Originally posted by WhiteWitchKingFirst off, you can't expect Tyrant to have the feats the Odin does, because he has far far less appearances. Yet you're trying to use that as some kinda of proof of something in relation to power levels. That is simply a fallacy. Lack of proof isn't proof. What we did see from Tyrant was very impressive and gives us a very good idea about what he is capable. He was originally made in Galactus image… true he was depowered but still exponentially more powerful than any other herald. He was vast more amounts of PC than surfer… so it would be safe to assume how versatile he could also be with the power cosmic, on top of being more powerful. He one shot surfer plain and simple. Just because he got up awhile after doesn't change that fact. He got up, only to be one shotted again. Tyrant took out with ease… the team of BRB, Surfer, Gladiator, JOH, Terrax and Morg. All of them were a joke compared to Tyrant and we was never in danger. He then proceeds to take on Thanos… and get the better of him. Then he took on Galactus and got the better of him. Those are his only showings and that is a very impressing showing. He has no low feats or losses. Galactus who RARELY feeds before battle.. SPECIFICALLY fed.. and fed on a planet ripe with nutrients and specifically said he had felt this good in a long time. That is how much respect he had for Tyrant and his power. I doubt he would feed if he knew he was going to fight Odin. In fact, he's acted condescend to Odin when speaking about him. Let's not forget he backed down the first time he encountered Tyrant and let him take HIS herald because he feared the collateral damage to the galaxies that would occur. All this speak volumes about Tyrant and his power level.
He proves that he could last against Odin if Odin resorted to blast and no other abilities. Knock down? He didn't even move Odin in their with while he knocked Tyrant around when they fought. He could last if these two were paired up and Odin used out blasts. If he's paired with Void, he's going to be occupied taking out Void. Odin beats Tyrant and it's back to Odin Vs Thanos.He temporarily one-shots Surfer but he didn't stay down long at all. While Tyrant is occupied with the others, Surfer gets up and continues to fight again. His eyes couldn't take out Gladiator either.
Odin one-shotted Drax and Surfer. Both were down the entire fight. And Surfer was suppose to "fight" by Thanos' side. A poisoned Odin k.o.ed Ulik in a one-shot punch. A weakened Odin also one shotted Annihilus when Thor failed to beat him.
He didn't fear Tyrant. He stood up to him as he had wanted. He never said anything about being killed. Tyrant tried and failed to do so and Thanos got the fight he wanted and left. The orb was his prize in that fight.
Thanos knocking Tyrant around shows how weaker Tyrant is compared to Odin. Unless he gained some kind of power up, the fight with Odin was in (1994 Feb) while his fight with Tyrant was (1994 August). It wasn't that far apart. How is Tyrant more powerful than Odin when Thanos knocked him around and yet failed to even move Odin?
Except Tyrant had centuries more prep. And in direct combat without prep, he couldn't put down Thanos and was getting knocked around by him. He took several shots to take down Surfer and Gladiator. Odin did far better against Surfer and Thanos.
Wrecking the cosmos
- His fight with Seth, Egyption god of Death
- Against Forsung
- Against Infinity/his dark self tapping into the abstract Infinity
- He didn't wreck the cosmos against Surtur but Surtur did destroy the galaxy that belonged Beta Ray Bill's people to forge the Twilight Sword to kept Odin from accessing his full might during their fight.One-shot k.o. top tiers
- Surfer (out for the entire fight)
- Drax
- Annihilus (while Odin was weak)
- Ulik (with just a punch while poisoned by Thanos' clone)Beat
- Seth
- Beat down Hela easily
- While dead, he saved King Thor from Hela again
- Forsung, Leader of the Enchanters
- Led Asgard in defeating Zelia and the Dark Gods in their first meeting*Broke through Thanos' force block, something that Thor with PG couldn't. The same Thor that fought Thanos to a near stand still.
