Originally posted by quanchi112
The writer didn't backpedal. He gave his opinion which is consistent with the comic and we saw Superman do much better against DD in DD wars so it makes perfect sense. You misinterpreted the comic no surprises here and you want to ignore the writer because you really like Doomsday.
Originally posted by quanchi112And even then it didn't make sense. DD resisted the OE, the Radiant, Waverider... there's no logic to how Imperiex did what he did, they just needed him out of the way, it's the very definition of PIS.... and that's only if you're going to assume it was the same attack at the same level..... If you think that..... you're literally taking a position on Superman being more durable than HP Doomsday..... Do I even need to BEGIN to explain to you what's wrong with that?
1.No, what I am saying is DD was dismissed like nothing whereas Superman sundipped was unaffected by Imperiex's power. Doesn't bode well for DD.
In any case you using Imperiex as a pillar for your Void argument is utterly absurd.
Originally posted by quanchi112
2.No, he hasn't. He resisted the omega beams which aren't anywhere near as formidable as MM's powers or the control he has over these powers.
Originally posted by quanchi112
3.No, I am not I am saying anyone who can destroy an amped Loki while taking on the avengers is simply beyond Superman whereas DD isn't up to him at 95 percent all out.
Nevermind Gog wars.
Originally posted by quanchi112Dude you're flat out ignoring ON PANEL context for backpeddling interviews unsupported by even a fraction of retcon. You're continuing to argue that DD can't take on Superman.. the sheer position of which is mind boggling to begin with. You're being a complete clown. DD did so while fighting DS.
4.No, he hasn't. Give me an example of him doing so because you seem to be wrong about everything with regards to this thread so give me an example.
Originally posted by quanchi112Worked wonders for Superman... 😕
5.Sentry can fly DD cannot. Big difference. I mean you can't be serious here.
They can both BFR, don't be silly.
Originally posted by quanchi112It's totally clear... even though he was created as a Superman killer by design and consistently beat the crap out of Superman with help, with amps, with both... "Dur but Jurgens says nu-uh"... Yeah? Well that's not what's in the comics...
6.Did I stutter? No, I mean it's clear DD is less than an all out Superman per the writer of this story and I disagree Superman could take the Hulk at 95 percent power all out.
You just called Hulk> Doomsday... you're an asshat. 😐
Originally posted by jinzinBrainiac in his own body isn't Dd. So I have no idea where or why you feel you can use this as a showing for Dd alone. Wow.
Uh no.... we saw him get straight owned by a Braniac using his body and toying with Supes... And then we saw him get completely railed when DD took back over... So yeah, backpeddling interviews< Actual on panel comic context. He wasn't depowered in that comic, he was suped up, deail with it.And even then it didn't make sense. DD resisted the OE, the Radiant, Waverider... there's no logic to how Imperiex did what he did, they just needed him out of the way, it's the very definition of PIS.... and that's only if you're going to assume it was the same attack at the same level..... If you think that..... you're literally taking a position on Superman being more durable than HP Doomsday..... Do I even need to BEGIN to explain to you what's wrong with that?
In any case you using Imperiex as a pillar for your Void argument is utterly absurd.
He resisted beams designed to eradicate things out of existance.... Though you can feel free to "nu-uh" this all you like.
Uh no.. that's not what you were saying at all.. but since you feel the need to run onto another tangent entirely..... Okay.... Your opinion. Cap beat up an amped Loki... DD already beat on Superman easily who was being backed by a powerful version of the JL... There's really no looking at that and coming to the conclusion that DD's the weaker of the two. 😐
Nevermind Gog wars.
Dude you're flat out ignoring ON PANEL context for backpeddling interviews unsupported by even a fraction of retcon. You're continuing to argue that DD can't take on Superman.. the sheer position of which is mind boggling to begin with. You're being a complete clown. DD did so while fighting DS.
Worked wonders for Superman... 😕
They can both BFR, don't be silly.
It's totally clear... even though he was created as a Superman killer by design and consistently beat the crap out of Superman with help, with amps, with both... "Dur but Jurgens says nu-uh"... Yeah? Well that's not what's in the comics...
You just called Hulk> Doomsday... you're an asshat. 😐
Superman defeated him at the end so again I have no idea what you are saying.
Jurgens wrote hp so in hp DD he wasn't unbeatable and he favored him less than Superman at 95 percent power level going all out.
DD resisted the omega beams. I have heard other writers and seen Superman resist it as well. Again, Superman seems superior to DD.
