Void vs. Hunter Doomsday

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I'm not slow you appear to be. Superman defeated DD at the end and held his own against DD without going all out like jurgens described him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Brainiac is a very smart opponent which has nothing to do with DD in his own body. Superman still was resourceful enough to figure a way out to survive against DD with the mind of a more intelligent foe than himself.

Guess I'll say it once more in hopes that it sinks in... I wasn't talking about Braniac... YOU brought him up. AND, the only reason Superman survived was because 1) Braniac/DD was toying with him, and 2) he wasn't even focused on Supes, but the child instead....

Originally posted by quanchi112
Dd can destroy Superman and earth just like Superman is capable of destroying the earth and DD. Any reasonable top tier is capable of wrecking the planet which doesn't prove much if anything.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You're upset I am right while you are wrong here.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I understand this but like I said the writer of hp agreed Superman at less than 100 percent power can best him and we've seen him do so after this as well without going all out.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was a matchup for Supes because he was scared and at the time Superman was less powerful than he is today. You take away the good old boy and make him crazy and set him on DD and he wins at 95 percent.

Originally posted by quanchi112
the same writer agreed Superman can resist the omega beams so you have nothing yet again. Another writer had him resist them in a ng book. Looks like I am right by the writer and can even link outside evidence to support my case.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I see DD being able to best Radiant and his attacks again but not any and every energy attack by everyone else. Think.

The being was comprised of pure energy... How the hell can energy be more effective than in it's purest form? Perhaps you should think, since y'know DD resist multiple high level being's energy attacks.

Waverider, Astro Force, Omega Beams... it wasn't limited to Radiant.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The writer agrees with my statements and Superman has gotten more powerful since hp. The evidence is flat out confirmed by the writer himself so live in denial all you want the writer agrees with me not you.

"Superman's stronger" is a nonsense argument that ignores the principle of feat-inflation as if it doesn't apply to other characters across the board.

Now seriously, HOW THE **** do you not understand the flaw in your logic(... if you can call it logic.)? Do you NOT understand that what Jurgens wrote and what he said... and what he said later are all opposing sides of polarity? Do you not understand that Jurgens HAS to run his ideas through a beurocratic system of checks and balances that make up the DC editorial staff, and that his idea of Superman being > HP DD wasn't one of the ideas that got through?

For God sakes, EVEN YOU have to realize that Jurgens ALSO had an interview in which he stated that Superman was quite literally MILLIONS of times stronger than Thor... If you want to take his interviews at face value in place of on panel evidence, then perhaps you should stuff that in your pipe and smoke it when you're sitting there trying to convince us that the Void is the end-all be-all.... 😐

Originally posted by quanchi112
DD had a gl ring. Context. DD doesn't have a gl ring here, k.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Dd was easily oneshotted by Imperiex, beaten by Superman in dd wars, beaten by him every time he shows up basically so continue to ignore the writer's statements because of your desires to put him on some other level but you are only hurting yourself.

Pretending DD REX is the same as HP DD to "put him on some other level" is "only hurting yourself"

Originally posted by quanchi112
False, the writer stated this and you deny it because you don't care about reality.

The dc comics support me as does the writer whereas nothing supports you.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Bfr is contingent on a set time limit. is this your first time on the boards? Ho wcan you be here this long and not understand what bfr actually means? It kinda makes sense though tbh with how you argue that you don't understand the rules here.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Eventually he runs into characters agin but he can't make it back to them on his own and some have come to him aka Superman, sport.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, because Hulk has no limits to his strength while DD does.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When you figure out what a bfr is and there's a time limit involved then get back to me. I mean wow and to still claim the Sentry can't make it back to him when he can fly and DD is just some foolish brick you don't even make sense by your own logic.

Originally posted by jinzin
Uh.... No... Superman has NEVER defeated Hunter Prey DD. He (at best) stalemated Doomsday during DOS and beat up on DD Rex..... Nowhere EVER did Superman beat DD... he stalled him at best and resorted to plot devices to remove DD from the situation. There's nothing hard to understand about this.. unless of course your name is quanchi I suppose.

