Cap America Vs. Green Arrow

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
surviving on an island does not make him a warrior nor fits the requirement for one.

he is a hunter and survivalist but not a warrior..

in order to be a warrior one must live by a set of codes adhere to them be indoctrinated and part of an elite system of combat from a warrior society.. most important know and be willing to kill and have killed..

You actually think thats a credible argument?

Originally posted by namorsubby
In a ranged fight, GA owns. close combat is even debatable, GA upgraded after learning in the east.

Wow you just love DC characters don't you?

edit: Ah its bucky. You maybe right.

Steve for the majority, bucky, not so much.

Originally posted by namorsubby
Steve for the majority, bucky, not so much.

Fair enough.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
So, in that picture, that was Black Canary?

What's wrong with Green Arrow being called a "warrior".

I DO have a problem with Iron Man calling himself a warrior.

same for a samurai, a brave or anyone else that bears that name.. they must prove their physical worth through series of trials to stand above a soldier and must also live and breath by a code.

modern society and usage of the word has started to erode what it means to be a warrior as if anyone can lay claim to it b/c he knows martial arts or is an advent hunter

So based on those descriptions, how is Green Arrow not a warrior? He has honed his craft: marksmanship; specifically with the bow and arrow. He is a small fish(street level) in a killer whale's ocean(overall DC power level average) and he has been a member of the JLA(the superhero equivalent to the Navy S.E.A.L.S. or "elite group"😉.

Just because he hasn't officially served in a military does that not make him a warrior? We call Batman a warrior. He refuses to kill. Still, in all of comics if their is a individual who is powerless that defines a warrior we look at him.

Bottom line: Green Arrow is a warrior.

Iron Man on the other hand, IMO, not so much.

facepalm2

he doesnt meet a single requirement for the definition. marksmenship has nothing to do with being a warrior.. is it a bonus or even a pre requisite for certain groups? yes. but by your logic an olympic archer is also a warrior,.

your applying the new modern inaccurate term of a warrior which is interchangeable to an elite athlete.. but that does not make one a warrior in the traditional accurate term of the word for a combat society..

the JLA in itself is not equivalent to the navy seals JLA requirement to join is possessing certain skills or powers but has no set indoctrination nor requires each individual member to possess certain identical set skills to one another.

even in the JLA they differentiate one another from who is warrior and who is not.. example is Wonder woman everyone acknowledges her as a warrior b/c that is what she is. but not everyone acknowledges nor fits the criteria of a warrior nor would they want to example superman.. of course others may not agree with it and still call other heroes warriors but that does not make them so.

again in order to be a warrior one must be part of a military or warfare centered society I.E. a marial artist can be an elite fighter but cannot be a warrior in the traditional since unless he undergoes that particular trials of that society batman is not a modern warrior b/c he knows martial arts an trained but he can be considered a warrior if he underwent warrior trials of a particular society that he trained in.. using batman is not the best way to help argue on green arrows side

Green arrow is a warrior becuase he is engaged and experienced in war or conflict. He is also very proficient in combat, which isn't even required of a warrior

end conversation.

An Olympic archer doesn't save the world from cosmic level threats or fight armed thugs on a night to nigh basis.

But whatever, I see there's no altering your view. Who cares if they aren't warriors. Green Arrow>>>Navy S.E.A.L., Samurai, Spartan, etc.

actually warrior is to be proficient in war and combat hence the term war in warrior..

code of honor is a must.. honor courage commitment is just an example... be one with the body mind and soul.. speak only truth.. die for honor, glory and country..

possess knowledge of war example reading maps, terrain, proficient in particular weapons above the standard of a soldier unarmed combat

undergo indoctrination and be admitted into a group and fit the physical standard: anything from torture, burning, mutilation, drowning.. physical mental exhaustion.. change your view of the rest of society compared to your own give an oath to your brethren to serve and fight and die for one another and obey..

these men are picked from already trained group of men who can already be soldiers to be furthered cultivated.

again just b/c he has bn in fights or in battles is not enough to be a warrior.. a soldier from the reserves has seen action and killed that does not make him a warrior again their is a massive chasm of a difference between the two.. its like saying a soldier and a cop is the same thing.. the sun and the moon..

a big LOL @ the definitional dodge going on here.