Radiant beat him once and of course he resisted it the second time because he previously died from it.
So you want to dismiss all of Superman's showings and just focus on the ones where it paints DD in a more favorable light, right?
No, it shows how easily DD can be beaten and has been beaten.
So has Superman and Seid's beams are far from anywhere near as formidable as they used to be.
DD can still be beat by an all out Superman whereas Void is simply a team wrecker. The guy has been portrayed as beyond an earth resistance force which consisted of reed and strange. DD isn't.
I am using the writer's opinion about his own work and you ignoring it and ignoring how easily he's been beaten since this is foolish.
How can DD put him anywhere he can't return? I mean that's like me claiming Hulk bfr's Superman. Don't be this foolish.
Hulk is greater than DD who is less than Superman t 95 percent power from hp.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Brainiac in his own body isn't Dd. So I have no idea where or why you feel you can use this as a showing for Dd alone. Wow.
In a book where multiple people confirm that the single blow alone was something Superman was lucky to walk away from AFTER Superman himself readily admits that Doomsday would destroy Earth AND himself.
How you could even begin to REMOTELY think DD wars supports your assinine suggestion's concerning DD's inferiority to Superman is nothing short of astounding, in the worst possible sense of the word. 😐
Originally posted by quanchi112I know you don't.. Just as you clearly have "no idea" as to the relivence of a plot device and what irrelivence such a thing has here on the forums.
Superman defeated him at the end so again I have no idea what you are saying.
Originally posted by quanchi112Yes... Jurgens wrote HP.... a book where Jurgens had Superman flat out stating he was stronger than ever, period. The TPB has statements from Dan also stating that the inception of DD was to have a villain be a complete physical match for Supes. And multiple references in the story have characters stating that Superman is no longer a physical match for Doomsday..... You can't just sit there telling me that the sky is brown when I can clearly look up and see that it's blue.
Jurgens wrote hp so in hp DD he wasn't unbeatable and he favored him less than Superman at 95 percent power level going all out.
Originally posted by quanchi112
DD resisted the omega beams. I have heard other writers and seen Superman resist it as well. Again, Superman seems superior to DD.
Radiant beat him once and of course he resisted it the second time because he previously died from it.
Radiant was made of pure energy... If energy in it's purest form got cancelled out by Doomsday, you don't see any problem with DD going out to an energy attack?
Originally posted by quanchi112I'm not dismissing anything as of yet. Again, the ENTIRE PREMISE of Doomsday is that he's more favorable than Superman. You can't sit there and argue that Superman's stronger, more durable, and better than DD when their ENTIRE relationship between one another proves otherwise. Not hints, not suggests... PROVES.
So you want to dismiss all of Superman's showings and just focus on the ones where it paints DD in a more favorable light, right?
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it shows how easily DD can be beaten and has been beaten.
Easily?
It took the entire Green Lantern Corps to fight Doomsday and they lost, it killed a Guardian just to stop him.
It took the entire energy of all the elders of a new god like planet to stop DD.
It took the end of time to stop DD.
It took a BS plot device teleporter to stop DD.
Losing to Superman in DOS was one of the weaker losses he has under his belt that you can sit there and say with a straight face how "easy" it is to beat DD, much less HP DD.... I question if credibility is even something you care about on these boards.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So has Superman and Seid's beams are far from anywhere near as formidable as they used to be.DD can still be beat by an all out Superman whereas Void is simply a team wrecker. The guy has been portrayed as beyond an earth resistance force which consisted of reed and strange. DD isn't.
I am using the writer's opinion about his own work and you ignoring it and ignoring how easily he's been beaten since this is foolish.
How can DD put him anywhere he can't return? I mean that's like me claiming Hulk bfr's Superman. Don't be this foolish.
Hulk is greater than DD who is less than Superman t 95 percent power from hp.
As I said already, you can sit there and continue to insist that DD is < than Superman but ALL OF DC comicdom proves you utterly wrong.
For one show me this interview that shows Dan Jurgens saying what you're claiming he said, and two, go back and get a TPB copy of HPDD to see what he said about DD there. "Physical match for Superman" "Someone Superman could BARELY beat" (keeping in mind that was DOS DD). And finally... READ HUNTER PREY. You can go on and on and on about shit that doesn't mean ANYTHING written in interviews post facto but the sheer fact of the matter is that ON PANEL, IN CONTEXT, DURING HUNTER PREY, Superman was at his peak, stronger than before, and suped up. And he got beat.
