Originally posted by iceman24567fully geared bats, bats.
I see what you mean but Batmans not only a martial arts egghead he fights EVERY night to hone his skills his execution isnt slacking and his parrying/countering is what hes known for how do you think he stomps a shithole in Bane? who is a highly skilled martial artists in his own right but he also is physically superior
h2h against current Bane he get's broken again imo without dues ex machina.
Originally posted by jinzinUh I hear the same argument when Shang Chi is in a thread threw skill hes able to chi amp blah blah. Strictly h2h I mean I dont care if shes gained all these exotic abilities threw skill. Im saying his martial arts ability is above hers even if its just by a hair
Okay... question...
Why are we assuming Elektra's not as skilled? 😕Given the fact that she's done more impressive feats in h2h than a number of her "peers" under worse circumstances AND can use her skill to memic or produce TK, TP, and a number of other tactics like the silent scream, wouldn't that lend credability to her being more skilled? 😕
When has she appeared to be lacking in skill? 😐
Originally posted by iceman24567
Uh I hear the same argument when Shang Chi is in a thread threw skill hes able to chi amp blah blah. Strictly h2h I mean I dont care if shes gained all these exotic abilities threw skill. Im saying his martial arts ability is above hers even if its just by a hair
I agree.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Pretty good. Batman stalemated Karate Kid in air combat for the first time.
Air combat? I know of several Batamn vs. KK fights and all of them were circumstantial or inclusive of context that makes them nowhere near as impressive as it sounds at face value.
Originally posted by iceman24567
Uh I hear the same argument when Shang Chi is in a thread threw skill hes able to chi amp blah blah. Strictly h2h I mean I dont care if shes gained all these exotic abilities threw skill. Im saying his martial arts ability is above hers even if its just by a hair
And I'm asking what makes you think that?
Originally posted by King CastleYou think Bane durabilty and insane strength is enough to beat Batman atleast 6/10? Gotta dissagree Batman hits hard enough to put Bane down hes also faster he would beat Bane in strictly h2h without his suit
fully geared bats, bats.h2h against current Bane he get's broken again imo without dues ex machina.
Originally posted by King Castle
dont forget to put it all in context, pls. i dont like when ppl misrepresent things
Then something happened and Bats got away. KK looked to be getting better hits to me, though the art didn't always make it clear what was a hit and what wasn't (some are clear, but sometimes there's just a few lines near what could either be a wiff or hit).
Originally posted by jinzin
Air combat? I know of several Batamn vs. KK fights and all of them were circumstantial or inclusive of context that makes them nowhere near as impressive as it sounds at face value.And I'm asking what makes you think that?
Brave and the Bold. From what I remember, they only fought twice. Unless you can state the issues. Anyway, 3boot Val was commenting on how much he can learn from Batman. They fight for a bit, until it gets interrupted, but is surprised on how Batman was fighting with the Legion ring for the first time. It was a decent fight.
Originally posted by Q99
Here's the fight:
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page 2Then something happened and Bats got away. KK looked to be getting better hits to me, though the art didn't always make it clear what was a hit and what wasn't (some are clear, but sometimes there's just a few lines near what could either be a wiff or hit).
Oh yeah I honestly forgot about that fight.
Originally posted by jinzinThe fact that shes superhuman and her various feats during Dark Reign didnt make her skill as impressive as alot of people make her out to be.
Air combat? I know of several Batamn vs. KK fights and all of them were circumstantial or inclusive of context that makes them nowhere near as impressive as it sounds at face value.And I'm asking what makes you think that?
Yeah, though I might be remembering the same fight told in 2 different issues.
I don't remember the issue numbers though I just remember it being brought up in the Bats/Spidey thread from yesteryear.
BTW: Not sure holding his own with 3boot Val is enough of a reason to assert that he beats Elektra.
Elektra's beaten and held her own against Logan as well.
Batman winning in a h2h for the majority isn't something that computes IMO.
Originally posted by iceman24567
The fact that shes superhuman and her various feats during Dark Reign didnt make her skill as impressive as alot of people make her out to be.
She was in the worst condition she's ever been and still pulled those feats off. 😕
No selling Palidin, Bullseye, and legit bullet timing aren't impressive even though she was practically walkin on her deathbed? 🤨
Originally posted by jinzin
She was in the worst condition she's ever been and still pulled those feats off. 😕No selling Palidin, Bullseye, and legit bullet timing aren't impressive even though she was practically walkin on her deathbed? 🤨
yo,
people seem to think you have a negative opinion of bats. where would YOU place him in relation to the other uber-h2h guys?
personally, i think h2h between them is very close but i give a very slight nod to bats. if we're talking both at full abilities, bats would have a tough time and elektra would take him i think because of her psi (as opposed to 'sai' heh--i crack me up) skills.
Well, honestly, I just don't think it makes a lot of sense to call Batman better skilled than Elektra because you don't think Elektra was using a ton of skill in one mini. Especially when that mini has her on her practical deathbed.
I could find plenty of 5 story arcs where Batman did nothing even remotely as skilled as Elektra in Dark Reign and some of them even while Bats is amped or prepped for the arc. But that wouldn't make my overall impression of the character.
As it stood, IMO at least, Elektra was using plenty enough skill under hard enough circumstances, that you would expect from any high tier MA, and actually performed better than said expectations to be honest.
In any case, I didn't see anything in Dark Reign that would dictate Batman's more skilled than she is, even if it is by a hair.
You're of course entitled to your opinion, I just wanted to understand the "whys" of that opinion is all.
