Cross-Genre Match #1: Vegeta vs Thor

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Heh.

The little scuffle you just saw between Thor and the ship? That took place while they were moving at speeds multiple times faster than light.

Edit:I looked again but all I saw was thor flying FTL(which I know he can do)and throwing his hammer while in FTL.I'm not saying its not impressive I just haven't seen(if this is the right words)thor in a ninja type fight with ninja type moves type of fistfight that vegeta does constantly.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
I kinda get it but kinda don't.It said that the ship was moving at several times the speed of light but in the fight I didn't see anything that thor was moving(or even the ship)at FTL.

Edit:I looked again but all I saw was thor flying FTL(which I know he can do)and throwing his hammer while in FTL.I'm not saying its not impressive I just haven't seen(if this is the right words)thor in a ninja type fight with ninja type moves type of fistfight that vegeta does constantly.

I understand. You have the same problem Starscream has. Your all about artistic representation. If the artist decided to draw a few blurred after images, you guys would be having an orgasm over this feat.

Thor engaged and reacted in combat while moving faster than light. Hence Thor can engage and react in combat at speeds faster than light.

It's irrelevant whether you chose to accept it or not.

Dialogue/Narration > Art

The trench dig is... maybe the one most credible speed feat Thor has that can be contributed to fighting speed.

The micro-second feat is nutswinging at it's finest pretending like multiple streets don't pull off the same crap on a daily basis.

Same with Thor striking the ground, landing one hit within a compressed frame that fast is common fair for street levels. 😬

Finally.. those last scans.... Don't really see Thor fighting successfully at such speeds... He may be traveling at such speeds (pretty sure we all alreadey knew he did) but definitely not fighting at them.. y'know giving how he gets blasted by an energy bolt. 😬
Then he lets his hammer do the talking.... None of that proves that Thor's even remotely NEAR what the Z senshi are capible of.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I understand. You have the same problem Starscream has. Your all about artistic representation. If the artist decided to draw a few blurred after images, you guys would be having an orgasm over this feat.

Thor engaged and reacted in combat while moving faster than light. Hence Thor can engage and react in combat at speeds faster than light.

It's irrelevant whether you chose to accept it or not.

Dialogue/Narration > Art

Originally posted by jinzin
The trench dig is... maybe the one most credible speed feat Thor has that can be contributed to fighting speed.

The micro-second feat is nutswinging at it's finest pretending like multiple streets don't pull off the same crap on a daily basis.

Same with Thor striking the ground, landing one hit within a compressed frame that fast is common fair for street levels. 😬

Finally.. those last scans.... Don't really see Thor fighting successfully at such speeds... He may be traveling at such speeds (pretty sure we all alreadey knew he did) but definitely not fighting at them.. y'know giving how he gets blasted by an energy bolt. 😬
Then he lets his hammer do the talking.... None of that proves that Thor's even remotely NEAR what the Z senshi are capible of.

🙂

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Dialogue/Narration > Art

Originally posted by jinzin
None of that proves that Thor's even remotely NEAR what the Z senshi are capible of.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Thats not what I'm looking for.I'm look for like the ninja type attacks or defenses that vegeta does on a constant basis.The fast volley of punches and kicks shown to move extremely fast.I still have yet to see that.Some of what I have seen is very good proof that thor can move fast.Very fast.I still just hope to see something along the lines of the type of melee combat that vegeta and other DBZ characters engage in.

thor's speed is one of those major issues of contention on kmc, with both sides pretty much convinced that the other side is totally wrong.

Originally posted by Starscream M
vegeta doesn't have those feats, or else they would've been shown looong time ago.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
begging to be fixed

sure, but was it canon to the manga? that's the dilemma here

Originally posted by Starscream M
I've never been this happy to see you!!! Finally, someone else who can see my point of view regarding thor's speed.

🙂

Originally posted by Mindset
Which are?

Originally posted by Starscream M
Didn't thor recently say wolverine was too fast for him iirc?

Yes and?

If you want to low ball, even someone like Superman is slower than a street.

