Atheism

Originally posted by inimalist
to be honest, philosophy of science and atheism are incredibly related in the way I understand both.

EDIT: it is exactly questions like those we are discussing that brought me to, and reinforce to me, that there is almost certainly no God.

Or you have to redefine the word God.

Ah, so much to say; so little patience to type it.

into such a being whose existence is trivial, not worthy of worship and/or problematic for humanity

Originally posted by inimalist
into such a being whose existence is trivial, not worthy of worship and/or problematic for humanity

All part of the redefining. 😉

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
All part of the redefining. 😉

sure, but there is still zero evidence of this redefined god, it just isn't incongruent with observed reality [to the degree that the more physical god would be]

Originally posted by inimalist
sure, but there is still zero evidence of this redefined god, it just isn't incongruent with observed reality [to the degree that the more physical god would be]

It depends... what do the laws of physic describe?

don't take "physical" too literally

Originally posted by inimalist
don't take "physical" too literally

Why? 😕

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Why? 😕

ok, just change it for "sit in the clouds type"

Originally posted by Deadline
Ok what point are you trying to make? All I did was give a defintion of supernatural.

Thank you for the input in the discussion, inimalist and Shakymunison.

Originally posted by King Kandy
His point was that your definition was highly flawed.

OMIGODZ MY DEFINITION WAS FLAWED!!!!111 😱

Originally posted by inimalist

fair enough, my point was more that you gave a definition of supernatural that also includes a large number of natural things, just those that individuals may either not understand or personally wish to describe as supernatural

Fair enough but I've seen those defintions in dictionaries I think they assume that we know the things they are talking about eg ghosts, gods, miracles etc.

Youtube's QualiaSoup and TheraminTrees put things often very clear

YouTube video

That was awesome.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That was awesome.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Youtube's QualiaSoup and TheraminTrees put things often very clear

Nicely done. Could be clearer in spots. Loved the bubble-popping sequence.

I feel like i've had that exact conversation with Shaky every debate for the past year.

That video was amazing.

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Great video. It shines more light on how judgmental religious zealots can be. I like the part where he suggested that you ask more questions to find out more about an INDIVIDUAL. Individual beliefs vary so greatly and there is a lot of wisdom that can be derived learning about someone.

He did say that there is an idea that a perfect being wouldn't need worship. Is it not logical to suggest that the difference between wants and needs apply here? Consider me someone who has been taught that the Bible is true. In order for me to cast my teachings into the trash I must be made aware that I and those who taught me were deceived. I'm aware that deception exists so I must stay open to the ideas of others and reject ignorance as a haven.

The irresolvable part explains my stance. The Bible can be challenged but many of the challenges placed against what it says are irresolvable. Where it stands up to challenges is as important to making a logical decision as any other search for truth. The guy really isn't lying about the shameful way that atheists are treated. I even wondered at one point whether atheists just wanted to sin free and clear. Now I realize that they may be more responsible due to their feeling totally responsible for their actions. Enlightening.