Originally posted by PlacidityI'm aware. I doubt he could.
He never attempted to.
Originally posted by marwash22Your saying if he came into contact with Adamantium he'd be composed of it? Where was this stated/shown?
T-1000 is able to take on the characteristics of other materials which effectively makes it as strong as whatever material he turns into.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
I'm aware. I doubt he could.Your saying if he came into contact with Adamantium he'd be composed of it? Where was this stated/shown?
the scene in the nut house where he transforms into the floor. He doesn't just change his shape, he turns into whatever that substance the floor is (lenolium?). If this weren't the case, the guy who walked over it, would have felt metal under his feet.
There's also the fact that he can willingly turn himself into any material that he has cataloged in his cpu. e.g. sunglasses, clothing, leather shoes, hair, etc.
there's also scene after he gets frozen where he touches a railing and his hand turns into that substance, it also happens to his leg. Now, I'm pretty sure that was a malfunction 'cause it didn't seem like he did it on purpose, but it further suggests he can do it.
So yeah, i would suspect that if he were to come into contact with adamantium or vibranium or any other fictional material, he would catalog it and be able to turn into it.
Originally posted by marwash22
the scene in the nut house where he transforms into the floor. He doesn't just change his shape, he turns into whatever that substance the floor is (lenolium?). If this weren't the case, the guy who walked over it, would have felt metal under his feet.There's also the fact that he can willingly turn himself into any material that he has cataloged in his cpu. e.g. sunglasses, clothing, leather shoes, hair, etc.
there's also scene after he gets frozen where he touches a railing and his hand turns into that substance, it also happens to his leg. Now, I'm pretty sure that was a malfunction 'cause it didn't seem like he did it on purpose, but it further suggests he can do it.
So yeah, i would suspect that if he were to come into contact with adamantium or vibranium or any other fictional material, he would catalog it and be able to turn into it.
Oh wow, never noticed that.
Thing is Adamantium is an alien substance, so I don't know if he would know how to turn into it.
As long as Starks armor stays functional without experiencing any technical failures with his repulsor beam then there is no way the T-1000 can win. T-1000 will run out ammunition before any of his low threat weapons will deal any type of damage. This is also assuming that the T-1000 will even be able to hit Iron Man with any of his small arms weapons. He may not be able to fly but Iron man can still hover and move at blinding speeds.
The T-1000 has nothing at all in his arsenal that would be of any threat to, Starks Armor. T-1000 really needs to be given some kind of weapon that could harm, Iron Man. Otherwise, this is just a waiting match until, Iron Man completely obliterates the T-1000 with his repulsor beams. The T-1000's blades would do absolutely nothing to Iron Mans armor. If the T-1000 is unable to pierce the T-800's exoskeleton there is no reason to even consider that he would be capable to tarnish Iron Mans armor. As long as Starks arc reactor stays functional this is just a waiting game until he wins.
Originally posted by marwash22
the scene in the nut house where he transforms into the floor. He doesn't just change his shape, he turns into whatever that substance the floor is (lenolium?). If this weren't the case, the guy who walked over it, would have felt metal under his feet.There's also the fact that he can willingly turn himself into any material that he has cataloged in his cpu. e.g. sunglasses, clothing, leather shoes, hair, etc.
there's also scene after he gets frozen where he touches a railing and his hand turns into that substance, it also happens to his leg. Now, I'm pretty sure that was a malfunction 'cause it didn't seem like he did it on purpose, but it further suggests he can do it.
So yeah, i would suspect that if he were to come into contact with adamantium or vibranium or any other fictional material, he would catalog it and be able to turn into it.
I see what you're trying to say man, but i don't think there was anything in the movies or expanded universe that come close to even suggesting that the T-1000 is capable of physically mimicking complex compounds.
The T-1000 is made of mimetic polly alloy. Other than being able to mold this substance (mimetic polly alloy) into physical shapes and sharp weapons. He is not able to change his physical make up at will. If he were, say, to change himself into steel or adamantium, he would no longer be made of the substance that gives him the ability to shape shift in the first place.
Look, i don't know what Linoleum is made of, but since it's not a natural occurring element, i would have to assume that it's a compound. When it turns into the floor,it didn't just change it's shape, it became linoleum. The scene after it is frozen and something goes wrong with it's software, he touches a railing and becomes whatever that material was, the same thing happens again to his leg as he is walking. Again, i could be wrong about it and you're welcome to disprove what i have written.
It's also completely possible that I'm overselling or even misinterpreting what happens when the T1000 shape shifts. But until you provide logical explanation for the above stated occurrences, I'll have to keep believing what i claim, is the truth.