When someone of Thor's level of strength/power takes on a street, their other attributes like speed take a dive. It's only natural.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Thats not what I'm looking for.I'm look for like the ninja type attacks or defenses that vegeta does on a constant basis.The fast volley of punches and kicks shown to move extremely fast.I still have yet to see that.Some of what I have seen is very good proof that thor can move fast.Very fast.I still just hope to see something along the lines of the type of melee combat that vegeta and other DBZ characters engage in.

Unfortunately, Thor has never been one to be drawn with those blurry lines you gentlemen are so fond off. Maybe one day, but not currently. His raw power and strength is his most highlighted attribute. When speed is required, it's used and then swiped under the rug until the next necessary incident.

I'll finish replying to all the "lulz" worthy responses tomorrow, I'm starting a MWF 2 tournament with my boys.

Thor's stories are, or at least were, largely based around heroic dialogue and mythical narration, with accompanying pictures, to best represent the stories they interpret, and the mediums that they attempt to blend.

DBZ, on the other hand, is more akin to what a handful of developmentally repressed adults can come up with given a few hours of bright lights, kung fu movies and maybe a little cocaine. That is, it's all about WOWZ! expressions and more motion lines than you can shake a stick at.

You can't attempt to compare characters from what are entirely alien genres without realizing the differences, and acknowledging that despite some common artistic representation in one, it need not be present in the other in order for the characters to be equal.

It wouldn't be hard to turn Thor's old comics into entirely paperback novels with mostly the narration, and if that were the case, there wouldn't be the same speed argument. The doubt seems to rest upon people who are stuck on the lack of DBZ style fights in Thor comics, which is a really astoundingly stupid argument to make.

I mean, I realize it can be argued that Thor may be slower due to a lack of feats, but not due to a lack of motion lines.

Cue "THE AFTER IMAGES!!!!" response.

Good night.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yes and?

If you want to low ball, even someone like Superman is slower than a street.

When someone of Thor's level of strength/power takes on a street, their other attributes like speed take a dive. It's only natural.

when has superman or any other herald level, when facing a street, claim that the street was too fast or too strong for them?

There's the issue.... That's not really lowballing.

Thor doesn't have the feats to suggest he can fight at FTL speeds, that's really all there is to it.
And, he DEFINITELY doesn't have the consistency to suggest the speed feats he DOES have are common fair. 😬

But what Thor does have are dozens and dozens of fights with people like Hulk, Namor, Thing, Herc, Bor, Crusader, Bloodaxe,Wrecker etc etc etc.. in which he fights like a typical brick with average speed... well maybe above average for a brick but definitely not streeters...

He's often bewildered by quick foes like Spiderman, Mongoose (zomg), Cap, and yeah recently Wolverine.

This isn't Superman we're talking about, we don't have Superman put up against multiple people at this level and unable to respond with super speed or flat out calling low level meta's faster than him. That people keep comparing Thor and Supes like they're the same character is mind boggling.

Thors typically portrayed as an average-speed fighter with fast reaction times and FTL flight speed... that's not the same level of the Z fighters and one or two instances of him close-lining people with actual speed who are running in straight patterns doesn't change that, the same way it doesn't make Batman the Flash.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Thor's stories are, or at least were, largely based around heroic dialogue and mythical narration, with accompanying pictures, to best represent the stories they interpret, and the mediums that they attempt to blend.

DBZ, on the other hand, is more akin to what a handful of developmentally repressed adults can come up with given a few hours of bright lights, kung fu movies and maybe a little cocaine. That is, it's all about WOWZ! expressions and more motion lines than you can shake a stick at.

You can't attempt to compare characters from what are entirely alien genres without realizing the differences, and acknowledging that despite some common artistic representation in one, it need not be present in the other in order for the characters to be equal.

It wouldn't be hard to turn Thor's old comics into entirely paperback novels with mostly the narration, and if that were the case, there wouldn't be the same speed argument. The doubt seems to rest upon people who are stuck on the lack of DBZ style fights in Thor comics, which is a really astoundingly stupid argument to make.

I mean, I realize it can be argued that Thor may be slower due to a lack of feats, but not due to a lack of motion lines.