Guess I'll say it once more in hopes that it sinks in... I wasn't talking about Braniac... YOU brought him up. AND, the only reason Superman survived was because 1) Braniac/DD was toying with him, and 2) he wasn't even focused on Supes, but the child instead....

God... you are so dense it staggers the mind....
Superman admitted that DD could destroy HIM... that was the important part. Superman was NOT capable of destroying DD after DOS.. period. There's no room for interpretation there... at all. He had several chances and help, AND amps... AND lost.

No you're delusional... you're sitting perfectly content there saying Superman is above the likes of HP DD which... like I said, boggles the mind. I would almost think you were simply trolling with statements like that IF I wasn't already aware of your reputation.

Uh... no... You've seen Superman defeat DD REX which is totally and completely opposite to HP DD... Again this isn't up for debate, nor left open to interpretation, it was flat out stated.
This thread is about HP DD and Superman NEVER beat him... not without dues ex machina at hand.

No... he was a matchup for Superman because he was a matchup for Superman plain and simple. Because that's what he was created to be. It was the entire purpose behind his inception. To insist otherwise is going beyond delusional into something else I don't even have a word for...

Is that why he had to be saved from in his last encounter with DS?
Again ON PANEL, in comparison, his arm went numb from being near the effects of the omega beams... you're ignoring on panel proof in substitution of your own ideas...

The being was comprised of pure energy... How the hell can energy be more effective than in it's purest form? Perhaps you should think, since y'know DD resist multiple high level being's energy attacks.

Waverider, Astro Force, Omega Beams... it wasn't limited to Radiant.

Like someone else stated before... He's gone through feat-inflation... Which isn't surprising, EVERY character has. Funny thing, so has DD. DD fought a limitless force of Gogs for 100 years straight, DD Rex was knocking Superman around like a rag doll until he "got scared" for no apparent reason, an extremely imperfect DD clone punched Superman over a mountain-range, it took two STRONGER versions of Superman to put DD REX away in IC, It took 15 Kryptonians to do the same later on.

"Superman's stronger" is a nonsense argument that ignores the principle of feat-inflation as if it doesn't apply to other characters across the board.

Now seriously, HOW THE **** do you not understand the flaw in your logic(... if you can call it logic.)? Do you NOT understand that what Jurgens wrote and what he said... and what he said later are all opposing sides of polarity? Do you not understand that Jurgens HAS to run his ideas through a beurocratic system of checks and balances that make up the DC editorial staff, and that his idea of Superman being > HP DD wasn't one of the ideas that got through?

For God sakes, EVEN YOU have to realize that Jurgens ALSO had an interview in which he stated that Superman was quite literally MILLIONS of times stronger than Thor... If you want to take his interviews at face value in place of on panel evidence, then perhaps you should stuff that in your pipe and smoke it when you're sitting there trying to convince us that the Void is the end-all be-all.... 😐

Uh YOU were talking about how easy it is to beat DD.. clearly that isn't the case... of course you have no problem bypassing context when Superman's using plot devices to rid himself of Doomsday.

Uh... again, you're completely ignoring HOW he was beaten (dur plot devices). And again using Imperiex as the pillar of your argument to lowball Doomsday is just beyond goofy. You really look like a clown right now.

Pretending DD REX is the same as HP DD to "put him on some other level" is "only hurting yourself"

Was it stated in a comic? No? Then I don't care. The REALITY is that IN COMICS HP DD>>>>>>>> Superman. Period.
In REALITY Jurgens also said Superman>>>>>>>>>Thor. So whichever you pick, it isn't a strong argument for you either way.

Uh no... The rules state that it's open to a "reasonable" amount of time to get back. There's no set time limit. It just has to be reasonable.

Funny how DD has found a way to navigate the cosmos every time he needed to. Funny how he finds a way off dying planets, or how Superman new he was going to get back to Earth if Superman didn't stop him. Funny how DD went around whackin Imperiex probes easily in space.... Funny how Superman TRIED to BFR DD and it failed... sport.

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In his first appearance he was stated to be getting stronger as the fight progressed...... 😕
Thanks for proving my point that you have no idea what you're talking about though.