Anyhow, turning into whatever Stark's suit is made of was a secondary tactic anyway. As stated before, the T1000 doesn't need weapons to win this fight. You bring up the repulsor beams... what is that gonna accomplish? Those blasts will in no way do lasting damage to the T1000 seeing as there is no limit to how many times it can reassemble itself. Meanwhile, Tony will eventually run low on power and the "zipping around", as you say, will come to an end. When Tony is forced on the ground, the T1000 can simply get close and poke his finger in the suits eye socket... or liquefy completely and kill Stark from inside of his own suit.
I'll say it again, Stark is screwed unless he finds something hot enough to destroy the T1000's ability to reform.
Originally posted by marwash22Agreed.
When Tony is forced on the ground, the T1000 can simply get close and poke his finger in the suits eye socket... or liquefy completely and kill Stark from inside of his own suit.
Originally posted by marwash22Uni-beam? Perhaps, even the one-shot lasers?
I'll say it again, Stark is screwed unless he finds something hot enough to destroy the T1000's ability to reform.
What needs to be remembered is that the time from the T1000 turns from solid into Liquefied form takes time it isn't instant, T1000 will have to run up to Iron Man, somehow dodging the advanced tracking device Iron Man has installed, he will then have to somehow knock down Stark long enough in order to gain himself enough time to liquefy himself and then get into the armor, the thing is from my perspective that the moment he begins to liquefy Iron Man is already gone.
Imo we are forgetting the most important aspect about the T1000, and again this is my opinion, that the T1000 isn't a battlerobot but built to assasin the target, knives, blades disguises are all there to make it a silent assasin. Not saying that is can't fight for it certainly can, but it's simply not designed to combat a Armored Suit that can in it's first form take a explosive shell from a tank plummet towards the ground get up and with a small delayed rocket blow the same tank to dust.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
Uni-beam? Perhaps, even the one-shot lasers?
Originally posted by UtrigitaHave you seen T2? It most certainly does happen in an instant. The only thing that delays the T1000's reconstitution is extreme temperatures... something Stark does not possess.
What needs to be remembered is that the time from the T1000 turns from solid into Liquefied form takes time it isn't instant, T1000 will have to run up to Iron Man, somehow dodging the advanced tracking device Iron Man has installed, he will then have to somehow knock down Stark long enough in order to gain himself enough time to liquefy himself and then get into the armor, the thing is from my perspective that the moment he begins to liquefy Iron Man is already gone.
Also, you're ducking the main point. Iron Man has a limited supply of power, all this dodging and firing of lasers you say will occur will burn him out and like i said, the T1000 will just continue to reconstitute itself. Stark Has nothing that will keep it down; eventually this becomes a ground game and it's over him.
Originally posted by Utrigitawtf? You're completely mistaking his mission objective for his design purpose. All terminators are designed to kill and do battle. The T1000 in the T2 was specifically ordered to kill John Connor... PIS is the only reason it didn't completely destroy the T800 upon first contact. It's purpose was to find and eliminate John, this is why it used stealth tactics, don't confuse that with it not having the ability to be effective in combat.
Imo we are forgetting the most important aspect about the T1000, and again this is my opinion, that the T1000 isn't a battlerobot but built to assasin the target, knives, blades disguises are all there to make it a silent assasin. Not saying that is can't fight for it certainly can, but it's simply not designed to combat a Armored Suit that can in it's first form take a explosive shell from a tank plummet towards the ground get up and with a small delayed rocket blow the same tank to dust.
You're still ducking the point; what happens when Stark runs out of power?
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
As long as Starks armor stays functional without experiencing any technical failures with his repulsor beam then there is no way the T-1000 can win. T-1000 will run out ammunition before any of his low threat weapons will deal any type of damage. This is also assuming that the T-1000 will even be able to hit Iron Man with any of his small arms weapons. He may not be able to fly but Iron man can still hover and move at blinding speeds.The T-1000 has nothing at all in his arsenal that would be of any threat to, Starks Armor. T-1000 really needs to be given some kind of weapon that could harm, Iron Man. Otherwise, this is just a waiting match until, Iron Man completely obliterates the T-1000 with his repulsor beams. The T-1000's blades would do absolutely nothing to Iron Mans armor. If the T-1000 is unable to pierce the T-800's exoskeleton there is no reason to even consider that he would be capable to tarnish Iron Mans armor. As long as Starks arc reactor stays functional this is just a waiting game until he wins.