How you can sit there knowing full well that DD was batting around one of the strongest JL teams and be content claiming Void is a "team wrecker" is just... baffling. Really.... it is.
Good Lord.... Doomsday evacuated Apokolips TWICE just by showing up. The whole of the JL supported by New God tech didn't do that.
BFR isn't contingent on a set time limit... If DD is capible of getting back he will. And so far we've seen him get to his targets across time and space pretty much... well everytime he's had one. 😐
Again, worked for Superm--- Doh!
Again, you claim Hulk is greater than Doomsday and have the nerve to call me foolish? 😂
Amusing... truly.
Originally posted by jinzinNo, I'm not slow you appear to be. Superman defeated DD at the end and held his own against DD without going all out like jurgens described him.
I didn't... you did... What are you? Slow?
YOU are the one who brought it up. Y'know when you tired to convince me that DDwars proves your point on Superman being > DD or depowered during HP.
DD wars does nothing..absolutely NOTHING to support ANY of your position... all we see there is DD/Braniac toy with Superman while completely no selling him. THEN LATER, after DD expells Braniac he once again blasts Superman away with one punch after no selling his attacks....In a book where multiple people confirm that the single blow alone was something Superman was lucky to walk away from AFTER Superman himself readily admits that Doomsday would destroy Earth AND himself.
How you could even begin to REMOTELY think DD wars supports your assinine suggestion's concerning DD's inferiority to Superman is nothing short of astounding, in the worst possible sense of the word. 😐
I know you don't.. Just as you clearly have "no idea" as to the relivence of a plot device and what irrelivence such a thing has here on the forums.
Yes... Jurgens wrote HP.... a book where Jurgens had Superman flat out stating he was stronger than ever, period. The TPB has statements from Dan also stating that the inception of DD was to have a villain be a complete physical match for Supes. And multiple references in the story have characters stating that Superman is no longer a physical match for Doomsday..... You can't just sit there telling me that the sky is brown when I can clearly look up and see that it's blue.
Yes with Darkseid at full power, with a sneak attack, and a follow up to boot. Superman stating that his arm went numb just from feeling the effetcs of the Omega beams on someone else.. doesn't exactly make him look superior IMO... Not sure how you could come to any other conclusion, other than straight bold faced willful ignorance.
Radiant was made of pure energy... If energy in it's purest form got cancelled out by Doomsday, you don't see any problem with DD going out to an energy attack?
I'm not dismissing anything as of yet. Again, the ENTIRE PREMISE of Doomsday is that he's more favorable than Superman. You can't sit there and argue that Superman's stronger, more durable, and better than DD when their ENTIRE relationship between one another proves otherwise. Not hints, not suggests... PROVES.
Easily?
It took the entire Green Lantern Corps to fight Doomsday and they lost, it killed a Guardian just to stop him.
It took the entire energy of all the elders of a new god like planet to stop DD.
It took the end of time to stop DD.
It took a BS plot device teleporter to stop DD.
Losing to Superman in DOS was one of the weaker losses he has under his belt that you can sit there and say with a straight face how "easy" it is to beat DD, much less HP DD.... I question if credibility is even something you care about on these boards.The ONLY versions of DD that could be beaten by Superman were DOS DD... not in this thread..
And DD REX.... Not in this thread....As I said already, you can sit there and continue to insist that DD is < than Superman but ALL OF DC comicdom proves you utterly wrong.
For one show me this interview that shows Dan Jurgens saying what you're claiming he said, and two, go back and get a TPB copy of HPDD to see what he said about DD there. "Physical match for Superman" "Someone Superman could BARELY beat" (keeping in mind that was DOS DD). And finally... READ HUNTER PREY. You can go on and on and on about shit that doesn't mean ANYTHING written in interviews post facto but the sheer fact of the matter is that ON PANEL, IN CONTEXT, DURING HUNTER PREY, Superman was at his peak, stronger than before, and suped up. And he got beat.
How you can sit there knowing full well that DD was batting around one of the strongest JL teams and be content claiming Void is a "team wrecker" is just... baffling. Really.... it is.Good Lord.... Doomsday evacuated Apokolips TWICE just by showing up. The whole of the JL supported by New God tech didn't do that.
BFR isn't contingent on a set time limit... If DD is capible of getting back he will. And so far we've seen him get to his targets across time and space pretty much... well everytime he's had one. 😐
Again, worked for Superm--- Doh!Again, you claim Hulk is greater than Doomsday and have the nerve to call me foolish? 😂
Amusing... truly.
