White Canary vs Elektra

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i factor in his agility acrobatics not like he is going to stand his ground and fight them in a stand still style.. that type of fighting i leave it to logan.

but yeah.. i do see dick making them work hard for it since i have never seen canary or huntress handle the same multiple lvl of opponents that dick has.

i am talking armies.

sneer

did this mofo really just compare schooling one of the best fighters on Earth + a meta + another really good fighter... to beating some random fodder?

A) huntress is not one of the best fighters on earth B) neither is Canary regardless of her newer training..

might as well say that about Tim since he has bn trained by bruce,dick and yes even shiva plus cass

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
A) huntress is not one of the best fighters on earth B) neither is Canary regardless of her newer training..

might as well say that about Tim since he has bn trained by bruce,dick and yes even shiva plus cass

One of the best fighters on Earth... that's Canary!
A meta... Hawk
Another really good fighter... Huntress.

the new chick, schooled them all, effortlessly.

the new chick could have bn cass and that means anyone that can stalemate cass or come close by giving her a fight solo has just a good a chance doing the same to the ladies.. hence someone like dick and bats puts the ladies and their fighting abilities in perspective

Dick and Bruce are two of the greatest fighters on Earth. No one is saying the new Canary is better than them, but the fact that you brought Dick and Bruce up as examples should be clue enough to how good WC is.

Originally posted by Q99
I'm pretty sure White Canary is doing better against BC+Huntress than Deathstroke did... he got an eye poked out last time that happened.

IMO, Slade did better. He also had Creote and Lady Blackhawk to deal with, and Slade's being pretty lenient the ladies, which is usually what makes his encounters with any street-level MA's not a complete stomp in his favor.

i am putting the ladies fighting skill in perspective which is not that impressive and once again ppl are seriously over estimating the fighting skills of guys like bats, cass and dick when it comes to the real cream of the crop fighters who use their meta abilities on average in their fights..

*cough* silent scream*cough* chi amping*cough* mind reading anticipation..*cough* illusion casting 😗

plus not hampered by killing and uses sais seriously puts it all in perspective and why some one will win.

Originally posted by namorsubby
IMO, Slade did better. He also had Creote and Lady Blackhawk to deal with,

Though White Canary had Hawk to deal with.

Zinda was as much a liability as not, not being a martial artist like the others.

if i had to place the ladies in a MA bracket like marvels's i put BC and huntress barely at a five and four out of the seven.

huntress would be a 4 while black canary would be a 5 and even then they wouldnt be the best of their class who fight well above the lvl 6 and guys in the lvl 7 range..

these ladies would be getting their @$$ handed to them by guys like shang and cat without them even amping.

in the DCU i would barely rate them at a 7 from the lvl 12 rating system iirc the system correctly 😖hifty:

these ladies would be struggling and barely beating if not lose to the likes of Black panthers mia doras i think that is their name..

Originally posted by Q99
Though White Canary had Hawk to deal with.

Zinda was as much a liability as not, not being a martial artist like the others.

White Canary was fighting them one on two for some time before Hawk came into the picture. Slade simply gave them a slap on the wrist every time they got in the way, while having to deal with multiple distractions(other combatants), which lead to his eventual defeat.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
if i had to place the ladies in a MA bracket like marvels's i put BC and huntress barely at a five and four out of the seven.

huntress would be a 4 while black canary would be a 5 and even then they wouldnt be the best of their class who fight well above the lvl 6 and guys in the lvl 7 range..

these ladies would be getting their @$$ handed to them by guys like shang and cat without them even amping.

in the DCU i would barely rate them at a 7 from the lvl 12 rating system iirc the system correctly 😖hifty:

these ladies would be struggling and barely beating if not lose to the likes of Black panthers mia doras i think that is their name..

White Canary is a new character(probably) and her intro showing against BC and Helena may be somewhat hyped. As she continues being shown her rep may decline some due to lower showings as with many characters, but one thing's for sure:

If her showing with BC and Huntress is all that we consider when judging this match, she definitely takes it.

can she counter a mind attack silent scream ko? can she see past illusions? can she increase her speed to meta lvls to compensate for the illusions and speed amping? can she block her mind so not to lose fighting advantage?

if the answer is no i dont see her winning..

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
if i had to place the ladies in a MA bracket like marvels's i put BC and huntress barely at a five and four out of the seven.

huntress would be a 4 while black canary would be a 5 and even then they wouldnt be the best of their class who fight well above the lvl 6 and guys in the lvl 7 range..

You're putting Huntress and Canary too close. BC is significantly better than her.

Shiva's acknowledged her as one of the top fighters in the world, and Shiva is not prone to hyperbole.

Like someone else said, probably not top 5, but almost certainly top 10.

My mistake, i thought the OP said this was a h2h fight. Anyhow, all of that is unknown, that's why it's indeterminable.

you got:

bats
cass
shiva
dick grayson
richard dragon
bronze tiger

off top of my head i have 6 who are easily superior to canary i am sure some of you can find 4 more who are also better then her and deserve to be in the top ten spot b4 giving the spot to black canary

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
can she counter a mind attack silent scream ko? can she see past illusions? can she increase her speed to meta lvls to compensate for the illusions and speed amping? can she block her mind so lot to lose fighting advantage?

if the answer is no i dont see her winning..

1. why would it matter if she can counter a mind attack by screaming in an h2h match?

2. again, why does the fact that she can't see past illusions matter at all?

3. Elektra cannot increase her speed to meta levels.

4. Do you mean can she focus on fighting? or does "block her mind" imply some deep, spiritual, martial artist chi thing?

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Originally posted by Wild Shadow
you got:

bats
cass
shiva
dick grayson
richard dragon
bronze tiger

off top of my head i have 6 who are easily superior to canary i am sure some of you can find 4 more who are also better then her and deserve to be in the top ten spot b4 giving the spot to black canary

the OP never stated this was purely h2h

Originally posted by Prep-Man
This would seem like a good match. White Canary was a beast shown last issue. Who wins?

answer to 3) elektra has used her speed to react to a bullet aimed at her heart and has used illusion or TP to throw off her opponents in combat giving the blur fast movement effect when she was not moving and was attacking from a completely different direction hence a since of superspeed to compensate for her own speed and illusions would be a requirement

Originally posted by namorsubby
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dick grayson is certainly not Canary's superior. I don't even see why you'd lump him in this group......he's completely out of place.

Yea, he's a fair step down than the other Bats. That is, he's great as a hero and one of the best acrobats on Earth thus giving him great evasion, but he's never be touted as having potential to be one of the best in the world in HtH like Tim or Damien, nor does he have the showings of Bruce and Cass.

DC did a pretty good job during the Nightwing years of never really giving him martial arts fights to pin down his abilities.