Originally posted by Utrigita
What needs to be remembered is that the time from the T1000 turns from solid into Liquefied form takes time it isn't instant, T1000 will have to run up to Iron Man, somehow dodging the advanced tracking device Iron Man has installed, he will then have to somehow knock down Stark long enough in order to gain himself enough time to liquefy himself and then get into the armor, the thing is from my perspective that the moment he begins to liquefy Iron Man is already gone.Imo we are forgetting the most important aspect about the T1000, and again this is my opinion, that the T1000 isn't a battlerobot but built to assasin the target, knives, blades disguises are all there to make it a silent assasin. Not saying that is can't fight for it certainly can, but it's simply not designed to combat a Armored Suit that can in it's first form take a explosive shell from a tank plummet towards the ground get up and with a small delayed rocket blow the same tank to dust.
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Originally posted by marwash22
Have you seen T2? It most certainly does happen in an instant. The only thing that delays the T1000's reconstitution is extreme temperatures... something Stark does not possess.Also, you're ducking the main point. Iron Man has a limited supply of power, all this dodging and firing of lasers you say will occur will burn him out and like i said, the T1000 will just continue to reconstitute itself. Stark Has nothing that will keep it down; eventually this becomes a ground game and it's over him.
wtf? You're completely mistaking his [b]mission objective
for his design purpose. All terminators are designed to kill and do battle. The T1000 in the T2 was specifically ordered to kill John Connor... PIS is the only reason it didn't completely destroy the T800 upon first contact. It's purpose was to find and eliminate John, this is why it used stealth tactics, don't confuse that with it not having the ability to be effective in combat.You're still ducking the point; what happens when Stark runs out of power? [/B]
Yes I have seen T2 and I noticed that 1. It toke time for the T1000 to transform from one form to another (the floor scene that you mentioned yourself is such a example. 2. The T1000 never on screen showed that it was capable of attacking in it's liqued form, it'll have to reassume it's form inside Starks Armor something it haven't shown capable of doing either.
Stark running out of power from the arc reactor? The same arc reactor that was more or less have been calculated to produce the same energy output as a Nuclear powerplant, the same reactor that haven't shown a need to recharge itself (atleast not to my knowledge) so I doubt it will be running out of energy any time soon, the first arc reactor ran out of energy true, but the second Arc Reactor was powering first Stark Armor then the Iron Monger without having received a single recharge.
I'm not mistaking the T1000 for not being efficiant in combat I'm simply concluding how efficiant it's granted weapons and equipment (which is given to the T1000 with another target(s) in mind then a highly advanced armored suit capable of withstanding extreme punishment) will be in the current situation and I conclude not alot. Concerning the T1000 ability to fight as a battle droid in comparison to the T800 I'll however draw you attention towards how many T1000 you saw in Terminator Salvation? I saw noone, if they are more efficiant in the given role then the T800 why haven't the T800 been salvaged? Probably because as mentioned before that the T1000 excels within a certain parameter which is assasination, and beyond that it's fighting capacity isn't to such a significant degree above the T800 to actually validate the T800 being scrabed. I know the T800 got manhandled by the T1000, but never the less...
I highly doubt that Iron Man will run out of power before he manages to destroy the T1000 or atleast knock it out long enough for him to be declared winner. The small missile he used to blow up the tank alone will shatter the T1000 around pretty good, and Iron Man isn't a idiot, when he sees that the T1000 is regenerating from his Repulsive blast (if it can) then either JARVIS or himself will conclude that brute force isn't the direct approach, and then take the meassures required to disable the T1000 (which JARVIS will probably find out is made of liqued metal in a matter of seconds if Starks doesn't do so on his own hand)
Also if you cared to look in the context you would have seen that I wasn't dodging anything concerning the power supply because I wasn't quoting anyone merely bringing to the debators attention something that from my perspective had been forgotten, you however have dodged how exactly will T1000 get close enough to Iron Man to harm him? The weapons granted to the T1000 by the threadstarter from my perspective isn't enough to get Iron Man down the granade launcher will blow him back yes, but comparing a granade launcher to the explosive force from a tank shell is like comparing throwing beans to firing a gun.
I'm not gonna keep parroting myself.
Clearly you're correct and throughout history, Stark's suit has never run out of power, it's never happened! Stark never runs out of power, ever, so yeah, you are correct... Iron Man stomps.... 'cause the suit never drains... ever! Not once in the history of the character has the suit been taxed, not even once. It's power is limitless, it can fire lasers and fly around at blinding speeds without any regard to power output, you have won.
/thread.
Originally posted by marwash22
I'm not gonna keep parroting myself.Clearly you're correct and throughout history, Stark's suit has never run out of power, it's never happened! Stark never runs out of power, ever, so yeah, you are correct... Iron Man stomps.... 'cause the suit never drains... ever! Not once in the history of the character has the suit been taxed, not even once. It's power is limitless, it can fire lasers and fly around at blinding speeds without any regard to power output, you have won.
/thread.
