Originally posted by marwash22There were no werewolves involved, Bella was alone 🙄
Alice' powers don't work when werewolves are involved, that explains the cliff diving thing. As for the finger cutting... PIS. lulz.
As for the finger cutting thing, Alice, like a force user, can see only glimpses of the future. At least on screen.
Verdict? Her presight is imperfect.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yeah, Alice's presight is so perfect that all she saw was Bella jumping off a cliff, thinking she was committing suicide. Why didn't she also see that Bella was only cliff diving?
You didn't pay attention to the movie.
She was, originally, going to commit suicide just to see the hallucination one last time. Also, Alice DID see her jump off in her foresight. If you paid attention to my post (which you obviously didn't), it's based on the decisions people make. That was a spur of the moment decision. Unless one of the Cullens can telelport, that spur of the moment decision (which was also "blurred" but the werewolves being present as they interfere and block Alice's vision), then Alice wouldn't have seen her until she did it and THEN wouldn't have seen her get saved by Jacob.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Why didn't she see Bella cutting her finger on the gift?Shall I go on?
Because it was a spur of the moment decision to open the present.
No, you shouldn't go on.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Anyhoo, so Alice knows Akasha's powers. It's only natural that the QOTD vampires would know of the Twivamps powers too.
Right.
Too bad you didn't specify that at the beginning of the thread.
Regardless if they were known, it doesn't help them because they don't have a "Bella" on their side that can null the other vamps mental powers.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
QOTD vampires are just as fast as the Twivamps. dude. They can react just as fast in battle. Akasha, knowing that she's the key, is gonna fry any Twivamp that gets close to her. She can target 5 and 6 at a time without even looking at them.So yeah, battle begins, Akasha lights up the Twivamps like the fourth of July.
Except for the part where she doesn't because Alice saw everything before it happens and they get the drop on the Queen and she dies a very quick death of deathiness.
Originally posted by marwash22
Uh, Jacob was the one who saved her... which is why Alice couldn't see her being saved. Also, her precog powers are almost flawless when it comes to vampires.Really though, why is this still a debate? QOTD wins due to the moronic rule that doesn't allow powers not seen onscreen to be used.
Nah. Alice sees everything and they plan accordingly.
After Eclipse comes out, that should make it clear enough.
Also, after movie 4, there's not hope of a versus fight against the Cullens from the Queen.
Rest assured, I'll be bringing up this thread when movie 4 comes out. 🙂
Originally posted by dadudemonAh, then Alice can predict what decisions the QOTD vamps will make? Neat!!! Those decisions can always change at the drop of a hat, duder.
You didn't pay attention to the movie.She was, originally, going to commit suicide just to see the hallucination one last time. Also, Alice DID see her jump off in her foresight. If you paid attention to my post (which you obviously didn't), it's based on the decisions people make. That was a spur of the moment decision. Unless one of the Cullens can telelport, that spur of the moment decision (which was also "blurred" but the werewolves being present as they interfere and block Alice's vision), then Alice wouldn't have seen her until she did it and THEN wouldn't have seen her get saved by Jacob.
Because it was a spur of the moment decision to open the present.No, you shouldn't go on.
Bullshit. If anything, she shoulda seen Jasper freaking out at the sight of human blood.
Right.You know better than anyone that most if not all of my threads here have the combatants with some knowledge of each other.Too bad you didn't specify that at the beginning of the thread.
Regardless if they were known, it doesn't help them because they don't have a "Bella" on their side that can null the other vamps mental powers.She can nullify TWILIGHT vamps powers, not a vampire that has been around for 6000 years. Bella's powers are limited to the age of the Twivamps, which are all no earlier than 1300 AD.
Fail, epic fail.
Except for the part where she doesn't because Alice saw everything before it happens and they get the drop on the Queen and she dies a very quick death of deathiness.
Riiiiiiiiight......Akasha torched at least 20 vamps in ten seconds, man. Fight starts, she goes apeshit with her TK, the Twivamps are all crispy critters in ten seconds.
Read the OP:
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Here's who is in this fight:Twilight: The Cullens- Edward, Alice, Rosalie, Jasper, Emmett, Carlisle, Esme.
The Volturi- Aro, Jane, Caius, Marcus, Alec, Felix, and the half a dozen or so in the background.
That's about 20 Twilight vampires.
Now for the QOTD vampires: Akasha, Lestat, Marius, Maharet, Mael, Pandora and Khayman. Lestat was born 1760, the rest were around in BC times.
That's 20 against 7. The fight starts, Akasha levitates 50 feet in the air and is lighting fools up three and four at a time, the fight is over in less than ten seconds.
