Originally posted by mondruI'll agree with you that Batman's fast when it comes to evading things. He isn't on par with Daredevil though. Due to his senses, he's got like superhuman dexterity, reaction time, and somewhat of precognition.
speed and agility are not easily an advantage for mat as you state, agility? maybe but not speed batman can match any speed feat mat has if its avoiding bullets machine guns and fighting speed the only thing daredevil truely has over batman is agility thats it which batman makes up for with his skillsdaredevil got a hearing? and batman got his sight as simple as it is they are equal in that department, overall daredevil is facing a stronger more durable and more brutal version of him and probably more skilled in fight judging by showings while daredevil got only agility over batman and maybe just maybe a very slight edge on speed and thats when batman is wearing his suit
Don't even try to say that Daredevil doesn't hold an advantage with his senses or that Batman is equal.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
I'll agree with you that Batman's fast when it comes to evading things. He isn't on par with Daredevil though. Due to his senses, he's got like superhuman dexterity, reaction time, and somewhat of precognition.Don't even try to say that Daredevil doesn't hold an advantage with his senses or that Batman is equal.
batman doesnt need any official stated enhanced sanses in order to achieve the same thing with training facts are batman makes up for daredevils abilities with skills
Other than a few choice showings that are pretty impressive there's nothing to suggest DD is on par or superior strength-wise to Bruce. Bruce has the more consistent showings of impressive strength.
I don't even really see the rationale behind giving DD any speed/reflex advantage. According to feats, what has he done to put him past Batman in that category? Sure his senses heighten his reflexes, but Bruce has some pretty stellar reflex/speed showings without that enhancement, and I really don't see why DD would be superior, other than the fact that he's that guy who is considered all acrobatic and what not, much like Nightwing.
That being said, I think Bruce is more skilled. I'm pretty sure he has mastered more MA's and his fought just about all the grade A martial artists in the DCU, even KK.
his senses are enough to not just bullet time dodge like all street levelers who anticipate the shot but also to purposely block, bat them and ricochet them with precision.
that is extreme enhanced speed both physically and mental tactical acuity..
i say DD will have to work for it but he will anticipate and out react bats here and there gaining him an advantage in h2h.
if bats isnt wearing any armor i also see DD using more nerve blows consistently and periodically above bats not saying bats would try or use them but DD uses them like second nature almost like breathing.
DD ftw 5.5/10
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
his senses are enough to not just bullet time dodge like all street levelers who anticipate the shot but also to purposely block, bat them and ricochet them with precision.that is extreme enhanced speed both physically and mental tactical acuity..
i say DD will have to work for it but he will anticipate and out react bats here and there gaining him an advantage in h2h.
if bats isnt wearing any armor i also see DD using more nerve blows consistently and periodically above bats not saying bats would try or use them but DD uses them like second nature almost like breathing.
DD ftw 5.5/10
Batman HAS batted bullets and dodged them AFTER they were shot. And Batman knows every nerve strike there is to know, which has been stated outright.
Tabulate everything both characters are stated to be capable of, subtract Batman's gadgets and DD wins; I don't know how you can logically argue the contrary.
You peeps are forgetting that this is not a comic book fight where things have to be balanced out; there is no PIS, which means Daredevil isn't getting tagged. If the powers Marvel has given DD truly stood up when it comes to what gets put in print, there's no way he should ever get tagged in a h2h fight unless his opponent has a tremendous speed advantage.
look at DD's handbook and then tell me how it makes sense that he can be hit by anyone who isn't a speedster. 😕
i have seen bats place his arm in the direction of the bullets and have his armor take the shot for him.. i know bats is extremely skilled as well..
the problem is that DD is a nerve strike practitioner it is his bread and butter plus his senses are like X ray vision he can read individual bodies like a human anatomy book he sees nerve clusters and knows how they will react to his attacks that right there beats bats handedly in the nerve mastery department.
i am not taking anything from bats it would be tantamount to giving them both a set of knives and having them engage in a knife fight with wolverine.. yeah we know they are skilled but it doesnt equal or surpass someone elses knowledge of knive fighting which is his life
and bread and butter
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i have seen bats place his arm in the direction of the bullets and have his armor take the shot for him.. i know bats is extremely skilled as well..the problem is that DD is a nerve strike practitioner it is his bread and butter plus his senses are like X ray vision he can read individual bodies like a human anatomy book he sees nerve clusters and knows how they will react to his attacks that right there beats bats handedly in the nerve mastery department.
i am not taking anything from bats it would be tantamount to giving them both a set of knives and having them engage in a knife fight with wolverine.. yeah we know they are skilled but it doesnt equal or surpass someone elses knowledge of knive fighting which is his life
and bread and butter
🙂 All kidding aside, I think they are pretty much even physically. I do think Bats is stronger, I think he does hit harder, and I think his intelligence would give him the majority. It's definitely not going to be an easy victory either way.
Originally posted by marwash22anyone with a set lvl of enhancements can hit DD easy..
Tabulate everything both characters are stated to be capable of, subtract Batman's gadgets and DD wins; I don't know how you can logically argue the contrary.You peeps are forgetting that this is not a comic book fight where things have to be balanced out; there is no PIS, which means Daredevil isn't getting tagged. If the powers Marvel has given DD truly stood up when it comes to what gets put in print, there's no way he should ever get tagged in a h2h fight unless his opponent has a tremendous speed advantage.
look at DD's handbook and then tell me how it makes sense that he can be hit by anyone who isn't a speedster. 😕
basically captain america and up can hit him due to enhanced speed, skill and overall physical attributes.
also things that screw with DD's radar is HF's like Dp's hell, he even had a hard time reading cap's biological functions if i recall correctly.
Originally posted by marwash22Didn't DD say that Cap was faster than him? What speedsters has he hit, because batman has.
Tabulate everything both characters are stated to be capable of, subtract Batman's gadgets and DD wins; I don't know how you can logically argue the contrary.You peeps are forgetting that this is not a comic book fight where things have to be balanced out; there is no PIS, which means Daredevil isn't getting tagged. If the powers Marvel has given DD truly stood up when it comes to what gets put in print, there's no way he should ever get tagged in a h2h fight unless his opponent has a tremendous speed advantage.
look at DD's handbook and then tell me how it makes sense that he can be hit by anyone who isn't a speedster. 😕
i don't get what you're asking me.
Also, i don't think you understood what i was saying. Taking into consideration the powers Marvel has given DD, he should never lose a h2h fight. I'm not saying he should be able to tag speedsters, I'm saying, the only people who should be able to tag him, are speedsters.