You know what, maybe try and with a movie show exactly in what incident Starks second Arc Reactors energy was taxed and why you think the same would be the case against the T1000 instead of this surprisingly inmature response, or is the fact that you have no incident you can pull out that shows Starks second Arc Reactor to be taxed or drained the real reason?
As for what have happen to Iron Man as a character throughout his entire history I really couldn't care less since it's his showings in the movie that matters, so even though Doom have shut it down a few times and it have been drained by the Silver Surfer and etc. it's not a argument in the Movie VS forum, it's grasping for straws that isn't even there, hence why the EMP isn't being used as a plausible tactic for Iron Man, along with Iron Man utilizing the Starks Satellits or some other feat that is ascribed to comic Iron Man.
But nvm...
Originally posted by marwash22
Look, i don't know what Linoleum is made of, but since it's not a natural occurring element, i would have to assume that it's a compound. When it turns into the floor,it didn't just change it's shape, it became linoleum. The scene after it is frozen and something goes wrong with it's software, he touches a railing and becomes whatever that material was, the same thing happens again to his leg as he is walking. Again, i could be wrong about it and you're welcome to disprove what i have written.It's also completely possible that I'm overselling or even misinterpreting what happens when the T1000 shape shifts. But until you provide logical explanation for the above stated occurrences, I'll have to keep believing what i claim, is the truth.
Anyhow, turning into whatever Stark's suit is made of was a secondary tactic anyway. As stated before, the T1000 doesn't need weapons to win this fight. You bring up the repulsor beams... what is that gonna accomplish? Those blasts will in no way do lasting damage to the T1000 seeing as there is no limit to how many times it can reassemble itself. Meanwhile, Tony will eventually run low on power and the "zipping around", as you say, will come to an end. When Tony is forced on the ground, the T1000 can simply get close and poke his finger in the suits eye socket... or liquefy completely and kill Stark from inside of his own suit.
I'll say it again, Stark is screwed unless he finds something hot enough to destroy the T1000's ability to reform.
T-1000 is liquid metal that is capable of changing shape NOT molecular structure. The T-1000 is NOT the absorbing man. You simply misinterpreted (the very simply explained) villain. The T-1000 did NOT become Linoleum and for you think that he did is rather...,ludicrous.
Do you know what a repulsor beam is? Do you know anything about Iron man and the Terminator universe or are you just making stuff as you go? A grenade launcher was able to spilt the T-1000 apart. Iron man shreds tanks with just two tiny rockets.
The T-1000 cannot simply get close and poke a finer through the eye socket because Iron Man wears a HELMET.
As for completely liquefying and killing stark from inside out...,you can't just make shit up. That comment is like me saying...,Iron Man can just turn his force fields on and electrify the T-1000 to the point of such extreme heat that he evaporates into thin air.
Seriously, what makes you think that the T-1000 is so strong? Give me one physical piece of evidence that comes close to suggesting that the T-1000 would be capable of penetrating, Iron Mans armor. I'll wait, but it will be a long wait because it can't happen. In fact, i'll prove you wrong. The T-1000 was incapable of piercing the T-800's exoskeleton, yet a simple metal spear was able to do the job. That doesn't say to much for the, T-1000's capabilities 😉 If the T-1000 is able to liquefy himself and move in liquid form why didn't he simply liquefy himself and kill Ahnold or John Conner from the inside out. I'll tell you why, because HE CAN'T. 😬
Iron Man could solo skynet. Anyone with any kind of knowledge of these two franchises is aware of this. Skynet is stupid. Deep Blue, the computer that beat Kasperov at chess could out wit, Skynet.
Originally posted by UtrigitaHow many many T-1000 did I see in Salvation? None, because it hadn't been invented yet. The T-800 has some advantages but the T-1000 is clearly a superior Terminator. That would mean on the battlefield as well. Read the T3 novel; there are T-1000's on the battlefield at much later point in the future.
Concerning the T1000 ability to fight as a battle droid in comparison to the T800 I'll however draw you attention towards how many T1000 you saw in Terminator Salvation? I saw noone, if they are more efficiant in the given role then the T800 why haven't the T800 been salvaged?
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx🙄
Iron Man could solo skynet.
Iron Man would get curbstomped if he faced all of SkyNet's forces. I already debated this in the Sci-Fi forum; that all of the movie Transformers, Autobots and Decepticons, would lose hard. SkyNet has millions of T-800's, hundreds of thousands T-1000's, and thousands of T-X's by the time of 2032. It'd be no different than the 300 Spartans against the Persians. Except there's only one Iron Man and more than a million different Terminator models.
We've already stated that one T-1000 if in contact with Stark will likely result in his death. Imagin 5-10 jumping on his armor. That doesn't mention all of the obsolete models or the Hunter Killer tank and aerial units.