Twilight versus Queen of the Damned....

Originally posted by Placidity
Not relevant to this discussion, but in the book, Jane's powers works on Aro which is over 3000 years old.

And there's still this:

But hey, let's PRETEND that Jane can use her mind powers on Akasha. The fight starts, Jane commences attacking Akasha, Akasha is all "Oh shit that hurts." What then? A QOTD vamp (faster and at least as strong as the twivamps), rushes in and wails on Jane. Janes concentration is broken, Akasha recovers, the twivamps burn.

Either way, the QOTD vamps are covered.

Questions, both Vampire franchises have that 'the older the vampire, the stronger the vampire' angle, correct?

Akasha is 6k years old, how old are the oldest Twilight vamps?

Edward moved so fast he appeared as a blur. Lestat moved so fast he was invisible to the human eye. Think speed goes to the Anne Rice franchise.

Originally posted by Robtard
Questions, both Vampire franchises have that 'the older the vampire, the stronger the vampire' angle, correct?

No.

That's Underworld.

If anything, the oldest vampires sit around too much and get weaker in Twilight.

Originally posted by Robtard
Questions, both Vampire franchises have that 'the older the vampire, the stronger the vampire' angle, correct?

Akasha is 6k years old, how old are the oldest Twilight vamps?

Edward moved so fast he appeared as a blur. Lestat moved so fast he was invisible to the human eye. Think speed goes to the Anne Rice franchise.

Yes, ALL vampire franchises have that.

Yes, the ones in this thread? 700 years.

True.

Akasha- circa 5000 BC (I was wrong she's actually 1000 years older, Akasha is 7000 years old)

Lestat- circa 1760 (But he has Akashas powers after drinking her blood, sans the TK fire attack)

Marius- circa 30 BC

Maharet- 6000 years old

Mael- Same as Marius, ish

Pandora- circa 15 BC

Khayman- circa 4000 BC

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I said what the Volturi's intentions are, the Cullens just happen to be there.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So her presight is flawed, agreed.

If I recall properly, Alice didn't see Bella get excited to open that present because, at that moment, she was very dead set on NOT liking any gifts at all: Bella decided that she would be grumpy about if there were any presents. Alice didn't see anything wrong with that current future.

As Bella got happier and happier during her presents upwrapping, she changed her mind and decided that she would be happy about it (in the book, she says to herself that she would/should be happier because of how much effort was put into this party...which doesn't come out in the movie very well, which makes it seem more like a flaw in Alice's vision than a conscious decision by Bella to be happier for the Cullen's efforts). She got excited and cut herself and it was so quick that Alice didn't have time for a vision.

You already stated what the intentions were in the OP, so it's a moot point. You're trying to wiggle out of how absurdly pwn Alice is for the twif*gs but it will never work. There's always the "based on how it worked, most of the time, not the only time you think that there was an exception" argument.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
K. They have knowledge of each other though.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Ah but the Romanians aren't in this fight, are they now?

Instead of actually saying, "Yeah, my bad. I was wrong on both accounts" you've taken us off into left field with something completely unrelated.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Read on, babe.

You can't null Twif*g special powers with arbitrary, unapplicable, rules that don't exist. That's gimping. None of the Twif*gs special powers were ever shown to NOT work on a vampire based on age. We only have to go to the books, a higher canon source, to see that that is true, no matter what.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Gee, how ya been, sadako?
The fight starts. Akasha does her Jedi TK push attack. The Twivamps are held at bay. She levitates. She targets them all at once, TK's their ass, burns them to ash. How does she do this? Because these are all powers she used onscreen.
BONG.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Dude, Alices presight is way imperfect, and she is a shit fighter. Get off her dick.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Sure they are. Tell me, what's the oldest vampire she ever used her powers on? Because by MVF rules, that is the extent of her powers. If she never used them on a vampire that is over 6000 years old, she is shit outta luck.

But can't I argue the same for the Twlight vamps? The Queen has never faced "gifted" vamps from another universe, before. In fact, her TK and fire techniques don't work on any of the Twivamps as they are not made the same as QOTD vamps. PWNED! (I need that image of yours, right now.)

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
K.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Mmmmmmm no. Akasha makey fire. She is faster and at least as strong as the Twivamps, as is the rest of the QOTD vamps. The Twivamps are shit fighters, their fighting style is RIP RIP RIP BURN!!!! Marius and Lestat displayed superior speed and at least the same strength, AND they showed kickass fighting skill. Oh yeah, they can climb the walls like Spider Man.

Strength? No contest. Edward treated that van like it was styrofoam.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
As I said, , what's the oldest vampire she ever used her powers on? Because by MVF rules, that is the extent of her powers. If she never used them on a vampire that is over 6000 years old, she is shit outta luck. Hmm? And please, none of this "Her power works on all vamps no matter how old ZOMG!!!!" Stop being a fanboy, adhere to forum rules. If the Twivamps powers worked on vampires no older than 6-700 years, that is the extent of their power. Deal with it.
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I know this hurts, but...the special "gifts" from the twif*gs work on any vampire at any age without exception. You're more than welcome to prove that their powers have an age limit, however, the Romanians are around the same age as Akasha, if not older. Guess what? The Romanians' coven ruled for thousands of years before they were overthrown around 500AD.

