NaruHina or NaruSaku?

Originally posted by killermover
Kisame is both manly and awesome and he beat Kumo Bros.(Bee by fighting, and A by tricking him).

Blacks just don't belong in shounen.

We know that stats don't dictate a ninja's true potential, I used the databook for the entry sentences for characters which are cannon.

Kisame is jabberjaw. Nothing more or less.

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Stats dictate the persons skill level in each area. And cumulatively, Sakura has always been superior. The only factor she has over her is Taijutsu I think, which is a given considering Hyuuga is a taijutsu clan.
Also, you keep throwing out the word potential as if it means something. Sakura had potential too. Difference is, Sakura has made far greater use of it.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Kisame is jabberjaw. Nothing more or less.

😕

Stats dictate the persons skill level in each area. And cumulatively, Sakura has always been superior. The only factor she has over her is Taijutsu I think, which is a given considering Hyuuga is a taijutsu clan.
Also, you keep throwing out the word potential as if it means something. Sakura had potential too. Difference is, Sakura has made far greater use of it.

Stats are never consistant with credible feats in the manga. Sakura has one stat point in skill ahead of Hinata yet she hasn't applied them to anything relevant, example is the skirmish betwen cloud nins which she got owned in.

Hinata technically has no feats worth credible manga wise yet the anime dictates her skills above of Sakura's. It would also show that since Hinata has minor screen time, the stats are moot compared to the overall feats of the characters shown in the manga, Sakura exxagerrated stats surpass or on par with base Naruto and thats bullshit.

The potential hinata has is greater because since we have no base of her potential in manga, we have to observe from the anime which she has shown greater feats like hitting Deva Pain and using her byukugan to read attacks more complex than her own.

Besides, Sakura isn't a combat ninja, only support. Hinata should surpass her in fighting abilites since she's based on taijutsu.

Originally posted by killermover

1. Hinata's databook said she had latent potential, considering the twin lion fists are a jutsu that act just like Rasnagan and the chakra is shaped into a manipuated form of jyuuken. It's safe to say it's her own creation. Because in this manga original techniques often have a special advance spial manipulation to them like Kirin and raiton wolf which ninja create using thier own innovative experience.

That still doesn't point to the technique being her own. ermm

And the anime isn't canon. No one cares about what she can do in filler.

You're looking for things that support your view and interpreting them in a way that does so, not actually examining it from an ubiased perspective.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
That still doesn't point to the technique being her own. ermm

And the anime isn't canon. No one cares about what she can do in filler.

You're looking for things that support your view and interpreting them in a way that does so, not actually examining it from an ubiased perspective.

Hinata attack is obviously self made, the databook correlates to this by called her growth pure and potent like a Primerose.

My view is no biased than yours. Reason is I believe Kishimoto won't develop Hinata because he knows he created the tools nessary to surpass most male ninjas even her father which is a no no in the manga. Therefore Sakura can't meet the standard of being the strongest Kunoichi if Hinata develops like she does in anime episodes.

Originally posted by killermover
[B]Unbiased, the anime is cannon in a sense it shows more than the manga and explains it with full elaboration than the manga. Oh and who cares about what you care?

You shouldn't throw around words that you don't know the meaning of, in an an attempt to make me look bad. It weakens your credibility.

Anyway, Kishimoto will neglect Hinata and the other side characters till this manga ends so I might as well use a showing thats close to the manga and adds more to the characters true abilites, because Kishimoto is a crap writer and poor pacer.

The manga doesn't even show Sakura's skills outside of one fight, might as well use the anime for credible evidence.

No, not really. Hinata has just as much screen time as the majority of the other side characters, hell Temari has only had two on-screen fights in the entire manga, but just the those two fights are enough to show that she's one of the strongest kuonichi in the series, and stronger then a lot of the men as well. It's not a matter of lack of screen time. The problem is that you don't like how the manga portrays her, it goes against how you view her. If it was reversed, and the manga showed her to be this incredibly powerful and skilled fighter, and the anime only showed her as being weak, you would ignore the anime completely, and probably even justify ignoring it by stating that it's not canon, when in reality it would be because it doesn't support your view on the matter; that's called "cognitive dissonance".

I'm not going to tell you to not use the anime, and I can't jump out of your monitor and slap you for doing so, so all I'm gonna say on the matter is that if you want to use the anime to justify yourself, fine. But, it's obvious to everyone else that as far canon is concerned, Hinata is not stronger then Sakura.

Originally posted by killermover
Databook is cannon. Anime is an extention to the cannon the author portrays, even in filler. Kishimoto's borrowed from filler from the anime as well.

Hinata attack is obviously self made, the databook correlates to this by called her growth pure and potent like a Primerose.

My view is no biased than yours. Reason is I believe Kishimoto won't develop Hinata because he knows he created the tools nessary to surpass most male ninjas even her father which is a no no in the manga. Therefore Sakura can't meet the standard of being the strongest Kunoichi if Hinata develops like she does in anime episodes.