"warrior |ˈwôrēər|
noun
(esp. in former times) a brave or experienced soldier or fighter."

Green Arrow takes on planetary threats armed with a bow and arrow, has enough combat prowess to make any real life trained warrior look like an idiot child, has given trouble to the best tacticians in DC, and has been a member of the most elite group of individuals without being "super" in any aspect.

He's not a warrior because he doesn't meet Wild Shadow's completely arbitrary requirements?

lawl.

its not arbitrary... and i am offended by the use of the word b/c its a personal insult to what i underwent and if you read up on the word you would realize that i am not just throwing random requirements these are key definitions.

its like saying rule of laws are arbitrary try to argue that with the judge with a dismissive attitude.

even some of my favorite heroes who have undergone more then green arrow and done more individually i acknowledge as not being warriors and better yet they know they are not warriors.. example deadpool..

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
its like saying rule of laws are arbitrary try to argue that with the judge with a dismissive attitude.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
its not arbitrary... and i am offended by the use of the word b/c its a personal insult to what i underwent and if you read up on the word you would realize that i am not just throwing random requirements these are key definitions.

In your warrior training, did they not teach you to read?

Originally posted by Original Smurph
I did read up on the word. I quoted the definition to you.

In your warrior training, did they not teach you to read?

made me memorize various mantras and site them b4 hitting the rack for 4 or 5 hours of sleep b4 doing it all over again..

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
no. they did not teach me to read. they taught me to write short concise statements. they made me memorize words, tactics and definitions and code words as well as dates, names and rank structure finishing with the president.

made me memorize various mantras and site them b4 hitting the rack for 4 or 5 hours of sleep b4 doing it all over again..

Warrior:

"warrior |ˈwôrēər|
noun
(esp. in former times) a brave or experienced soldier or fighter."

Which Green Arrow more than qualifies for.

Realistically, by any modern day standard of the title "Warrior", Green Arrow should qualify, but whatever dogma you've memorized is irrelevant to the actual meaning of the word.

I consider Ollie a warrior 😬

dont pick and choice the definition that you think agrees with your own definition paste the whole definition of it..

http://www.answers.com/topic/warrior
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrior

also a quick definition of a dictionary does not encompass everything that it is required to be a warrior and a warrior would be insulted to be called a soldier or referred as such major difference in most military societies.. .. tell me what military or warrior training have you gone in your country b/c in each country the requirements are different. which is why in a dictionary you get a short encompassing definition and comparison to a soldier.. try the military definition of a countries army to get what that countries military fighting men consider a warrior..

one think that remains the same is:

code of conduct

indoctrination: test body, mind & spirit

elite group above average military..

these were also specifically stated in the definition to be a warrior in the dictionary that you sited in but left out for just the top two similar noun.

which are only meant to give you an idea and similarity of the word but does not make it a fully accurate term just an idea..

like comparing karate to kung fu or tae kwon do.. martial arts they are used for comparison for certain words but not meant to be interchangeable that is the problem with todays society and what we have hear..

green arrow is a comic book hero a super hero even but he is not a warrior.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
a big LOL @ the definitional dodge going on here.

"warrior |ˈwôrēər|
noun
(esp. in former times) a brave or experienced soldier or fighter."

Green Arrow takes on planetary threats armed with a bow and arrow, has enough combat prowess to make any real life trained warrior look like an idiot child, has given trouble to the best tacticians in DC, and has been a member of the most elite group of individuals without being "super" in any aspect.

He's not a warrior because he doesn't meet Wild Shadow's completely arbitrary requirements?

lawl.

Originally posted by iceman24567
I consider Ollie a warrior 😬

i guess we can all start calling wildcat, black canary, robin, ronin, patriot, Ms. marvel, spider woman ... all warriors i guess the title doesnt mean anything comics anymore but, that is to be expected right obviously their powers allow them be superior to a human physically which automatically makes them warriors or any human title like worlds best martial artist and what not.. 😬

Last I checked, Oliver Queen didn't have powers, was the finest bowman on his planet, trained his ass off to be where he is now, and deals with armed thugs and planetary threats every week.

Code of honor? Check.
Constant training? Check.
Member of elite task force? Check.
The best of his craft? Check.

What more did you say you wanted? Did you see Smurph's definition? I'd say dude fits the bill.