You can stomp your feet, ignore facts, and pretend that the rules are on your side, but what will you do next year when you see the Romanians refuse to allow Renesme to touch them because they don't want her "gift" affecting them? You know, two vamps that are around the same age as Akasha. 🙂

It doesn't really matter, though, as your point is made of fail, anyway. We already have more than enough information from the on-screen action to prove there there is no difference on the effectiveness of "gifts" on older vampires. I've already shown you where your logic can be turned right back around on you, as well.

If you actually want to have a discussion, let me know.

So, anyway, you've called me a fanboy when I've been more than outspoken about Meyer's atrociuos writing style, the horrible acting in the movies, and the cheesy lines in both the movies and books. Yet, I'm the fanboy because I'm stating the obvious?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Sooooooooooooooooo here's where we stand:
QOTD vampires are faster than the Twivamps, and at least as strong as the Twivamps, AND they can actually fight. Plus the QOTD vampires can fly!!!! yeehaw!!!
Alice's presight is about as reliable as a a condom made of tissue paper.
Bella's powers are not a factor here, why? Two reasons.....One, she hasn't shown them yet. Two, her powers will not work on the QOTD vampires. Why? Because Her powers only work on vampires as old as they were shown working on in the movies, NOT on 6000 year old vampires.
And, as I said, the Twivamps powers won't work here.

Aaaaaaaaaand:

There it is, proof that the QOTD vamps are faster.

You haven't proven that QOTD vamps are faster: you need an actual speed feat such as James' speed feat. Alice's forsight is so useful and awesome that it prevented the loss of any life of those around her and completely eliminated physical harm from them. If that's what you'd like to call "unreliable", I'd definitely like that "unreliable" power on my side in any fight.

And Bella's powers won't work at all until movie 4 comes out.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yes, ALL vampire franchises have that.

Yes, the ones in this thread? 700 years.

Wrong.

Very few have that.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Akasha- circa 5000 BC (I was wrong she's actually 1000 years older, Akasha is 7000 years old)

Lestat- circa 1760 (But he has Akashas powers after drinking her blood, sans the TK fire attack)

Marius- circa 30 BC

Maharet- 6000 years old

Mael- Same as Marius, ish

Pandora- circa 15 BC

Khayman- circa 4000 BC

pwned this already.

🙂

Akasha's film feats aren't enough for her to beat the TwiVamps, especially if they all attack at once.

They would rip her arms off!

Originally posted by dadudemon
Her /= Volutri or Cullens. Her = the Queen, Akasha.

If seeing possible futures based on one's decisions is a flaw, then it's flawed.
It's far more complicated than that, though.
For instance, if person A decides to do this, it could affect person B. This affect on person B causes person B to act a different way which affects person C. Person C, due to person B's actions, cause person C to do something negative.
Because of person A, we have a negative action from person C, who didn't even meet person A, at all.
Just one decision could change the entire future potential. If I recall properly, Alice didn't see Bella get excited to open that present because, at that moment, she was very dead set on NOT liking any gifts at all: Bella decided that she would be grumpy about if there were any presents. Alice didn't see anything wrong with that current future. As Bella got happier and happier during her presents upwrapping, she changed her mind and decided that she would be happy about it (in the book, she says to herself that she would/should be happier because of how much effort was put into this party...which doesn't come out in the movie very well, which makes it seem more like a flaw in Alice's vision than a conscious decision by Bella to be happier for the Cullen's efforts). She got excited and cut herself and it was so quick that Alice didn't have time for a vision.

You already stated what the intentions were in the OP, so it's a moot point. You're trying to wiggle out of how absurdly pwn Alice is for the twif*gs but it will never work. There's always the "based on how it worked, most of the time, not the only time you think that there was an exception" argument.

K. Doesn't change anything as no one can get around Alice seeing the future cept the werewolves. 🙂 Even the Volturi tried and failed (as you'll see in movie 3 in a few short days.)

Right cause the Romanians being present for this fight have EVERYTHING to do with this match and a crucial for the outcome. Wait, they are not. 😬
They were useless when overthrown in the 1300s. They were useless in Breaking Dawn in the "almost" fight against the Volturi. What you just tried to do here is a very good example of a strawman.
You tried to pass off a vampires age as something that counts for anything when it comes to twif*g vampires when it doesn't. Further, you said that they were only around since about the 1300s, which is also horribly wrong.

Instead of actually saying, "Yeah, my bad. I was wrong on both accounts" you've taken us off into left field with something completely unrelated.