That's nice, none of that is proof though. That's your cognitive dissonance, like with chilled_bannana.

Originally posted by killermover
Kisame is badass shark man who pwns black people and doesn't afraid of anything.

Stats are never consistant with credible feats in the manga. Sakura has one stat point in skill ahead of Hinata yet she hasn't applied them to anything relevant, example is the skirmish betwen cloud nins which she got owned in.

Hinata technically has no feats worth credible manga wise yet the anime dictates her skills above of Sakura's. It would also show that since Hinata has minor screen time, the stats are moot compared to the overall feats of the characters shown in the manga, Sakura exxagerrated stats surpass or on par with base Naruto and thats bullshit.

The potential hinata has is greater because since we have no base of her potential in manga, we have to observe from the anime which she has shown greater feats like hitting Deva Pain and using her byukugan to read attacks more complex than her own.

Besides, Sakura isn't a combat ninja, only support. Hinata should surpass her in fighting abilites since she's based on taijutsu.

Kisame is Jabberjaw. Except not as cool.

Stats seem consistent to me in regards to Sakura. She has always been described as a smart girl who lacks in physical combat. So the stats concerning her make sense, since she has been training with Tsunade. And that attack was somewhat of a surprise on their part and in a sense, you're downplaying the Cloud Nin. This was the Team Raikage sent out to find information on Sasuke and Bee after all.

Hinata has nothing. I refuse to watch filler which doesn't count. And she managed to slightly touch Deva Path(who in the anime, has durability feats so ridiculously presented that it certainly didn't register that it hit him) I think those states were taken before the Pain fight, aka why Naruto's are so low that they tie with Sakura. And you brought the databook into it so you should have expected this a while ago.

Sakura had great potential in part 1 but she amounted to less than shit. At the end of Part 1, she starts training and actually putting use to her talent. Hinata, compared to the rest of the Hyuuga seen in the series, shows the least amount of skill. So no, really gonna have to convince me that a character with so much potential is better than a character who had potential as well but instead of letting it waste, actually used it.

Sakura has been shown in combat before. She is also a well trained medic. She can play both roles. But yes, of the 2, she has shown that during her training that she prioritized her medical skills. Hinata has actually done more as a scout, rather than a taijutsu fighter. Wasn't it you that said her Byakugan had a larger range than Neji and that made her a better scout? Also, Neji seems her superior in combat so I think its clear which position Hinata holds on a team.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Kisame is Jabberjaw. Except not as cool.

Sakura has been shown in combat before. She is also a well trained medic. She can play both roles. But yes, of the 2, she has shown that during her training that she prioritized her medical skills. Hinata has actually done more as a scout, rather than a taijutsu fighter. Wasn't it you that said her Byakugan had a larger range than Neji and that made her a better scout? Also, Neji seems her superior in combat so I think its clear which position Hinata holds on a team.

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Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
You shouldn't throw around words that you don't know the meaning of, in an an attempt to make me look bad. It weakens your credibility.

No, not really. Hinata has just as much screen time as the majority of the other side characters, hell Temari has only had two on-screen fights in the entire manga, but just the those two fights are enough to show that she's one of the strongest kuonichi in the series, and stronger then a lot of the men as well. It's not a matter of lack of screen time. The problem is that you don't like how the manga portrays her, it goes against how you view her. If it was reversed, and the manga showed her to be this incredibly powerful and skilled fighter, and the anime only showed her as being weak, you would ignore the anime completely, and probably even justify ignoring it by stating that it's not canon, when in reality it would be because it doesn't support your view on the matter; that's called "cognitive dissonance".

I'm not going to tell you to not use the anime, and I can't jump out of your monitor and slap you for doing so, so all I'm gonna say on the matter is that if you want to use the anime to justify yourself, fine. But, it's obvious to everyone else that as far canon is concerned, Hinata is not stronger then Sakura.

Sakura for main female doesn't even have the feats to surpass Temari or Ten Ten but she stronger than most kunoichi if thats the case(but thats because Kunoichi never get hyped).

I never said Hinata was stronger than Sakura, I just said she maybe the stronger potential of the two.

But hell I got databook and it says her potential is still blooming and growing, it never says Sakura has potential atune to a Sakura pedal or her power are hidden with potential, it just says she's a cherry blossom changing.

Originally posted by killermover
[B]First of all, the manga makes all the female character look bad.

You mean like Temari, right? The currently undefeated kuonichi who's stronger then all the other kunoihchi in the series so far and many of the men even though she only has two showings to her name?

Hinata is the least shown of the female rookies after Ino and she never has the chance to shine like the others accept when Naruto is present. Naruto is the only reason Kishimoto bothers to develop her. Her feats pale to Sakura in the manga because obviously, Kishimoto is biased against Team 7 than other teams accept maybe Team 12. But anyway, anime is the only cannon that gives me confidence Hinata has stronger potential than Sakura.