Watch this vid. Like I said, Akasha torches at least twenty vampires (the same number of Twivamps in this thread BTW) in ten seconds. At 4:51, she starts roasting them. At 5:01, the last one is in ashes:
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Oh yeah, at 6:01, she uses TK to pull Lestat to her. TK for the win!!! If she can use TK to pull a vampire TO her, she can use it to push them AWAY from her.
Thank you for playing.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Ah, then Alice can predict what decisions the QOTD vamps will make? Neat!!! Those decisions can always change at the drop of a hat, duder.
Except you already said what her intentions were in the OP. Too bad, right? 🙂
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Bullshit. If anything, she shoulda seen Jasper freaking out at the sight of human blood.
Too bad, but that's what happened.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You know better than anyone that most if not all of my threads here have the combatants with some knowledge of each other.
It doesn't matter as you didn't state it in the OP and it's too late to add it now. It also doesn't matter if you added it in the OP because you left Alice in the thread which makes this too one sided.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
She can nullify TWILIGHT vamps powers, not a vampire that has been around for 6000 years. Bella's powers are limited to the age of the Twivamps, which are all no earlier than 1300 AD.Fail, epic fail.
Wrong. Twivamps come from thousands of years before 1300AD. There are a couple of vampires that were thousands of years old when they were overthrown by the Volturi in the 1300s. They call them the Romanians.
Also, you didn't state in the OP that none of the Twivamps powers wouldn't work against the Queen. If you did, then your thread would have gotten closed. 🙂
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Riiiiiiiiight......Akasha torched at least 20 vamps in ten seconds, man. Fight starts, she goes apeshit with her TK, the Twivamps are all crispy critters in ten seconds.Read the OP:
[QUOTE=12806272]Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
[B]Watch this vid. Like I said, Akasha torches at least twenty vampires (the same number of Twivamps in this thread BTW) in ten seconds. At 4:51, she starts roasting them. At 5:01, the last one is in ashes:hApryfXFf3o&feature=related
Oh yeah, at 6:01, she uses TK to pull Lestat to her. TK for the win!!! If she can use TK to pull a vampire TO her, she can use it to push them AWAY from her.
Thank you for playing.
How can she torch them when she's taken out in less than a second?
Also, she wouldn't have even gotten the chance to levitate, to begin with as Alice would have seen the attack beforehand and they would have ambushed her before she even got there. Or thousands of other situations that you could think of that would prevent the attack from happening.
Also, like I said, once movie 4 comes out, it's lights out, RJ. Benjamin basically has the powerset of the Avatar as he can control the elements. On top of that, any sort of mental powers the Queen has are nulled by Bella. No fire. No TK. No ability to find the vamps.
She's almost completely null once the 4th movie comes out. Does that make you excited?
Right now, it's pretty one sided on the Cullens side. Once movie four is out, this would be a spite thread.
How is the queen going to protect herself from Jane or Alec? She doesn't have a Bella on her side.
Originally posted by dadudemonI said what the Volturi's intentions are, the Cullens just happen to be there.
Except you already said what her intentions were in the OP. Too bad, right? 🙂
Too bad, but that's what happened.So her presight is flawed, agreed.
It doesn't matter as you didn't state it in the OP and it's too late to add it now. It also doesn't matter if you added it in the OP because you left Alice in the thread which makes this too one sided.K. They have knowledge of each other though.
Wrong. Twivamps come from thousands of years before 1300AD. There are a couple of vampires that were thousands of years old when they were overthrown by the Volturi in the 1300s. They call them the Romanians.Ah but the Romanians aren't in this fight, are they now?
Also, you didn't state in the OP that none of the Twivamps powers wouldn't work against the Queen. If you did, then your thread would have gotten closed. 🙂
Read on, babe.
How can she torch them when she's taken out in less than a second?Gee, how ya been, sadako?
The fight starts. Akasha does her Jedi TK push attack. The Twivamps are held at bay. She levitates. She targets them all at once, TK's their ass, burns them to ash. How does she do this? Because these are all powers she used onscreen.
BONG.
Also, she wouldn't have even gotten the chance to levitate, to begin with as Alice would have seen the attack beforehand and they would have ambushed her before she even got there. Or thousands of other situations that you could think of that would prevent the attack from happening.Dude, Alices presight is way imperfect, and she is a shit fighter. Get off her dick.
Also, like I said, once movie 4 comes out, it's lights out, RJ. Benjamin basically has the powerset of the Avatar as he can control the elements. On top of that, any sort of mental powers the Queen has are nulled by Bella. No fire. No TK. No ability to find the vamps.
She's almost completely null once the 4th movie comes out. Does that make you excited?K.
Right now, it's pretty one sided on the Cullens side. Once movie four is out, this would be a spite thread.Mmmmmmm no. Akasha makey fire. She is faster and at least as strong as the Twivamps, as is the rest of the QOTD vamps. The Twivamps are shit fighters, their fighting style is RIP RIP RIP BURN!!!! Marius and Lestat displayed superior speed and at least the same strength, AND they showed kickass fighting skill. Oh yeah, they can climb the walls like Spider Man.
