Originally posted by quanchi112When did I say DD could win?I said DD can't win.Either void wins or endless stalemate IMO.
Void can't lose here which means DD can't win. We've seen DD defeated since hp along with the writer admitting he can be outright beaten to death.DD faced a pyschologically weakened Superman who was far less powerful and I have the writer of this comic admitting at 95 percent power level he beats DD all out.
Void would stomp him as
1.There's no way for him to ever defeat the Void.
2.The Void can MM him.
3.Void can rip him in half.
4.Void can keep coming back.
5.Void can bfr him.
6.Void can destroy him at a safe distance with tentacles.
1: Yes he can.Just not in the amout of time it would take for void to kill him
2: No
3: He heals
4: Same for DD
5: See 4
6: I might give you that.
Void wins(odds are)but it's in no way a stomp.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Void would erase that version of Superman easily. I'm also pretty sure Jurgens comments indicate that Doomsday wasn't necessarily more powerful than Superman but far more rutheless, and Clark's own mentality hindered him.He beat up Darkseid. Not impressed. And wasn't that explained as an Avatar or one of his servants?
The Entropic collapse of the Universe was not the only thing able to beat Doomsday. It was simply the only option Superman and co had available.
The Void would erase Doomsday and scatter his molecules.
That'd be the only option Void has... yknow... assuming that DD adapting/overcoming the OE has no relivence on his resistance to such an attack.
Jurgens in interviews? Because in the actual comic book it was made quite clear that Doomsday was multitudes superior to Clark, supported again during DDwars.
Darkseid fans like to spout that it was... I haven't see any evidence to suggest it... not to say it doesn't exist. I just haven't seen it.
It was the only option available to Superman Darksied Waverider and all of Apokilips... If there was another way of beating DD, energy beings and the whole of the GL corps had yet to figure out how to do it...
The arguments saying DD "adapts" telepathic abilities to beat the void are pretty farfetched, its similar to suggesting he "adapts" energy manipulation powers against the Surfer or Thor. During Hunter Prey, what form of "adapting" did DD on the fly aside his bone potrusions shooting out or his ear canals getting covered to protect from ultrasonics? Him simply resisting and surviving the Omega beams and blasts from Supermans heat vision and whatnot dont constitute, "adapting" and likely are examples of him simply tanking high level energy attacks. Against radiant he had to die to become outrightly immune to his energy.
He really has little way to avoid the MM treatment. and his attacks cant put void down.
Originally posted by Naija boyI simply love how you say there is little evidence DD will evolve other than the one time you think he did it but yet Void will assuredly use his MM attack when he has only done so once. How about DD uses Voids MM attack against him ala Waveriders Chronal attack being taken,adapted, and reversed.
The arguments saying DD "adapts" telepathic abilities to beat the void are pretty farfetched, its similar to suggesting he "adapts" energy manipulation powers against the Surfer or Thor. During Hunter Prey, what form of "adapting" did DD on the fly aside his bone potrusions shooting out or his ear canals getting covered to protect from ultrasonics? Him simply resisting and surviving the Omega beams and blasts from Supermans heat vision and whatnot dont constitute, "adapting" and likely are examples of him simply tanking high level energy attacks. Against radiant he had to die to become outrightly immune to his energy.He really has little way to avoid the MM treatment. and his attacks cant put void down.
Originally posted by lightyeargee
I simply love how you say there is little evidence DD will evolve other than the one time you think he did it but yet Void will assuredly use his MM attack when he has only done so once. How about DD uses Voids MM attack against him ala Waveriders Chronal attack being taken,adapted, and reversed.
lol.....Errr NO. the reason i mentioned the two times DD did evolve, was to show that the nature of his evolution was ABSOLUTELY nothing like whats being suggested here. And hence to show that he has never shown evolution on the fly up to the level that people are advocating. It was not to discount the ability just by virtue of the amount of times it has happened or dispute the presence of his ability to evolve on the fly in and of itself. It had to do with the extent to which this abiliity is being overblown and inflated.
Now in regards to the waverider thing, iirc what happened is that wave rider tried to screw up DDs nervous system but with DD being just a solid form of mass with no internal organs whatsoever this failed and he received a feedback which knocked him out. That does not consititute being adapted and reversed and is certainly not a basis for him somehow reversing Voids MM attack back upon him.
Originally posted by Naija boyUM all of Wave Riders powers are time based.
lol.....Errr NO. the reason i mentioned the two times DD did evolve, was to show that the nature of his evolution was ABSOLUTELY nothing like whats being suggested here. And hence to show that he has never shown evolution on the fly up to the level that people are advocating. It was not to discount the ability just by virtue of the amount of times it has happened or dispute the presence of his ability to evolve on the fly in and of itself. It had to do with the extent to which this abiliity is being overblown and inflated.Now in regards to the waverider thing, iirc what happened is that wave rider tried to screw up DDs nervous system but with DD being just a solid form of mass with no internal organs whatsoever this failed and he received a feedback which knocked him out. That does not consititute being adapted and reversed and is certainly not a basis for him somehow reversing Voids MM attack back upon him.