Excuses, and again proving my point that the problem is that you don't want to accept Kishi's idea of her. If Kishimoto wanted Hinata to be seen as some sort of skilled fighter he would have gone out of his way to do so; he hasn't. Making excuses or trying to explain why he hasn't doesn't change the fact that he hasn't. What he has portrayed her as, is a weakling with a lot of heart and a very pure and heroic personality.

But hell I got databook and it says her potential is still blooming and growing, it never says Sakura has potential atune to a Sakura pedal or her power are hidden with potential, it just says she's a cherry blossom changing.

All very poetic, doesn't mean much though.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
[B]You mean like Temari, right? The currently undefeated kuonichi who's stronger then all the other kunoihchi in the series so far and many of the men even though she only has two showings to her name?B]

Temari was beaten by Shikamaru, forfeit be damned, he was perfectly able to beat her, something she knew, he just would not be able to fight the rest of the matches.

As for the strongest kunoichi, that's a bullshit statement and you know it.

She would lose handily to Tsunade, and the Kirikage would crush her as well based on what few showings she has. Konan... She is probably stronger than Temari, she just had the misfortune of her only real fight being against Jiraiya. Hell, you would be hard-pressed to argue she could beat Sakura, when you consider the fact that Sakura has fought opponents far more powerful than anything Temari has.

Temari has only fought and beaten Tenten when she was a genin, and she beat Tayuya who had already been fighting for a while. Not that Tayuya was even all that impressive, considering that her and the rest of the Sound Four had to release their level two Cursed Seals just to beat two Tokubetsu Jounin whom were already weary from a mission. So... Temari's wins do not put her nearly on the level as the best in the series, unless you were arguing that she is just above the Konoha 11, which would make more sense and I would probably agree with for the most part (Based on showings her only rival being Sakura). Though based on your wording, that does not seem to be the case.

Although seriously, based on actual showings, Sakura outstrips Hinata easily, Hinata is one of my favorite characters but has yet to fight anyone who has not outright demolished her.

Temari 'could' beat Tsunade imo. If she kept her distance theres not much Tsunade could do. Maybe her slug could do something I guess.

Although this prospect makes me sad. Tsunade should be better by default.

What would Temari do if Tsunade summoned the giant slug? 😐

This is a real question.

The slug wasn't really that impressive actually (like seriously, did it do anything?). Temari's destructive capablities could probably get it before it does anything. The best thing it could do that I can think of is have Tsunade hide behind it while she tries to get in close.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The slug wasn't really that impressive actually (like seriously, did it do [b]anything?). Temari's destructive capablities could probably get it before it does anything. The best thing it could do that I can think of is have Tsunade hide behind it while she tries to get in close. [/B]

This would do what to the slug now? 😐

It definately will not kill it.

Well the weasel completely levelled a forest area larger than the size of old sluggy. Those trees were probably harder than it. It would at least hurt it. Plus the slug only has healing capabilities from what I saw and not a very combat practical one either. I doubt it would do much. I mean, whats it going to do, slime her?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well the weasel completely levelled a forest area larger than the size of old sluggy. Those trees were probably harder than it. It would at least hurt it. Plus the slug only has healing capabilities from what I saw and not a very combat practical one either. I doubt it would do much. I mean, whats it going to do, slime her?

The slug can break into many pieces and reform, it is probably the hardest summon to injure.

Also, larger than the slug? I do not remember the forest area that it cut being all THAT large, honestly.

Slug could serve as distraction, for who would not be distracted by hundreds of slugs, and then Tsunade would pop Temari's head like a pimple with one punch.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Blax, we all know this is not true. 😐

Temari was beaten by Shikamaru, forfeit be damned, he was perfectly able to beat her, something she knew, he just would not be able to fight the rest of the matches.

As for the strongest kunoichi, that's a bullshit statement and you know it.

She would lose handily to Tsunade, and the Kirikage would crush her as well based on what few showings she has. Konan... She is probably stronger than Temari, she just had the misfortune of her only real fight being against Jiraiya. Hell, you would be hard-pressed to argue she could beat Sakura, when you consider the fact that Sakura has fought opponents far more powerful than anything Temari has.

Temari has only fought and beaten Tenten when she was a genin, and she beat Tayuya who had already been fighting for a while. Not that Tayuya was even all that impressive, considering that her and the rest of the Sound Four had to release their level two Cursed Seals just to beat two Tokubetsu Jounin whom were already weary from a mission. So... Temari's wins do not put her nearly on the level as the best in the series, unless you were arguing that she is just above the Konoha 11, which would make more sense and I would probably agree with for the most part (Based on showings her only rival being Sakura). Though based on your wording, that does not seem to be the case.

Hahahaha, no. All these "maybe's" and "couldas". I am the walrus mother****er.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Hahahaha, no. All these "maybe's" and "couldas". I am the walrus mother****er.