His galaxy wrecking feats are still far more than what Tyrant or Thanos have displayed. Who's Thanos defeated that's comparable to Odin's wins? He beat Maker who was crazy. He knocked Galactus momentarily. He knocked Tyrant around but never won. That's pretty much Thanos' winning records. His true wins come from beating heralds and high end tiers. Odin one-shots even when weak. Tyrant hasn't done much comparable to Odin. Tyrant taps into Cosmic Power at best while Odin has tapped into Infinity.
His fight with Thanos was among his lower showing. He dragged Forsung across the cosmos and beat him. Against Thanos, he throw some meteors. LOL. Even Surfer can throw meteors around.
You can't get around the fact that Thanos left and knew he was beaten and would end up being killed if he stayed any longer against Tyrant. He never once, not once back down from Odin, nor leave the scene. He was ready to continue the fight and was charging his hands up ready to go. Against Tyrant…. he knew he had no chance. Using Thanos solely as a barometer… it's safe to say… he felt the power of both, and felt Tyrant was more dangerous. No two ways about it. On panel facts via narration and depiction.
You talk about Thanos moving around Tyrant and not odin. Did you forget that Thanos WASN'T wanting to fight Odin but did go looking to engage Tyrant. You don't see a difference there? One he's not wanting to fight and needs the help of this person (odin) trying to fight him. The other he goes looking to test his might. Vastly difference circumstances and one that logically changes how you fight. You don't try and kill or KO somebody you need help from. You need their help or else this other threat (thor pg) is going to break free and run rough shot over everything. You don't try and KO that person. To me it seemed and logically it adds up… that Thanos was just trying to prove he can take what Odin can dish out and keep coming. Prove he could walk right through one of his best shots like it was nothing. He didn't have to… he couldn't shielded it … but decided to walk right through it. That fight was about Thanos showing he can take what Odin can dish out and won't back down. Tyrant…. he went looking for the fight and knew he was beaten and leaving.
Point is, Thanos would do better against Odin this time around.. and this seems like an easy win for team one imo. Tyrant is slightly more powerful than Odin imo and that is a good fight. In the end though team one is too much.
Originally posted by lightyeargee
Where are Tyrant's slighty more powerful feats than Odin? Tyrant isn't any more powerful than say, a gaurdian.
Do you feel it's a prerequisite to have slightly more powerful feats in order to be more powerful? There numerous exactly of this not needing to be so. Furthermore, did you miss the line where I mentioned that Tyrant has far far fewer showings than Odin? As you know, you need showings to have feats. That being said, Tyrant getting the better of Galactus, who is a stronger foe than anyone Odin has beaten says a lot by itself. To say nothing of the fact that he has no low showings, and the showings he does have, he's looked powerful and beaten quality people.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiTyrant had prep against Galactus. We already know Galactus Depowered Tyrant so to suggest that Tyrant just got the better of Galactus with no background info is silly. Surtur forged a sword out of a galaxy. I'd say that up there and beyond anything Tyrant has done. Odin>>Surtur.
Do you feel it's a prerequisite to have slightly more powerful feats in order to be more powerful? There numerous exactly of this not needing to be so. Furthermore, did you miss the line where I mentioned that Tyrant has far far fewer showings than Odin? As you know, you need showings to have feats. That being said, Tyrant getting the better of Galactus, who is a stronger foe than anyone Odin has beaten says a lot by itself. To say nothing of the fact that he has no low showings, and the showings he does have, he's looked powerful and beaten quality people.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
First off, you can't expect Tyrant to have the feats the Odin does, because he has far far less appearances. Yet you're trying to use that as some kinda of proof of something in relation to power levels. That is simply a fallacy. Lack of proof isn't proof. What we did see from Tyrant was very impressive and gives us a very good idea about what he is capable. He was originally made in Galactus image… true he was depowered but still exponentially more powerful than any other herald.
Even with his on panel feat, how can you say he's more powerful than Odin? Really? He couldn't down any of them in one-shot. What he's done is impressive, but not that impressive compared to Odin. Him being more powerful than heralds mean squat nothing since Thanos is exponentially more powerful than heralds and he couldn't even budge Odin. What herald has even given Thanos a fight in the slightest?