Brainiac is a very smart opponent which has nothing to do with DD in his own body. Superman still was resourceful enough to figure a way out to survive against DD with the mind of a more intelligent foe than himself.
Dd can destroy Superman and earth just like Superman is capable of destroying the earth and DD. Any reasonable top tier is capable of wrecking the planet which doesn't prove much if anything.
You're upset I am right while you are wrong here.
I understand this but like I said the writer of hp agreed Superman at less than 100 percent power can best him and we've seen him do so after this as well without going all out.
He was a matchup for Supes because he was scared and at the time Superman was less powerful than he is today. You take away the good old boy and make him crazy and set him on DD and he wins at 95 percent.
the same writer agreed Superman can resist the omega beams so you have nothing yet again. Another writer had him resist them in a ng book. Looks like I am right by the writer and can even link outside evidence to support my case.
I see DD being able to best Radiant and his attacks again but not any and every energy attack by everyone else. Think.
The writer agrees with my statements and Superman has gotten more powerful since hp. The evidence is flat out confirmed by the writer himself so live in denial all you want the writer agrees with me not you.
DD had a gl ring. Context. DD doesn't have a gl ring here, k.
Dd was easily oneshotted by Imperiex, beaten by Superman in dd wars, beaten by him every time he shows up basically so continue to ignore the writer's statements because of your desires to put him on some other level but you are only hurting yourself.
False, the writer stated this and you deny it because you don't care about reality.
The dc comics support me as does the writer whereas nothing supports you.
Bfr is contingent on a set time limit. is this your first time on the boards? Ho wcan you be here this long and not understand what bfr actually means? It kinda makes sense though tbh with how you argue that you don't understand the rules here.
Eventually he runs into characters agin but he can't make it back to them on his own and some have come to him aka Superman, sport.
Yes, because Hulk has no limits to his strength while DD does.
When you figure out what a bfr is and there's a time limit involved then get back to me. I mean wow and to still claim the Sentry can't make it back to him when he can fly and DD is just some foolish brick you don't even make sense by your own logic.
Originally posted by quanchi112Void isn't unbeatble,unBFRable or unkillable.He's just hard to do all that then DD
No, the fight is not a stalemate nor has ever been a stalemate. Dd is not unbeatble, nor unbfrable, nor unkillable.Void beats him every single time they match up. Void can't be beaten by DD.
You don't get a lot of things.
You need to first read up on a character if you want to do a battlezone.
1.There's no way for the Void to lose a single matchup. Punching and kicking won't get the job done.
2.In another thread you argued for time stoppage which has never ever happened in a combat scenario yet here once isn't enough times? Hypocritical much?
3.Then don't say Void ever loses to DD,
4.Alright?
5.DD doesn't have Thor's powers and the Void could get back to the battlfield. If Thor can easily bfr him why not bfr him off of asgard? Wow.
6.Your reasoning never makes any sense.Yes, I do but I doubt you do since his powers were unable to best a sundipped superman and since the Void is a lot more powerful and can reform there's no way for imperiex to beat him.
If he wants to come back he can come back just like he did after MM completely destroyed him.
I don't get the battlezone.Thats it.I know enough that odin beats void.
I said I didn't read up on him...what?A month ago.What makes you think I haven't.
1: DD can probably pull one mabye two wins.No more then that though.
2: Ok I wont argue time stop again.You have me there.
3: He might lose once or twice
4: Huh?
5: So because he doesn't BFR him that means he can't?
6: I think your thinking of yourself
Can't even beat sundipped supes?Void couldn't beat him either.Imperiex would stomp him.
Originally posted by BadabingSo he can come back by someone thinking of him?How?
DD can come back just from somebody remember him.
Originally posted by Omega Vision😂
I'm not talking about Void, Sherlock.
Originally posted by Black bolt zAgainst Dd he is. there is no way for Dd to beat him and you still don't know what bfr means I take it.
Void isn't unbeatble,unBFRable or unkillable.He's just hard to do all that then DDI don't get the battlezone.Thats it.I know enough that odin beats void.
I said I didn't read up on him...what?A month ago.What makes you think I haven't.
1: DD can probably pull one mabye two wins.No more then that though.
2: Ok I wont argue time stop again.You have me there.
3: He might lose once or twice
4: Huh?
5: So because he doesn't BFR him that means he can't?
6: I think your thinking of yourselfCan't even beat sundipped supes?Void couldn't beat him either.Imperiex would stomp him.