You're pretending that BFR isn't an option for both parties, you're pretending that DD will be unable to figure out a way back to the fight in spite of an entire career of doing so..... You're pretending an interview takes more precedence over comic book material... NOW you're pretending Void and Sentry are the exact same thing? Wow.....

Jinzin the writer agrees with me not you so please quit living in your own little fantasy world.

Supes survived despite the intelligence and he failed in his mission and Superman prevailed so feel the burn.

Says the guy who thinks a brick who can't fly can bfr someone who can? Laughs and points. The writer disagrees with this as do I Superman in a fearful state of mind stated this and he has since gotten more powerful since then anywho.

I backed my statement up with the guy who wrote hp himself. That's called backing it up whereas you deny, deny, deny.

It was flat out stated on alvaro's board and is still up to see. The writer agrees with me not you.

You are calling me delusional even though I am using the writer's own words when asked about this sort of thing. You need to accept it and move on.

No, I am not and the last time he fought against Darkseid he used k-nite to get the drop on him which is completely different than being beaten by his omega beams.
Jurgens agrees Superman can resist the beams as well.

Radiant isn't the most powerful energy being out there and the manner in which he killed DD wasn't going to work but another being using more powerful attacks can best him. You have no idea about what you are talking about.

Imperiex also oneshotted him, he was beaten to death by Superman, failed despite having brainiac in his body with his mission, failed against every thing he's basically been up against. The writer of this wanked series states boldly Superman beats him to accept it.

He recanted those statements but he didn't recant the DD and Superman comparisons which even hurts your case more since he did recant something just not what you wanted. Oh yeah.

Quit bringing up feats with a gl ring it's not relevant, k.

Supes bested DD wars DD so who cares about Rex being scared of him.

This is the Sentry who is beyond DD at any level.

The writer told us his opinion so you wanked DD to no ends and the writer of the own comic disagrees with your wankfest. Superman is greater than DD at 95 percent power according to him.

What is reasonable to you? If sentry tosses him into space how long does it take DD to get back?

Because of the story and because of luck he can't just go where he wants to.

He's less than Superman so he has limits, bigtime.

People have sought out DD he comes back years later through some other means not through his own. Void bfrs him or rips him in half. Void 10/10.

It's the same character.

No...... just..... No...

Dude... Superman NEVER EVER beat HP DD.. Not in DDwars... NOT EVER. I already told you what happened. Superman jumped him, hit him all of three times and then "almost got his head taken off" with one punch when DD retaliated.... Then he had to use a plot device while the rest of the JL stalled him to take care of the threat. That's not a win. That's not even an impressive showing.

Originally posted by quanchi112

Supes survived despite the intelligence and he failed in his mission and Superman prevailed so feel the burn.

The only reason why Braniac's plans went awry is because DD literally expelled him out of his head. it wasn't because "ZOMG Supermanz gaives him soo muchmany problems in batterlls!" 😐

Now the rest of your post is just more circular crap we've already been over.

HP DD literally walked over every single thing in his path unless it was
A) A plot device.... or
B) Imperiex.....

Nothing else stood up to him, or opposed him in any manner that would lend your argument credence. You're being thickheaded. Simple as.

Jurgens wrote flat out that DD in DOS was designed to be a physical match for Superman. Again, TPB.

NOW once more, he ALSO said that Thor is MILLIONS of times weaker than Superman. So IF he was talking out his ass about that, you think possibly just possibly he may have been doing the same about HP DD in reguards to Superman? Of course not, because your a thick headed ingnorant person who wants to cherry pick his type of evidence while ignoring the only evidence that counts on these forums... I.E. COMIC BOOKS. Which FLAT OUT STATE HP DD is the stronger of the two, is the more powerful of the two, is the more dangerous of the two.

Jurgens statements are not even supported by his own writing. Superman TRIED to slice DD in half, he TRIED to turn DD's brains to jelly. He WAS trying to attack DD all out.. and he got owned, and had his arm compound fractured for his troubles.

Bottem line HP DD> Superman.
HP DD> Massively powerful energy attacks.
And using Imperiex in a sad attempt to lowball DD is STILL laughable at best.