He was vast more amounts of PC than surfer… so it would be safe to assume how versatile he could also be with the power cosmic, on top of being more powerful. He one shot surfer plain and simple.
Just because he got up awhile after doesn't change that fact. He got up, only to be one shotted again. Tyrant took out with ease…
LOL. What? He blasted Surfer out of the way then turned his attention towards then others and Surfer flew right back to the fight. How's that a one-shot? Knocking an oppoent back isn't one-shotting if they get up moments later and attack you. I guess Odin one-shotted Thanos too huh seeing as Odin backhanded him. But seeing as there are no other opponent in the battle so Odin's focus is still on Thanos after he gets up, I guess you're that's not a one-shot huh?
Thanos punched Odin to no affect and got back handed with EASE. A poisoned Odin k.o.ed Ulik in one shot with EASE. Let's see Thor do that.
the team of BRB, Surfer, Gladiator, JOH, Terrax and Morg. All of them were a joke compared to Tyrant and we was never in danger.
How does any of this prove he's greater than Odin in power? A weakened Odin one-shot Annihilus, who Thor couldn't beat, out of Asgard. None of these people would a thing to Odin. Both Drax and Surfer were taken out of the fight in one shot each. Unlike Odin, Tyrant took several attacks to put them down.
He then proceeds to take on Thanos… and get the better of him.
The difference being Thanos knocked him around.
Then he took on Galactus and got the better of him. Those are his only showings and that is a very impressing showing. He has no low feats or losses. Galactus who RARELY feeds before battle.. SPECIFICALLY fed.. and fed on a planet ripe with nutrients and specifically said he had felt this good in a long time. That is how much respect he had for Tyrant and his power. I doubt he would feed if he knew he was going to fight Odin.
Oh, so the guy that had centuries to plan against Galactus is some how impressive? So he directly fought Galactus like he did Thanos? Lol. Galactus specifically coming into this knowing Tyrant had prepped for him so he tries to even things out by coming in replenished.
You do remember Thanos (after the power up in the End) needing shields to protect himself against Galactus and still got his butt kicked? That Thanos was more powerful than the one that stood up to Tyrant. Thanos and Tyrant got into a scuffle and Tyrant couldn't put him down while Galactus crushed his shields and made Thanos squeal.
Last thing, Odin has tapped into Infinity before. That trumps Tyrant's non-fight with Galactus.
In fact, he's acted condescend to Odin when speaking about him. Let's not forget he backed down the first time he encountered Tyrant and let him take HIS herald because he feared the collateral damage to the galaxies that would occur. All this speak volumes about Tyrant and his power level.
Lol. Because Odin was prepping against Galactus right? Galactus talks b.s. about a lot of people. Remember what happened to Galactus in Godhunter when Beta Ray Bill was destroying all the planets Galactus was going to eat? Galactus was a shriveling by that point and feared his own death. Tyrant without prep for an opponent couldn't put Thanos down.
You can't get around the fact that Thanos left and knew he was beaten and would end up being killed if he stayed any longer against Tyrant.
He left because he got what he wanted. He was their to prove himself and he did. He stood up to Tyrant. That was the whole point. Tyrant had his chance and failed. He didn't leave because he's afraid of death, the guy welcomes death.
He never once, not once back down from Odin, nor leave the scene. He was ready to continue the fight and was charging his hands up ready to go. Against Tyrant…. he knew he had no chance. Using Thanos solely as a barometer… it's safe to say… he felt the power of both, and felt Tyrant was more dangerous. No two ways about it. On panel facts via narration and depiction.
He never backed down to Tyrant at all. He even goaded Tyrant who was shocked at what he thought was insanity. Thanos wanted a fight to prove himself and did - then left.