Originally posted by Black bolt zSo you just contradicted yourself again.
When did I say DD could win?I said DD can't win.Either void wins or endless stalemate IMO.1: Yes he can.Just not in the amout of time it would take for void to kill him
2: No
3: He heals
4: Same for DD
5: See 4
6: I might give you that.Void wins(odds are)but it's in no way a stomp.
1.How?
2.Why not?
3.He comes back eventually but for the purposes of the thread he'd lose if he were ripped in half.
4.Void can come back immediately whereas DD cannot.
5.You don't know what bfr means do you?
6.You have no choice to give me that.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKingDon't say things you don't mean.
Enough with this nonsense. I challenge you to a battlezone. My champion Odin Vs You and your champion Thanos.When: 6/7/10
Originally posted by jinzinI know who he is just like the man who wrote the comic and his opinion is supported by mine.
:lI'll ask what someone already asked earlier in this thread... Do you know WHO HP Doomsday even is? Seriously..... Cause I'm beginning to think either you A.) Don't.... Or... B.) Do but ignore that for self serving nonsense....
Superman was 100% AND enhanced with New God tech..... He got uberstomped like a child. There's no arguing that.
Even Rex was batting Supes around like a child on one occasion (til he lost his confidence *cough* BS plot device*cough*), and it took 2 Supermen to beat him on another.
1. There's no way for Void to ever effectively defeat Doomsday.
2. No he can't.
3. Worked wonders for Superman... except for the part where DD's HF glued him back together in 2 seconds.
4. Doomsday can keep coming back.
5. Doomsday can BFR him.
6. No he can't. DD isn't Hulk.
Superman was less powerful in the story and scared and didn't go out like he is capable of which was explained by the writer when asked. You can continue to make things up and pretend he was more uber but both myself and the writer disagree with you.
1.Laughs uncontrollably. DD is an ineffective brick who was oneshotted like an insignificant speck against Imperiex. Void can beat him in a variety of different ways.
Superman already beat him to death once.
2.Yes, he most certainly can. If you think he can't then prove it, sport.
3.Superman isn't capable of what the Void is capable of. Void with ease ripped in half an amped Loki like he was nothing.
4.Once DD dies he loses the thread as he can't come back within the time limit. Do you even know the rules?
5.Hahahahahahahaaha. DD gets bfr'd. He's a brick who just attacks he doesn't bfr and the Sentry is a lot faster, has flight, and can bfr DD quite easily whenever he wants to. he could rip his head off ala Morgana.
6.You're right he's far less than the Hulk. The Hulk wouldn't go down to a 95 percent Superman going all out.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So you just contradicted yourself again.1.How?
2.Why not?
3.He comes back eventually but for the purposes of the thread he'd lose if he were ripped in half.
4.Void can come back immediately whereas DD cannot.
5.You don't know what bfr means do you?
6.You have no choice to give me that.Don't say things you don't mean.
I know who he is just like the man who wrote the comic and his opinion is supported by mine.
Superman was less powerful in the story and scared and didn't go out like he is capable of which was explained by the writer when asked. You can continue to make things up and pretend he was more uber but both myself and the writer disagree with you.
1.Laughs uncontrollably. DD is an ineffective brick who was oneshotted like an insignificant speck against Imperiex. Void can beat him in a variety of different ways.
Superman already beat him to death once.
2.Yes, he most certainly can. If you think he can't then prove it, sport.3.Superman isn't capable of what the Void is capable of. Void with ease ripped in half an amped Loki like he was nothing.
4.Once DD dies he loses the thread as he can't come back within the time limit. Do you even know the rules?
5.Hahahahahahahaaha. DD gets bfr'd. He's a brick who just attacks he doesn't bfr and the Sentry is a lot faster, has flight, and can bfr DD quite easily whenever he wants to. he could rip his head off ala Morgana.
6.You're right he's far less than the Hulk. The Hulk wouldn't go down to a 95 percent Superman going all out.
Originally posted by lightyeargeeImperiex could not be dealt with by Imperiex the same way. The same power really didn't do much if anything to a sundipped Superman yet DD was defeated like he was just an afterthought.
You act as if Void would have any chance at all against Imperiex. DD getting pwned By Imperiex is not a low feat. Geesh the way you debate is astounding. How do you count that as a low ball? OMG. The rest of your post is more of the same.
Void would come back unlike DD who is just a mindless brick.