As for BFR, we already know that DD is more than comfortable having a holy war that continues for 100 years stright with no issue. Being BFR'd does not remove him as a threat to the Void. And both characters can toss one another into space... both characters can also hold on to the other attempting to do so.

BFR is really the only option Void has of being able to get rid of DD... momentarily, but we both know DD will just be back sooner or later.. which is the problem, he will be able to make it back to the battlefield, and he will be looking for the means to do so until he does.
Void=/= Sentry... not even remotely sure how you think they're the same when that's once again the whole premise of the character being two halfs distinct from one another.

And void ripping DD in Half? LMAO.... he's Not Ares.... 😂

Long ass responses....I'm not even going to read them...

Void 9/10.

Stalemate

Originally posted by jinzin
No...... just..... No...

Dude... Superman NEVER EVER beat HP DD.. Not in DDwars... NOT EVER. I already told you what happened. Superman jumped him, hit him all of three times and then "almost got his head taken off" with one punch when DD retaliated.... Then he had to use a plot device while the rest of the JL stalled him to take care of the threat. That's not a win. That's not even an impressive showing.

Are you high? Is that your problem? Superman survived because Braniac/DD toyed with him and tossed him aside like trash while preoccupied with someone else entirely... Again, that's not some impressive feat for Superman, and it certainly doesn't help your ludicrous argument that Superman > Doomsday.

The only reason why Braniac's plans went awry is because DD literally expelled him out of his head. it wasn't because "ZOMG Supermanz gaives him soo muchmany problems in batterlls!" 😐

Now the rest of your post is just more circular crap we've already been over.

HP DD literally walked over every single thing in his path unless it was
A) A plot device.... or
B) Imperiex.....

Nothing else stood up to him, or opposed him in any manner that would lend your argument credence. You're being thickheaded. Simple as.

Jurgens wrote flat out that DD in DOS was designed to be a physical match for Superman. Again, TPB.

NOW once more, he ALSO said that Thor is MILLIONS of times weaker than Superman. So IF he was talking out his ass about that, you think possibly just possibly he may have been doing the same about HP DD in reguards to Superman? Of course not, because your a thick headed ingnorant person who wants to cherry pick his type of evidence while ignoring the only evidence that counts on these forums... I.E. COMIC BOOKS. Which FLAT OUT STATE HP DD is the stronger of the two, is the more powerful of the two, is the more dangerous of the two.

Jurgens statements are not even supported by his own writing. Superman TRIED to slice DD in half, he TRIED to turn DD's brains to jelly. He WAS trying to attack DD all out.. and he got owned, and had his arm compound fractured for his troubles.

Bottem line HP DD> Superman.
HP DD> Massively powerful energy attacks.
And using Imperiex in a sad attempt to lowball DD is STILL laughable at best.

As for BFR, we already know that DD is more than comfortable having a holy war that continues for 100 years stright with no issue. Being BFR'd does not remove him as a threat to the Void. And both characters can toss one another into space... both characters can also hold on to the other attempting to do so.

BFR is really the only option Void has of being able to get rid of DD... momentarily, but we both know DD will just be back sooner or later.. which is the problem, he will be able to make it back to the battlefield, and he will be looking for the means to do so until he does.
Void=/= Sentry... not even remotely sure how you think they're the same when that's once again the whole premise of the character being two halfs distinct from one another.

And void ripping DD in Half? LMAO.... he's Not Ares.... 😂

Yeah, he lost and Superman won.

DD didn't walk all over Superman he didn't even defeat him in hp. 😂

He still is a physical matchup for Superman but he favors Superman when he goes all out. So nothing I stated was wrong or exaggerated it all adds up whereas you want to ignore a writer's opinion simply because you like DD.

Jurgens corrected what was incorrect about his interview and left the DD/Superman comparisons as they were stated so he is fine with that but not fine with the thor/Superman power comparisons.

Superman didn't go all out in the comic have you read it?

Superman>DD according to the writer and based on how they have matched up and according to feat. Superman always prevails whereas DD always fails. Imperiex powers couldn't best a fully amped Superman while he oneshotted Dd like he was nothing because he's just top tier.