You talk about Thanos moving around Tyrant and not odin. Did you forget that Thanos WASN'T wanting to fight Odin but did go looking to engage Tyrant. You don't see a difference there? One he's not wanting to fight and needs the help of this person (odin) trying to fight him. The other he goes looking to test his might. Vastly difference circumstances and one that logically changes how you fight. You don't try and kill or KO somebody you need help from. You need their help or else this other threat (thor pg) is going to break free and run rough shot over everything. You don't try and KO that person. To me it seemed and logically it adds up… that Thanos was just trying to prove he can take what Odin can dish out and keep coming. Prove he could walk right through one of his best shots like it was nothing. He didn't have to… he couldn't shielded it … but decided to walk right through it. That fight was about Thanos showing he can take what Odin can dish out and won't back down. Tyrant…. he went looking for the fight and knew he was beaten and leaving.
He fought Odin because he knew Odin angry. Him not wanting to K.O. Odin is meaningless since he never moved Odin once. Needing Odin's help doesn't mean he'll just let Odin beat him down. Why do you think he and Surfer attacked Odin. He blasted Odin several times and did nothing. You think he was just trying to tickle him? The sad thing is he couldn't do a thing to him at all even though he tried. He ran into Thor and was kicking him around with every punch thrown. He runs into Odin and couldn't even move him. His block which he resorted to hold Thor failed against Odin. His restraint attempt failed horribly against Odin.
But I according to you, Thanos is one to eat dirt and take it right? It's not about whether or not he wanted to K.O. Odin. He looked for a challenge there as well. Why do you think he wanted to help Thor? It was a challenge for him too. To solve warrior maddness. He runs into Odin and that was another challenge for him. Do you think he was playing when he throw that punch at Odin or blasted him? That the whole time he was there eat dirt and not atleast get in a good shot?
Point is, Thanos would do better against Odin this time around.. and this seems like an easy win for team one imo. Tyrant is slightly more powerful than Odin imo and that is a good fight. In the end though team one is too much.
Nobody here is more powerful than Odin. There isn't anything here to say any of them is more powerful.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Even with his on panel feat, how can you say he's more powerful than Odin? Really? He couldn't down any of them in one-shot. What he's done is impressive, but not that impressive compared to Odin. Him being more powerful than heralds mean squat nothing since Thanos is exponentially more powerful than heralds and he couldn't even budge Odin. What herald has even given Thanos a fight in the slightest?LOL. What? He blasted Surfer out of the way then turned his attention towards then others and Surfer flew right back to the fight. How's that a one-shot? Knocking an oppoent back isn't one-shotting if they get up moments later and attack you. I guess Odin one-shotted Thanos too huh seeing as Odin backhanded him. But seeing as there are no other opponent in the battle so Odin's focus is still on Thanos after he gets up, I guess you're that's not a one-shot huh?
Thanos punched Odin to no affect and got back handed with EASE. A poisoned Odin k.o.ed Ulik in one shot with EASE. Let's see Thor do that.
How does any of this prove he's greater than Odin in power? A weakened Odin one-shot Annihilus, who Thor couldn't beat, out of Asgard. None of these people would a thing to Odin. Both Drax and Surfer were taken out of the fight in one shot each. Unlike Odin, Tyrant took several attacks to put them down.
The difference being Thanos knocked him around.
Oh, so the guy that had centuries to plan against Galactus is some how impressive? So he directly fought Galactus like he did Thanos? Lol. Galactus specifically coming into this knowing Tyrant had prepped for him so he tries to even things out by coming in replenished.
You do remember Thanos (after the power up in the End) needing shields to protect himself against Galactus and still got his butt kicked? That Thanos was more powerful than the one that stood up to Tyrant. Thanos and Tyrant got into a scuffle and Tyrant couldn't put him down while Galactus crushed his shields and made Thanos squeal.
Last thing, Odin has tapped into Infinity before. That trumps Tyrant's non-fight with Galactus.
Lol. Because Odin was prepping against Galactus right? Galactus talks b.s. about a lot of people. Remember what happened to Galactus in Godhunter when Beta Ray Bill was destroying all the planets Galactus was going to eat? Galactus was a shriveling by that point and feared his own death. Tyrant without prep for an opponent couldn't put Thanos down.
He left because he got what he wanted. He was their to prove himself and he did. He stood up to Tyrant. That was the whole point. Tyrant had his chance and failed. He didn't leave because he's afraid of death, the guy welcomes death.
