Originally posted by §P0oONY
On matters regarding the law... Yeah, they do...
Not really. This shit is common law in many different municaplities (find me one municipality in the US where it is okay to interfere with a lawful arrest) with the legality ending up being decided upon by a jury. And who would the jury be? Oh, that's right, people like us.
This is a discussion board where people discuss things. That would include whether a cop was within both moral or legal rights to throw a punch.
Originally posted by §P0oONY
I bet both parties involved would rather the incident had never happened... If only to stop the inane chatter that is spewing out all of your keyboards.
OMG! 😆
Don't cut yourself over this, man. It's not worth it.
Originally posted by inimalist
no, it didn'tat best, it was a crap shoot over how involved her friends would get after hitting her, a realistic possibility being a meele between an officer and a number of teens.
Even then however, the punch and the ineffective shoving he carried on with with the girl escalated, predictably, the situation. There was not one thing that he did which made the situation better.
No what I said. 🙁
"it did help his situation. He still struggled with the original criminal, though. The other stayed pretty far back, after that."
What was his goal: to get the fatass off of him and get to her to stop interfering. What happened? Just that. So why do you think it didn't work when: he finally was able to make the arrest on the original perp an the crowd did not attack.
For me, it's very binary: either it got the lady off of him or it didn't.
Which one was it?
How old was the girl, 15 I think someone said?
Pretty brave of him, hitting a teenager and all that.
I mean, his feelings could have been severly hurt from that "**** you", and everyone knows that its illegal for a cop to have his feelings hurt.
Just imagine what would of happened if he hadn't arrested her! She would of continued on as normal in her day and he wouldn't of had to bother with all this.
My word, how horrible that all would of been! Thank you officer for picking on teenagers who were jaywalking, the streets are a lot safer now!!!
Originally posted by dadudemon
No what I said. 🙁"it did help his situation. He still struggled with the original criminal, though. The other stayed pretty far back, after that."
What was his goal: to get the fatass off of him and get to her to stop interfering. What happened? Just that. So why do you think it didn't work when: he finally was able to make the arrest on the original perp an the crowd did not attack.
For me, it's very binary: either it got the lady off of him or it didn't.
Which one was it?
that would be awesome if "get the girl off of him" is the standard we use, but that is absurd. the police officer's job in that situation, from the onset when he decided to give the ticket, was to control the situation. in fact, the sole reason we as citizens give police the right to initiate the use of force is so that they are able to control situations and prevent the type of escalation we see here. his actions took the conflict from a beligerant teen to the brink of a street fight with a group of individuals.
it began with his failure to do what was necessary to give the ticket, then to controling the group, and finally to not dealing with the second girl in an effective manner. what you deem was a logical way to get the girl off of him ultimately lost him any control he might have had, as you can see in the video, it is individuals in the crowd who hold eachother back and talk down the first girl, not the officer, who even at this time is still unable to physically control the first girl.
sure, we should have some sympathy for the split second decisions that police make, but here the officer clearly showed no ability to do the most rudimentary aspect of his job: control a situation. if there was maybe excessive force used to subdue the girl and contain everything, maybe it could be debateable. however, given how all of the officer's actions escalated rather than controlled the scenario, there is really no excuse.
Originally posted by Liberator
How old was the girl, 15 I think someone said?Pretty brave of him, hitting a teenager and all that.
I mean, his feelings could have been severly hurt from that "**** you", and everyone knows that its illegal for a cop to have his feelings hurt.Just imagine what would of happened if he hadn't arrested her! She would of continued on as normal in her day and he wouldn't of had to bother with all this.
My word, how horrible that all would of been! Thank you officer for picking on teenagers who were jaywalking, the streets are a lot safer now!!!
Shes 17
Originally posted by inimalist
that would be awesome if "get the girl off of him" is the standard we use, but that is absurd.
No it's not. You can't make a blanket statement about a specific situation like this.
And, if there is another situation where a woman is trying to interfere with an arrest, you better damn well believe the first priroity is to "get the girl off of him". What's he supposed to do, take it like a champ? Now THAT'S absurd.
Your next two paragraphs are saying similar things that I've already said...so I'll skip to the bottom.
Originally posted by inimalist
sure, we should have some sympathy for the split second decisions that police make, but here the officer clearly showed no ability to do the most rudimentary aspect of his job: control a situation. if there was maybe excessive force used to subdue the girl and contain everything, maybe it could be debateable. however, given how all of the officer's actions escalated rather than controlled the scenario, there is really no excuse.
We need to get something straight, here: the cop did NOT escalate the situation. He de-escalated it. Also, it was NOT the officer's actions that escalated the situation: it was the non-compliant individual and the interfering friend. The crowd just encouraged their belligerent behavior and they were part of the escalation.
Originally posted by Liberator
How old was the girl, 15 I think someone said?Pretty brave of him, hitting a teenager and all that.
I mean, his feelings could have been severly hurt from that "**** you", and everyone knows that its illegal for a cop to have his feelings hurt.Just imagine what would of happened if he hadn't arrested her! She would of continued on as normal in her day and he wouldn't of had to bother with all this.
My word, how horrible that all would of been! Thank you officer for picking on teenagers who were jaywalking, the streets are a lot safer now!!!
Right, cause jaywalking doesn't cause any harm and the law is there to just be annoying.
http://www.ktnv.com/Global/story.asp?s=6267949
http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/1995/04/04-13-95tdc/04-13-95dnews-5.asp
Guess what? Jaywalking is dangerous for both the individual walking and the drivers.
We should enforce the law like they do in Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion.
*trespasses on private property*
Legion Guard: "Stop! You've violated the law. Pay the court a fine or serve your sentence. Your stolen goods are now forfeit." 😠
*resist arrest*
Legion Guard: "Then pay with your blood!"
*gets stabbed and dies*
Legion Guard: "...My feet are killing me..."
😆
Originally posted by LLLLLink
We should enforce the law like they do in Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion.*trespasses on private property*
Legion Guard: "Stop! You've violated the law. Pay the court a fine or serve your sentence. Your stolen goods are now forfeit." 😠
*resist arrest*
Legion Guard: "Then pay with your blood!"
*gets stabbed and dies*
Legion Guard: "...My feet are killing me..."😆
Or this:
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Or this:
I approve this video response. 👆
Hillary Clinton would say that this movie is what influences cops to beat the criminals. 😆
Originally posted by LiberatorWatch the vid. She resisted and assaulted him.
And a fantastic job he did enforcing tha law! I mean he could of just stopped her and spoke to her about it nicely, but that wouldn't be protecting the peace, how are we going to protect the streets from gangs of jaywalkers if we dont kick the piss out of them first!
Originally posted by Liberator
And a fantastic job he did enforcing tha law! I mean he could of just stopped her and spoke to her about it nicely, but that wouldn't be protecting the peace, how are we going to protect the streets from gangs of jaywalkers if we dont kick the piss out of them first!
He tried that first. Even if they were all brutal monsters cops know that everything they do will get criticized.
No. He should have grabbed her by one arm, Irish whipped her back, then pulled her toward him and clotheslined the shit out of her.
Would have been epic.
this is what is needed.