Sentry can fly back whereas DD just floats there kinda like he did in hp. That's a loss and on kmc battles don't take place for 100 years. I can't believe the sheer ridiculousness posted from yourself.

A bfr is a win here and he can also override his molecules and trear him in half. DD has no way of stopping the Void.

Void ripped an amped Loki in half so he's definitely ripping DD in half.

Quan you are wrong on almost every account. DD is superior to Superman in almost every encounter. He even makes Superman deplete his vast solar reserves just to keep up.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
Quan you are wrong on every account.

Quanchi owns me.

Quanchi owns me.

Going with Void.

Didn't he beat Molecule Man?

Originally posted by quanchi_is_homo
Quanchi owns me.

Let's get something correct Quan, You are saying Superman at 95% beats DD. But interesting to note that Superman was Depleted of His solar Energies fighting DD. So much so that he had no powers for a while and had to replenish his power. That would mean that he operated at 100% for a prolongued period of time. Operating at anthing less than 100% will not deplete Superma so utterly and completely. And this was the weaker DD. Before he evolved and became Greater. The last we saw, it took 15 Kryptonians to beat him to death.

Originally posted by quanchi112
DD failed to beat him and was defeated so yes Superman did beat DD since hp and the writer even agrees in that story if Superman went nuts he'd favor him.

Yeah, he lost and Superman won.

DD didn't walk all over Superman he didn't even defeat him in hp. 😂

He still is a physical matchup for Superman but he favors Superman when he goes all out. So nothing I stated was wrong or exaggerated it all adds up whereas you want to ignore a writer's opinion simply because you like DD.

Jurgens corrected what was incorrect about his interview and left the DD/Superman comparisons as they were stated so he is fine with that but not fine with the thor/Superman power comparisons.

Superman didn't go all out in the comic have you read it?

Superman>DD according to the writer and based on how they have matched up and according to feat. Superman always prevails whereas DD always fails. Imperiex powers couldn't best a fully amped Superman while he oneshotted Dd like he was nothing because he's just top tier.

Sentry can fly back whereas DD just floats there kinda like he did in hp. That's a loss and on kmc battles don't take place for 100 years. I can't believe the sheer ridiculousness posted from yourself.

A bfr is a win here and he can also override his molecules and trear him in half. DD has no way of stopping the Void.

Void ripped an amped Loki in half so he's definitely ripping DD in half.

I'm going with the Void, evil Bob takes a healthy majority against Doomsday.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
Quan you are wrong on almost every account. DD is superior to Superman in almost every encounter. He even makes Superman deplete his vast solar reserves just to keep up.

Originally posted by lightyeargee
Let's get something correct Quan, You are saying Superman at 95% beats DD. But interesting to note that Superman was Depleted of His solar Energies fighting DD. So much so that he had no powers for a while and had to replenish his power. That would mean that he operated at 100% for a prolongued period of time. Operating at anthing less than 100% will not deplete Superma so utterly and completely. And this was the weaker DD. Before he evolved and became Greater. The last we saw, it took 15 Kryptonians to beat him to death.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
The only person here with less credibility than Jurgens is you.

^ Starlin wrote when Thanos was outclassed by Odin.

Jurgens wrote when Thanos admitted he lost to Odin.

vin

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Starlin wrote when Thanos was outclassed by Odin.

Jurgens wrote when Thanos admitted he lost to Odin.

vin

^ When a person is losing, that doesn't mean they stalemate. When two people are evenly matched, that is a stalemate. This is English, motherf@cker, do you speak it?

sam

And misinformed as Jurgens may have been we all know that "Jurgens wrote it so say what you will I [quanchi112] side with the guy who actually wrote the story that's overhyped."

Can't argue with yourself...

... or can you? Again? vin

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ When a person is losing, that doesn't mean they stalemate. When two people are evenly matched, that is a stalemate. This is English, motherf@cker, do you speak it?

sam

And misinformed as Jurgens may have been we all know that "Jurgens wrote it so say what you will I [quanchi112] side with the guy who actually wrote the story that's overhyped."

Can't argue with yourself...

... or can you? Again? vin

Jurgens didn't write blood and thunder, sport.