He never backed down to Tyrant at all. He even goaded Tyrant who was shocked at what he thought was insanity. Thanos wanted a fight to prove himself and did - then left.
He fought Odin because he knew Odin angry. Him not wanting to K.O. Odin is meaningless since he never moved Odin once. Needing Odin's help doesn't mean he'll just let Odin beat him down. Why do you think he and Surfer attacked Odin. He blasted Odin several times and did nothing. You think he was just trying to tickle him? The sad thing is he couldn't do a thing to him at all even though he tried. He ran into Thor and was kicking him around with every punch thrown. He runs into Odin and couldn't even move him. His block which he resorted to hold Thor failed against Odin. His restraint attempt failed horribly against Odin.
But I according to you, Thanos is one to eat dirt and take it right? It's not about whether or not he wanted to K.O. Odin. He looked for a challenge there as well. Why do you think he wanted to help Thor? It was a challenge for him too. To solve warrior maddness. He runs into Odin and that was another challenge for him. Do you think he was playing when he throw that punch at Odin or blasted him? That the whole time he was there eat dirt and not atleast get in a good shot?
Nobody here is more powerful than Odin. There isn't anything here to say any of them is more powerful.
You continue to talk about stuff I didn't up, and what's worse, state facts that aren't true.
1. You claim Odin fights more powerful people than Tyrant… Interesting… please then name the people Odin has beat that are above Galactus. You see the problem is there aren't any. So, your point about foes and who has higher feats is easily shown to be false. Tyrant has fought stronger people, and not just fought, but out fought said stronger people.
2. You claim Thanos didn't back down, and won't concede the point that he admitted he would've died. Did you read the arc? Thanos was surprised he was still alive after a Tyrant assault… on the groud he stays… I still live? (he is surprised).. Tyrant says that is something he will quickly remedy…. Thanos then agrees with that assessment if he stuck around. Is there anythinng unclear about this point. Thanos was surprised he was still alive and agrees if he stuck around he would die. It's plain as day and yet you're still in denial. Now compare that language with how he acted against Odin… There is a clear and obvious difference a 8th grader can see. So I'll ask you again… Did Thanos not seem to clearly fear dying and not wish to stay longer again Tyrant as compared to Odin. Very simple and very factual. I await your answer
3. You claim Tyrant prepped for Galactus for hundreds of years… this is nothing but your speculation. You have no clue how much he prepped and for how long. Furthermore, what is clear is that Galactus new of the coming battle and had time to prep for Tyrant. In fact, when Galactus feed on the specifically ripe planet.. that actually weakened Tyrant did it not? Did Galactus not back down from Tyrant and let him take his herald? These are all factual on panel statements and prove Galactus was very concerned with Tyrant. Are you normally concerned, prep and feed for somebody you feel isn't a threat? Nope. Galactus had good reason to fear Tyrant when we saw the battle play out didn't he?
4. So… did he or did he not one shot brb? Did he not dismiss Gladiator with an elbow in one shot after their eye beam confrontation? Did he not dismiss Gayn in one shot? Did he not deal with JOH, Terrax and Morg easily? He dealt with Surfer in one shot… fought others… surfer comes back and gets one shotted again. Yet you claim he didn't deal with heralds as easy… WTF.
5. Next you talk about how the source from which Odin draws his power is infinite LOL. Really? Come on man. Do I need to name you people far weaker than these who drawn on infinite power sources? In fact, Odin even praised Odin and said he draws on a dark source of power as infinite as his... Yet he got punked by Tyrant who therefore by your flawed theory was draw on an ever greater source or power. Unless of course we dismiss that train of thought...
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You continue to talk about stuff I didn't up, and what's worse, state facts that aren't true.1. You claim Odin fights more powerful people than Tyrant… Interesting… please then name the people Odin has beat that are above Galactus. You see the problem is there aren't any. So, your point about foes and who has higher feats is easily shown to be false. Tyrant has fought stronger people, and not just fought, but out fought said stronger people.