How is the queen going to protect herself from Jane or Alec? She doesn't have a Bella on her side.As I said, , what's the oldest vampire she ever used her powers on? Because by MVF rules, that is the extent of her powers. If she never used them on a vampire that is over 6000 years old, she is shit outta luck. Hmm? And please, none of this "Her power works on all vamps no matter how old ZOMG!!!!" Stop being a fanboy, adhere to forum rules. If the Twivamps powers worked on vampires no older than 6-700 years, that is the extent of their power. Deal with it.
Akasha- circa 5000 BC (I was wrong she's actually 1000 years older)
Lestat- circa 1760 (But he has Akashas powers after drinking her blood, sans the TK fire attack)
Marius- circa 30 BC
Maharet- 6000 years old
Mael- Same as Marius, ish
Pandora- circa 15 BC
Khayman- circa 4000 BC
✅ Yeppers, all immune to the Twivamps powers ✅
Sooooooooooooooooo here's where we stand:
QOTD vampires are faster than the Twivamps, and at least as strong as the Twivamps, AND they can actually fight. Plus the QOTD vampires can fly!!!! yeehaw!!!
Alice's presight is about as reliable as a a condom made of tissue paper.
Bella's powers are not a factor here, why? Two reasons.....One, she hasn't shown them yet. Two, her powers will not work on the QOTD vampires. Why? Because Her powers only work on vampires as old as they were shown working on in the movies, NOT on 6000 year old vampires.
And, as I said, the Twivamps powers won't work here.
Aaaaaaaaaand:
Originally posted by RobtardEdward never showed speed close to the Flash's, he's super-fast, but it wasn't 'blink-of-an-eye' speed like Lestat showed in IWTV.
There it is, proof that the QOTD vamps are faster.
@ RJ,
where are you getting this idea that Jane's powers wouldn't work on someone due to age? Her powers work despite of age or strength. The only thing that stops her power (or any Twilight psychic power), is the psychic ability to be immune to psychic abilities... Bella is the only person immune to it.
It doesn't matter if one of the QOTD vamps was ten thousand years old, Jane would still cripple them.
Originally posted by marwash22
@ RJ,where are you getting this idea that Jane's powers wouldn't work on someone due to age? Her powers work despite of age or strength. The only thing that stops her power (or any Twilight psychic power), is the psychic ability to be immune to psychic abilities... Bella is the only person immune to it.
It doesn't matter if one of the QOTD vamps was ten thousand years old, Jane would still cripple them.
That's how it works here. Someones powers/abilities work exactly as they did onscreen, no exceptions. If she was never shown using her mind attack on a vampire 6000 years old, she can't.
It's like saying Bob Lee Swagger can make a shot six miles away, when his top screen feat was a mile.
It's like saying a guy can lift 6000 pounds, when he was only shown lifting 1000.
It's like saying a superhero can fly at Mach 6, when they were only shown flying at Mach 1.
But hey, let's PRETEND that Jane can use her mind powers on Akasha. The fight starts, Jane commences attacking Akasha, Akasha is all "Oh shit that hurts." What then? A QOTD vamp (faster and at least as strong as the twivamps), rushes in and wails on Jane. Janes concentration is broken, Akasha recovers, the twivamps burn.
How ya like dem apples?
You're not making sense. That logic doesn't apply here because it's a fact of the series that psychic abilities work on EVERYONE, age or strength is not a factor, what part of that do you not understand?
lulz. You're completely neglecting the fact that there are other Volturi member's/Cullen's in this fight. Unless you think the other Volturi members/Cullen's are just gonna stand around and watch. There's...
Felix: who is easily the strongest vampire on Earth in terms of physical strength. His ability is fighting... no one can beat him in a fight, it's not possible.
Renata: who just needs to stand next to Jane and no one would be able to harm her.
Alec: Who can cut off all the senses of every single QOTD vamp.
and there are like 16 other Twilight members in this fight.
Originally posted by marwash22
You're not making sense. That logic doesn't apply here because it's a fact of the series that psychic abilities work on EVERYONE, age or strength is not a factor, what part of that do you not understand?lulz. You're completely neglecting the fact that there are other Volturi member's/Cullen's in this fight. Unless you think the other Volturi members/Cullen's are just gonna stand around and watch. There's...
[b]Felix:
who is easily the strongest vampire on Earth in terms of physical strength. His ability is fighting... no one can beat him in a fight, it's not possible.Renata: who just needs to stand next to Jane and no one would be able to harm her.
Alec: Who can cut off all the senses of every single QOTD vamp.
and there are like 16 other Twilight members in this fight. [/B]
You're basing shit in the Twilight world. The QOTD vampires are much more powerful, older, faster, and just as strong.
