PIS. Your explanation for how it might have happened is the same as what other people have been providing you on the Phantom Bone theory for close to a year. You are ridiculous.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
What delusional-pixiedust-candyland-Bizarro-world, fantasy do you live in where the worry isn't that Thor will job to Wolverine.... but the worry is that Wolverine will job to Thor?

The real one? Wolverine fights someone with healing factor they get torn to shreds. Someone who isn't a bankable property? They get torn to shreds too. He cuts of limbs. He stabs people in the head. He blinds people. He punctures organs. He doesn't somehow lose the ability to do this when he fights heroes, he just doesn't. It doesn't happen to characters who can't survive it, precisely for the reason that they can't survive it. That is jobbing. Now, obviously Thor has a large array of powers he didn't use against Wolverine in that fight - but that is largely irrelevant to the topic at hand. No one thinks Thor with his hammer and access to all his abilities would lose to Wolverine.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Yes. They are. Oh I remember. It went like this You: That's ambiguous! Me: Thor is flying in that example. Repeated for an infinity.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Don't be absurd. There is no indication that his spinal cord has been pushed off to one side. That trunk is almost a foot in diameter, there isn't enough flexibility in the spine to allow for that range movement, especially when the hips and pelvis are still in the default position, and nothing in the art suggests that the artist was trying to make that implication. Not the mention the position he landed in would make that an impossibility even if we pretend it was physically possible in the first place. It is direct through the center of stomach, that wouldn't have pushed his spin of to the side. What shout have happened is that Wolverine's spine should have busted the trunk down the center as it entered his back, scissoring the trunk and sending two protrusions out the stomach. But that isn't what happened on panel.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Anyway, I love how you recognize the need to come up with an explanation to rationalize the absurdity of this example, but not in the case of bullets penetrating the skull. You just say "Oh well it happened - who cares if it is a direct contradiction to everything else!" Your argument on the Phantom Bone theory is exact equivalent of someone arguing Wolverine doesn't doesn't have a spine because of the example of the tree going through his stomach. That isn't even the only example of large objects puncturing Wolverine directly through the abdomen... it isn't even the only example of a tree doing it. But they are all impossible and they are all PIS. Your explanation for how it [b]might have happened is the same as what other people have been providing you on the Phantom Bone theory for close to a year. You are ridiculous.[/b]

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The real one? Wolverine fights someone with healing factor they get torn to shreds. Someone who isn't a bankable property? They get torn to shreds too. He cuts of limbs. He stabs people in the head. He blinds people. He punctures organs. He doesn't somehow lose the ability to do this when he fights heroes, he just doesn't. It doesn't happen to characters who can't survive it, precisely for the reason that they can't survive it. That is jobbing. Now, obviously Thor has a large array of powers he didn't use against Wolverine in that fight - but that is largely irrelevant to the topic at hand. No one thinks Thor with his hammer and access to all his abilities would lose to Wolverine.

facepalm at the past few pages.

You guys do understand that these are comics, right?

Closed until people cool off and understand trolling and bashing are against the rules.

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