What? So Tyrant defeated Galactus straight without prep? He was getting knocked around by Thanos and take several shots to put Surfer down permanent. What other people are you talking about? Who are these stronger people? Gladiator who kneeled before Odin when they met? Beta Ray Bill who's weapon and status was given to him by Odin?
He fought and defeated his darkside which was tapping into Eternity's opposite Infinity.
2. You claim Thanos didn't back down, and won't concede the point that he admitted he would've died. Did you read the arc? Thanos was surprised he was still alive after a Tyrant assault… on the groud he stays… I still live? (he is surprised).. Tyrant says that is something he will quickly remedy…. Thanos then agrees with that assessment if he stuck around. Is there anythinng unclear about this point. Thanos was surprised he was still alive and agrees if he stuck around he would die. It's plain as day and yet you're still in denial. Now compare that language with how he acted against Odin… There is a clear and obvious difference a 8th grader can see. So I'll ask you again… Did Thanos not seem to clearly fear dying and not wish to stay longer again Tyrant as compared to Odin. Very simple and very factual. I await your answer
Tyrant was surprise Thanos was alive. Tyrant was also surprise Thanos seeked a fight with him. He's given the chance Tyrant would correct it but further struggles is pointless.
Thanos:"I have withstood you, and obtained that which i sought."
Tyrant: "You dare pilfer from Tyrant."
Thanos: "I do."
He was mocking Tyrant who had a chance to put him down and couldn't. Tyrant even gets knocked about. Where does it say he's afraid of Tyrant? He sought a fight and Tyrant couldn't put him down & Tyrant was shocked that he was alive.
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3. You claim Tyrant prepped for Galactus for hundreds of years… this is nothing but your speculation. You have no clue how much he prepped and for how long. Furthermore, what is clear is that Galactus new of the coming battle and had time to prep for Tyrant. In fact, when Galactus feed on the specifically ripe planet.. that actually weakened Tyrant did it not? Did Galactus not back down from Tyrant and let him take his herald? These are all factual on panel statements and prove Galactus was very concerned with Tyrant. Are you normally concerned, prep and feed for somebody you feel isn't a threat? Nope. Galactus had good reason to fear Tyrant when we saw the battle play out didn't he?
Tyrant had been prepping from every since he was defeated and depowered. How is this a speculation? Tyrant didn't beat him in a straight battle. If you want to bring up high end things like this, Odin tapped into an abstract and was wrecking the cosmos.
4. So… did he or did he not one shot brb? Did he not dismiss Gladiator with an elbow in one shot after their eye beam confrontation? Did he not dismiss Gayn in one shot? Did he not deal with JOH, Terrax and Morg easily? He dealt with Surfer in one shot… fought others… surfer comes back and gets one shotted again. Yet you claim he didn't deal with heralds as easy… WTF.
Lol. It took him several shots to put each of them down. He took like three shots to put Surfer down. He took two against Gladiator. He downed Beta Ray in one. Odin put down the strongest herald in one-shot.
5. Next you talk about how the source from which Odin draws his power is infinite LOL. Really? Come on man. Do I need to name you people far weaker than these who drawn on infinite power sources? In fact, Odin even praised Odin and said he draws on a dark source of power as infinite as his... Yet he got punked by Tyrant who therefore by your flawed theory was draw on an ever greater source or power. Unless of course we dismiss that train of thought...
Lol. Where did I say his draw of power is infinite? I said he drew power from Infinity herself. You do know Infinity right? And this isn't one of those I draw power from space and therefore I'm tapping into Infinity. He drew directly from the abstract according to Quasar.
As for Thanos, he couldn't even move Odin. But Tyrant, didn't he punch him across the face? Yup.
Thanos failing to do a thing against Odin. Helping? So helping means letting the other guy make you eat dirt?
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Originally posted by Black bolt zBeating on Galactus is more impressive than wrecking a galaxy. Odin was also bested by ants while we only saw Tyrant go down twice, once to Galactus and once to the un.
Yes.Odin has busted galaxies while DP tyrants best feats are beating on galactus while controllign galactus tech which has been shown to be able to subdue watchers.