Felix would get ***** slapped by Marius.
Renata and Alec's powers are useless because they only work against vampires of a certain age, NOT 6000 year old vampires.
That's just how it is. Akasha makes crispy twicritters.
So now you're not even gonna provide any evidence, you're just gonna claim Twilight powers wouldn't work against them? Ok, prove it.
Originally posted by Rogue Jediproof?
You're basing shit in the Twilight world. The QOTD vampires are much more powerful, older, faster, and just as strong.
Originally posted by Rogue Jediproof?
Felix would get ***** slapped by Marius.
Originally posted by Rogue Jediproof?
Renata and Alec's powers are useless because they only work against vampires of a certain age, NOT 6000 year old vampires.
Originally posted by marwash22I kind already did. You really don't understand the forum rules, do you?
So now you're not even gonna provide any evidence, you're just gonna claim Twilight powers wouldn't work against them? Ok, prove it.
The Twilight vamps powers work on vamps of a certain age (the oldest being 1300 AD IN THE MOVIES). QOTD vamps are all 4000, 5000, 1000 BC. The twilight vamps powers have never been shown working on vampires that old. I don't see what the confusion is, I summed it up here:
It's like saying Bob Lee Swagger can make a shot six miles away, when his top screen feat was a mile.
It's like saying a guy can lift 6000 pounds, when he was only shown lifting 1000.
It's like saying a superhero can fly at Mach 6, when they were only shown flying at Mach 1.
Plus this:
But hey, let's PRETEND that Jane can use her mind powers on Akasha. The fight starts, Jane commences attacking Akasha, Akasha is all "Oh shit that hurts." What then? A QOTD vamp (faster and at least as strong as the twivamps), rushes in and wails on Jane. Janes concentration is broken, Akasha recovers, the twivamps burn.
With the same knowledge of the twilight vamps as the twilight vamps have of them, they will target Jane and kill her immediately. Not that they need to, because her powers won't work on them, it's not one of her high end screen feats.
If Jane was as old as the QOTD vamps, and could target them all at once, then yeah, her powers are unbeatable. All the vampire franchises in hollywood differ, but one thing they all have in common is that the older the vampire, the more powerful the vampire. Jane's powers work ONLY on vampires with a certain level of power.
Just watch the fight scenes in QOTD. Marius is faster than Felix, at least as strong, and is a far superior fighter. The vid on page one proves that.
Ok. I get it.
Basically you're saying that, even though it's an explicit fact of the series that age, nor physical/intellectual superiority, has any bearing on psychic abilities... since Jane hasn't been seen on screen using her powers on someone as old as Akasha, her powers wouldn't work at all. This is what you're saying, correct?
So really, you have no argument. Better yet, your argument is that, the facts of the Twilight series are irrelevant because the rules of the KMC 'Movie Versus Forum', trump them.
That's weak, dude... weak! I'm done talking to you; it's a waste of time trying to debate someone who will disregard facts because of an antiquated technicality.
Originally posted by marwash22
Ok. I get it.Basically you're saying that, even though it's an explicit fact of the series that age, nor physical/intellectual superiority, has any bearing on psychic abilities... since Jane hasn't been seen on screen using her powers on someone as old as Akasha, her powers wouldn't work at all. This is what you're saying, correct?
So really, you have no argument. Better yet, your argument is that, the facts of the Twilight series are irrelevant because the rules of the KMC 'Movie Versus Forum', trump them.
That's weak, dude... weak! I'm done talking to you; it's a waste of time trying to debate someone who will disregard facts because of an antiquated technicality.
No, you're right, Jane's powers are not affected by age. You are 100% correct.
BUT, there are no twivamps that are remotely as old and as powerful as Akasha, there's literally no way to prove that Jane's powers will work on Akasha or any of the other QOTD vamps. Jane's screen feats are only what is seen onscreen. They do not include mind raping vamps as old as Akasha and her brethren.
And if Janes powers DID work on the QOTD vamps, there's still this:
But hey, let's PRETEND that Jane can use her mind powers on Akasha. The fight starts, Jane commences attacking Akasha, Akasha is all "Oh shit that hurts." What then? A QOTD vamp (faster and at least as strong as the twivamps), rushes in and wails on Jane. Janes concentration is broken, Akasha recovers, the twivamps burn.
Either way, the QOTD vamps are covered.
Done talking to me, because I am handing your ass to you? K. If you change your mind, it's cool.
Originally posted by Rogue JediSure they are. Tell me, what's the oldest vampire she ever used her powers on? Because by MVF rules, that is the extent of her powers. If she never used them on a vampire that is over 6000 years old, she is shit outta luck.
Not relevant to this discussion, but in the book, Jane's powers works on Aro which is over 3000 years old.