So he can come back by someone thinking of him?How? 😂
Your posts make me think you haven't.
1.How does DD beat him one time?
2.We are making progress and glad you agree you were using a double standard there.
3.How?
4.I can't even remember nor I am looking back to figure it out. Prolly just another concession on your part.
5.It means DD has no way to bfr him since he can fly and since DD can't. Wowsers.
6.You agree with me while I have never agreed with you.
Nope, sorry you are wrong yet again.
Originally posted by quanchi112DD can beat him once mabye twice.BFR mean battle field removal.Get a life.
Against Dd he is. there is no way for Dd to beat him and you still don't know what bfr means I take it.Your posts make me think you haven't.
1.How does DD beat him one time?
2.We are making progress and glad you agree you were using a double standard there.
3.How?
4.I can't even remember nor I am looking back to figure it out. Prolly just another concession on your part.
5.It means DD has no way to bfr him since he can fly and since DD can't. Wowsers.
6.You agree with me while I have never agreed with you.Nope, sorry you are wrong yet again.
Obivously you don't interpret things well.
1: BFR,mabye a lucky adaption
2: Get a life.
3: See 1
4: You said alright?To what?Your confusing me.None of your posts make sense
5: So because he can fly that means he can't be BFR'd?Wow...the pinnicle of stupid.
6: You agree with me too.We both agree void beats DD and we both agree IG beats UN.We just don't agree on the reasons.
No your wrong.Imperiex stomp void.Imperiex stomp thanos.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0A resistance to not being able to fly 😂
Void throws H/P Doomsday into the Sun.Unless somebody can convince me that H/P Doomsday develops a resistance to... not being able to fly??? ... Void wins via BFR.
This is an interesting Debate.I'd probably give round 1 to Void.The Void's "infini-tendrils" gives him long range attacks against Doomsday.Add the fact the Void can just stay in the air and keep attacking Doomsday.Also the Infini-tendrils has the ability to make victims experience traumatic vision of past,present and future when they get impaled.The Void will make Doomsday experience the countless times he was killed courtesy of the infini-tendrils.
Round 2.This 1 I don't know.Again, the Void can just stay in the air and keep attacking Doomsday.Although this time, Doomsday might have adapted to the Voids infini-tendrils.
Originally posted by Black bolt zHe can't bfr him since he's just a brick who can't fly. Get. A. Clue.
DD can beat him once mabye twice.BFR mean battle field removal.Get a life.Obivously you don't interpret things well.
1: BFR,mabye a lucky adaption
2: Get a life.
3: See 1
4: You said alright?To what?Your confusing me.None of your posts make sense
5: So because he can fly that means he can't be BFR'd?Wow...the pinnicle of stupid.
6: You agree with me too.We both agree void beats DD and we both agree IG beats UN.We just don't agree on the reasons.No your wrong.Imperiex stomp void.Imperiex stomp thanos. A resistance to not being able to fly 😂
1.Proof, why of course you don't.
2.This isn't necessary.
3.So no proof again? My lucky day.
4.I said alright hours ago and now I can't remember nor do I care.
5.When one character can fly and the other can't the nonflyer has no way to bfr the flyer. Do you write your password on your hand so you can remember how to log in here?
6.Void doesn't lose a match and you think a brick who can't fly ca bfr him so I am still convinced you don't know much outside a wiki search on these characters.
Not on either.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He can't bfr him since he's just a brick who can't fly. Get. A. Clue.1.Proof, why of course you don't.
2.This isn't necessary.
3.So no proof again? My lucky day.
4.I said alright hours ago and now I can't remember nor do I care.
5.When one character can fly and the other can't the nonflyer has no way to bfr the flyer. Do you write your password on your hand so you can remember how to log in here?
6.Void doesn't lose a match and you think a brick who can't fly ca bfr him so I am still convinced you don't know much outside a wiki search on these characters.Not on either.
Originally posted by lightyeargeeThe guardians are a foolish bunch and waverider and Superman weren't that formidable. The shocker to me was why didn't Darkseid bfr him off the planet despite tapping his resources against DD. Superman resisted them as well.
If BFR were an easy Option,Why did the sky fathers known as the Gaurdians, BFR DD without sacrficing one of their own? Or Wave Rider didn't stop DD in time for ever? Why didn't DS simply Teleport DD away. Because His teleport Beams have never been resisted?
Sentry could resist them too and can bfr DD quite easily.