Mmmmmm no. Every vampire franchise in hollywood has that in common, the older the vampire the stronger. If twilight does not adhere to that, whatever. Doesn't change the fact the the QOTD vampires are faster, at least as strong, can fly, and can at least LOOK like they can fight.

And the age thing? That is in reference to Jane's powers. Her mind rape thing can only work on vamps that are as old as she is shown using it on, THAT'S jane's high end feat. Akasha is 7000 years old. Do the math.

No, you have to address the point. You didn't state it in the OP so it doesn't fly. You must argue the thread based on the rules you created for this thread, not rules you make up as the thread goes on because you forgot to gimp one side or the other in favor of the character you wanted to win.

You can't null Twif*g special powers with arbitrary, unapplicable, rules that don't exist. That's gimping. None of the Twif*gs special powers were ever shown to NOT work on a vampire based on age. We only have to go to the books, a higher canon source, to see that that is true, no matter what.

I'm simply using Jane's high end feats. How old is the oldest vampire she mind rapes ONSCREEN THUS FAR? Yeah......not 7000, not 6000, not 5000. What's the word I'm looking for..........BONG.

1. Other than the occasional fights you two have, I like Sadako. I don't take insult to being called Sadako.

2. See, NOW you're starting to script again. Well done. 👆

3. The fight starts, and Akasha think to use her TK but as soon as she goes to applies it, she's already dead.

4. Did you know that one of the twif*g vamps can null against physical attacks? Did you know another can null against all mental attacks in a very large radius? (mwahahahahaha!) Just wait for one more year and this thread become spite against the Queen. 😆

Right, that's why in all 4 books, her precog was central to the cullens and the werewolves COMPLETE survival with little to no injuries for all of them. Oh, wait, her precog is so powerful and useful that, in a sparing match against Jasper, a vampire hunter/killer that has almost a century of experience hunting and killing the strongest of vampires (new borns), that he couldn't even land a hit or even touch Alice. She just stood there with her eyes closed, doing nothing. Just a few more days till eclipse comes out. 🙂
Also, Alice is a good fighter. Don't forget that it was Alice that ripped off James' head in Twlight. 😉

😆
Okay, okay. You win. But can't I argue the same for the Twlight vamps? The Queen has never faced "gifted" vamps from another universe, before. In fact, her TK and fire techniques don't work on any of the Twivamps as they are not made the same as QOTD vamps. PWNED! (I need that image of yours, right now.)

The Twivamps fight like the Flash and have centuries of fighting experience at fighting vampires.
Prove that she is faster.

So, Akasha being 7000, she can do all this and more. Don't be a dumbass.

Also, we have James, who was significantly slower than Edward, run from Washington State to Tuscan Arizona in less than a day. Get that? He ran faster than a Jet because he beat Bella to Tuscon AFTER being thrown off by the other Cullens

...so he had to retrace his steps and STILL make it to Tuscon before Bella to leave the voicemail on her mom's home phone. 😐
Do you have a speed feat faster than that?

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And that's cannon fodder low level vamp. Imagine how fast the elders can move/run.

Strength? No contest. Edward treated that van like it was styrofoam.

I know this hurts, but...the special "gifts" from the twif*gs work on any vampire at any age without exception. You're more than welcome to prove that their powers have an age limit, however, the Romanians are around the same age as Akasha, if not older. Guess what? The Romanians' coven ruled for thousands of years before they were overthrown around 500AD.

Screen feats, dude. Stick to them.

You can stomp your feet, ignore facts, and pretend that the rules are on your side, but what will you do next year when you see the Romanians refuse to allow Renesme to touch them because they don't want her "gift" affecting them? You know, two vamps that are around the same age as Akasha. 🙂

It doesn't really matter, though, as your point is made of fail, anyway. We already have more than enough information from the on-screen action to prove there there is no difference on the effectiveness of "gifts" on older vampires. I've already shown you where your logic can be turned right back around on you, as well.

I am using screen feats. Answer me this: How old is the oldest vampire Jane is shown mind raping?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

YouTube video

If you actually want to have a discussion, let me know.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Akasha's film feats aren't enough for her to beat the TwiVamps, especially if they all attack at once.

They would rip her arms off!

Evade, levitate, internal combustion.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Akasha's film feats aren't enough for her to beat the TwiVamps, especially if they all attack at once.

They would rip her arms off!

The burning other vampires to ash with her mind is pretty useful, as she could do it to all of them, at once. As per that clip.

Originally posted by Robtard
The burning other vampires to ash with her mind is pretty useful, as she could do it to all of them, at once. As per that clip.

She wouldn't even need that power. She and the others are way faster, this is beyond question. They simply evade, very easily in fact, and rip the twivamps heads off one by one.

Or bite into and rip their throats out.

I just messaged Mattie asking where and if I could make a Twilight versus Anne Rice thread, this time with ALL material included, books and movies. He'll prolly tell me to **** off.